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Agreed, I'm already using the e-roads for free why would I start paying a cent?
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The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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Agreed, I'm already using the e-roads for free why would I start paying a cent?
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/ar...corruption-in-20-years-2015-01-28/rep_id:3182
To bring that amount into perspective it's enough to pay off the e-toll project 35 times, or more than once for every year that has passed. It is also more than double what is required to pay off the Eskom funding required for the new power stations...
To bring that amount into perspective it's enough to pay off the e-toll project 35 times, or more than once for every year that has passed. It is also more than double what is required to pay off the Eskom funding required for the new power stations...
Sinbad
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The majority of the country seem to fall for it, considering the election results.
igi
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I hate,hate ,hate the etrolls,I refuse to pay even 1cent
I drive to and from work 30min more to each direction just to avoid etrolls
did I mention that I hate,hate,hate them
ok tomorrow I will reveal how I really feel about them
I drive to and from work 30min more to each direction just to avoid etrolls
did I mention that I hate,hate,hate them
ok tomorrow I will reveal how I really feel about them
I hate,hate ,hate the etrolls,I refuse to pay even 1cent
I drive to and from work 30min more to each direction just to avoid etrolls
did I mention that I hate,hate,hate them
ok tomorrow I will reveal how I really feel about them
grow some balls and use the roads - most of us do without paying even 1c
grok
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Lowering the price & calling it a gift is rather like giving the one you raped a teddy bear for comfort after the fact :wtf:
Mila
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It used to take me 25 minutes going from PTA east to edenvale. Now it takes me 25 minutes to get onto the highway. It depends on what time you drive.
And they were suppose to upgrade the r21 more than 10 years ago. The money was available. The ANC just wanted to live like kings more or have soccer stadiums.. Who knows. . So f them. They had the money for the upgrade they didn't need etols. Etols is funding their corrupt cest pit.
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Sucks man!
I travel from Barbara (Edenvale) to Botha (Centurion) in mornings to work, then back to Edenvale in evening. I'm lucky in the sense I'm against traffic both times.
Before upgrade it would take me 50 minutes on a good day. If there was an accident it world take anywhere from 1 to 1 1/2 hours.
Now at leisurely pace, 35 to 40 minutes. The times when there was an accident that causes stand-still, 50 minutes or so. And this is anytime, even peak.
supersunbird
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Gantry positions mess up local traffic.
On the N1 north, how much has the queue at New Road offramp grown and the one at Olifantfontein lessened since e-tolling become active? A lot!
Compare the R25 offramp against Olifantsfontein offramp in the R21. So many take the R25 and then wait a long time to turn right onto M57 while they could easily have gotten off at Olifantsfontein and turned left onto M57 with no queue.
Problem in both instances are the gantries between these offramps.
On the N1 north, how much has the queue at New Road offramp grown and the one at Olifantfontein lessened since e-tolling become active? A lot!
Compare the R25 offramp against Olifantsfontein offramp in the R21. So many take the R25 and then wait a long time to turn right onto M57 while they could easily have gotten off at Olifantsfontein and turned left onto M57 with no queue.
Problem in both instances are the gantries between these offramps.
LazyLion
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DA CALLS FOR FUEL LEVY INSTEAD OF E-TOLLS
The Democratic Alliance on Wednesday called for a fuel levy to pay for roads, instead of e-tolls, during a protest outside Gauteng premier David Makhura's office.
"We do want to pay for them [the roads] by a dedicated, ring-fenced national fuel levy," the party's spokesman for roads and transport Neil Campbell said during a picket by about 100 DA supporters in Simmonds Street, central Johannesburg.
He asked who was getting rich from the e-tolls.
"We reject the e-tolls with the contempt they deserve."
He said because of apartheid-era spacial planning, the poor were paying the most for transport.
Makhura's suggestion of a hybrid system would increase in cost year after a year, he said.
DA provincial chairman Solly Msimanga compared the relationship between Gauteng's residents and the e-toll system to the relationship between a battered wife and her partner.
The abuse, by the government and its e-toll system, started slowly, but people would continue to accept it, even if it got worse.
He said the premier was not listening to what the province's people wanted.
"Instead of listening to us they're doing what the previous government did to us," he said.
"This is an unwanted way of collecting money for the roads."
The DA called for Makhura to hold a referendum on the system.
Source : Sapa /gf/th/lp
Date : 04 Mar 2015 12:00
The Democratic Alliance on Wednesday called for a fuel levy to pay for roads, instead of e-tolls, during a protest outside Gauteng premier David Makhura's office.
