The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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I drove on the N4 yesterday. I see the etolls will be coming soon. No gantries yet just the etol signs are up.
 
Mila said:
I drove on the N4 yesterday. I see the etolls will be coming soon. No gantries yet just the etol signs are up.
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Yep it's coming to all the roads very soon.

The Gauteng government will be spending 10 billion rand of taxpayer money to upgrade the N14, just so that e-tolls can be placed on them afterwards.
 
Wyzak said:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/100064-truth-about-e-tolls-and-criminal-records-jpsa.html
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The JPSA said that the process that will have to be followed by Sanral is as follows:

Issue final demands and deliver them by registered mail;
If ignored, gather each count into a summons in terms of Section 54 of the Criminal Procedure Act (Act 51 of 1977) for each individual;
Get court dates for each of the individual summonses;
Have the Sheriff, a traffic officer or a policeman serve summonses on individuals;
Have the matter heard in a competent and unbiased criminal Court.
“Only if an individual pays an admission of guilt fine or is found guilty in court will they get a criminal record,” the JPSA said.
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Regarding this snippet, where exactly does the option to pay an admission of guilt fine fit in? I'm just trying to gauge till where I can stretch this before risking a criminal record. Is the “final demands” letter akin to a last invoice before they act?

(as mentioned previously, a criminal record will make keeping my current job quite difficult, so I’m trying to avoid that)
 
CR34M3 said:
Regarding this snippet, where exactly does the option to pay an admission of guilt fine fit in? I'm just trying to gauge till where I can stretch this before risking a criminal record. Is the “final demands” letter akin to a last invoice before they act?

(as mentioned previously, a criminal record will make keeping my current job quite difficult, so I’m trying to avoid that)
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There was an article last week about somebody who took them to court over the automatic criminal record for paying an admission of guilt-fine and the court ruled in his favour. This should set a precedent which will nullify anything that SANRAL claims to the contrary.
 
Wyzak said:
There was an article last week about somebody who took them to court over the automatic criminal record for paying an admission of guilt-fine and the court ruled in his favour. This should set a precedent which will nullify anything that SANRAL claims to the contrary.
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http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/driver-s-criminal-record-struck-out-1.1670981

Pinetown - In a precedent-setting move, a KwaZulu-Natal magistrate struck out a mandatory criminal record provision on an admission-of-guilt fine on Thursday after an advocate challenged him on the constitutionality of his speeding fine.

Criminal advocate JP van der Veen believed he had set a precedent for other motorists who had been made to sign admission-of-guilt fine annexures. These tell motorists they will receive a criminal record, as if they have been convicted and sentenced by a magistrate, when they pay the fine and sign the form.
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Thanks for the info.

Ok, but still (assuming SANRAL starts with the whole prosecution process) till where can one drag it out without having to pay more for lawyers than the e-toll bill is worth?
 
CR34M3 said:
Thanks for the info.

Ok, but still (assuming SANRAL starts with the whole prosecution process) till where can one drag it out without having to pay more for lawyers than the e-toll bill is worth?
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Impossible to say at the moment, they haven't taken anyone to court yet and I haven't even heard of a single summons being issued yet. Will have to wait for the first few cases to go the yards before we will know.
 
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Impossible to say at the moment, they haven't taken anyone to court yet and I haven't even heard of a single summons being issued yet. Will have to wait for the first few cases to go the yards before we will know.
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I'm just quite uninformed when it comes to criminal proceedings, so I'm trying to learn.
As a comparison; a speeding fine in Ekhuruleni (that you ignore) will (theoretically) follow the same kind of procedure (Criminal not AARTO), right?
 
CR34M3 said:
I'm just quite uninformed when it comes to criminal proceedings, so I'm trying to learn.
As a comparison; a speeding fine in Ekhuruleni (that you ignore) will (theoretically) follow the same kind of procedure (Criminal not AARTO), right?
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I suppose so theoretically yes, the problem with 99% of those cases is that they don't follow the proper procedures themselves and they therefore make it impossible for a judge to rule on it in good faith.
 
Wyzak said:
I suppose so theoretically yes, the problem with 99% of those cases is that they don't follow the proper procedures themselves and they therefore make it impossible for a judge to rule on it in good faith.
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Guess we'll just wait and see then. Whenever something start happening I'll just check proper procedure is being followed. :D
 
creeper said:
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/sanrals-bond-exile-ends

I want a company that issue bonds, that are government guaranteed.

Anyone go to the investor presentation?
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...seeking to rebuild finances as cash from the electronic tolls around Johannesburg and Pretoria comes in at almost twice the forecast pace, according to Transport Minister Dipuo Peters
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I think what she really means is that VPC invoicing is twice the forecast pace as nobody is coughing up. Of course, as anyone in business knows, invoicing is not the same as cash coming in. Eventually, Dippy Peters and SATANRAL will figure this out when they have an enormous debtors book but no cash to show for it.
 
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I think what she really means is that VPC invoicing is twice the forecast pace as nobody is coughing up. Of course, as anyone in business knows, invoicing is not the same as cash coming in. Eventually, Dippy Peters and SATANRAL will figure this out when they have an enormous debtors book but no cash to show for it.
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as per usual, these monkeys can barely plan, never mind execute - they are assuming our "debt" will translate into payments - dream on.......
 
From vleisboek

e-TAGS EASILY CLONED

Earlier this week we given a demonstration on how easy it is to clone an e-Tag. Using a handheld device with an antenna we were able to walk past cars in a parking lot and read all the information contained on the e-tag. The data was then transferred from the device onto another e-tag, effectively creating an exact copy, a clone.

"Although the system uses a 'challenge and response' way to detect users it can be easily fooled into broadcasting e-tag ID's."

The crazy thing is that the tag reading device is readily available on the internet.

(Originally posted by Proudly e-tag free)
 
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