"We do want to pay for them [the roads] by a dedicated, ring-fenced national fuel levy," the party's spokesman for roads and transport Neil Campbell said during a picket by about 100 DA supporters in Simmonds Street, central Johannesburg.
He asked who was getting rich from the e-tolls.
"We reject the e-tolls with the contempt they deserve."
He said because of apartheid-era spacial planning, the poor were paying the most for transport.
Makhura's suggestion of a hybrid system would increase in cost year after a year, he said.
DA provincial chairman Solly Msimanga compared the relationship between Gauteng's residents and the e-toll system to the relationship between a battered wife and her partner.
The abuse, by the government and its e-toll system, started slowly, but people would continue to accept it, even if it got worse.
He said the premier was not listening to what the province's people wanted.
"Instead of listening to us they're doing what the previous government did to us," he said.
"This is an unwanted way of collecting money for the roads."
The DA called for Makhura to hold a referendum on the system.
Source : Sapa /gf/th/lp
Date : 04 Mar 2015 12:00
Fat load of good that that will do. If there was anybody in government with half a brain they would have used a portion of the 50c road accident fund fuel levy increase and used it to see what they could improve on the roads to prevent the accidents from happening in the first place.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
MAKHURA MUST TAKE PEOPLE'S SIDE: MOODEY
The DA on Wednesday called on premier David Makhura to stand up for the people of Gauteng by scrapping e-tolls.
"Do the honourable thing, stand up for your people... Get rid of e-tolls," Democratic Alliance provincial leader John Moodey said at a picket outside the premier's office in Simmonds Street, central Johannesburg.
The DA called on Makhura to hold a referendum on the system.
"The e-tolls are unjust... I will defy it."
He said the system had been imposed on the province's residents and it was the DA's duty to oppose it.
Makhura had broken a promise he had made in September last year to listen to the people's needs, he argued.
"The premier and the ANC insist that the e-tolls are here to stay."
Moodey called on Makhura to explain how the costing per kilometre for the e-tolls had been worked out, and where the money was being used.
"Whose bank accounts are being feathered? Who is stealing money from our people?"
The debt for upgrades to Gauteng's roads could have been covered by the R30 billion that disappeared out of the government's coffers each year, he said.
He pointed out there was a threat that motorists could be criminally charged for not paying e-tolls.
"Ons sal nie betaal nie, ons sal tronk toe gaan as dit nodig is (We won't pay, we will go to jail if needs be)," he said.
After Moodey's address, the over 100 DA supporters chanted: "We will not pay", before singing and dancing down Simmonds Street.
Source : Sapa /gf/th/lp
Date : 04 Mar 2015 12:29
The DA on Wednesday called on premier David Makhura to stand up for the people of Gauteng by scrapping e-tolls.
"Do the honourable thing, stand up for your people... Get rid of e-tolls," Democratic Alliance provincial leader John Moodey said at a picket outside the premier's office in Simmonds Street, central Johannesburg.
The DA called on Makhura to hold a referendum on the system.
"The e-tolls are unjust... I will defy it."
He said the system had been imposed on the province's residents and it was the DA's duty to oppose it.
Makhura had broken a promise he had made in September last year to listen to the people's needs, he argued.
"The premier and the ANC insist that the e-tolls are here to stay."
Moodey called on Makhura to explain how the costing per kilometre for the e-tolls had been worked out, and where the money was being used.
"Whose bank accounts are being feathered? Who is stealing money from our people?"
The debt for upgrades to Gauteng's roads could have been covered by the R30 billion that disappeared out of the government's coffers each year, he said.
He pointed out there was a threat that motorists could be criminally charged for not paying e-tolls.
"Ons sal nie betaal nie, ons sal tronk toe gaan as dit nodig is (We won't pay, we will go to jail if needs be)," he said.
After Moodey's address, the over 100 DA supporters chanted: "We will not pay", before singing and dancing down Simmonds Street.
Source : Sapa /gf/th/lp
Date : 04 Mar 2015 12:29
He was probably ordered to break the promise by His Royal Pain King Jacob Zooomer
http://ewn.co.za/2015/03/18/Sanral-investigates-fraud-allegations-on-Nazir-Allis-statement
What else has been forged Alli?
What else has been forged Alli?
Time to check his qualifications, if he has any.
A serious issue here for SANRAL. I hope some heads will roll.
On a side note, does anyone know that current stats of compliance? It must be in the low 40s by now? I hardly see e-tags on windscreens these days.
On a side note, does anyone know that current stats of compliance? It must be in the low 40s by now? I hardly see e-tags on windscreens these days.
grok
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Unfortunately heads simply does not roll in the new South Africa..
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