The Honda Civic Type R Thread

DRIVEN: Honda Civic Type R

PORT SHEPSTONE, KwaZulu-Natal – By far my favourite technical enhancement highlighted at the local launch of the fifth-generation Honda Civic Type R is the news that the car’s fuel tank has been shifted to fit below the rear passenger bench, subsequently allowing the driver’s seat to be mounted 50 mm lower within the cabin compared with the previous model. Certainly, it’s an alteration that also offers improved weight distribution, front to rear, but more importantly for anyone taller than 180 cm, it means we can now actually fit behind the steering wheel without our heads touching the roof-lining. And that’s good news, because the newest, fastest version of the legendary Type R to date is definitely a car you want to spend a lot of time in.

Developed alongside the altogether tamer current Civic hatch derivatives with which it shares Honda’s new Global Compact platform, the new Type R is longer and lower than the short-lived FK2 model it replaces, while at the same time it is marginally lighter (16 kg) and 38% stiffer than the previous car. This, together with a stretched wheelbase (up 106 mm) and wider tracks, front and rear, speak to an altogether sharper package.

And if the underpinnings of the new Type R don’t properly convey a newfound sense of sharpness, then surely the go-faster exterior cladding on the fastest (from-the-factory) Civic to date leaves little doubt. Developed with the Nürburgring Nordschleife lap record firmly in mind, there’s certainly no missing the latest red-badged Honda in traffic. From chiselled wheelarches and punctured spoilers and diffusers to the “vortex-generating” horns that adorn the top of the rear window and that purposeful-looking wing, it’s safe to say that new Civic Type R won’t suit everyone’s tastes – but that’s exactly why I like it. Make no mistake, I hope a FK8 Type R never arrives outside my house expecting to collect my daughter, but I do appreciate the fact that Honda still has a department dedicated to creating cars like this that exude such a strong sense of character and anti-establishment brashness.

The same goes for the interior. If you don’t want bright red (though impressively comfortable) full bucket seats, then the Type R simply isn’t for you. Similarly, the red highlights and fake carbon trim scattered throughout the cabin, together with a beautifully crafted aluminium gear knob and matching pedals, won’t please everyone, but they’re nevertheless standard fitment and neatly complement the rest of this race-ready package.

One welcome concession, though, is a third driving mode aimed as offering a somewhat more refined, less jarring, almost comfortable set-up that makes the new car that much more usable in everyday conditions compared with the outgoing model. Here the adaptive dampers offer greater overall compliance, while the (variable) steering weighting, throttle sensitivity and engine mapping align towards delivering an altogether less workmanlike driving experience. Not to be confused for having gone soft, however, it’s up to the driver to select this more forgiving setting once the car is started; the default setup at start-up being the “let’s-get-on-with-it” sport mode.

There’s one more concession that’s been made to models sold outside of Europe and it’s to do with the power output delivered by the (FK2-shared) turbocharged 2,0-litre engine fitted to the new Type R. Where European-based cars enjoy the full benefits of a revised exhaust system that frees up an additional 7 kW compared with the unit fitted to the outgoing Type R, the absence of 98 octane fuel in our market means the car’s full 235 kW potential can not be reached, instead power remains 228 kW as offered by the previous car. It’s not all bad news, however, as the new car still makes the most of its revised throttle mapping, shorter final drive and new single-mass flywheel (and 1 380 kg mass) to feel anything but slow. Honda claims a 0-100 km/h time of 5,8 seconds on the local, detuned version of the new Type R (we recorded a best time of 6,0 seconds in the FK2 Type R).

While the default sport mode firms up the dampers and steering weighting accordingly, it also heightens the sensitivity of the throttle pedal and engages the brilliant workings of a rev-matching downshift system aimed at taking away the “chore” of heal-toe work while attacking a tight set of corners. Dialling in +R mode at the start of my second lap of Dezzi Raceway, it’s immediately obvious that this most hardcore setting was developed specifically with track work in mind. If the sport mode damper setting is just about forgiving enough for everyday use, +R mode firms things to the point where every piece of surface patchwork can be felt through both the steering wheel and the massive seat cushion. That said, on smooth surfaces as offered at Dezzi, this setting harnesses all of the under-the-skin goodness that’s been built into the new Type R.

Here, the new fully independent rear suspension delivers a welcome level of balance and mid-corner poise, while a brilliantly sorted front end (including mechanical limited-slip differential) makes the best use of the revised MacPherson strut arrangement featuring Honda’s “dual-axis” that places the wheel carrier on a dedicated knuckle so as to close the distance between the wheel hub and the turning strut – thus minimising torque steer. In the new Type R, this not only helps with straight line acceleration, but also lets you get the power down that much sooner when exiting a tight corner.

While the still-brilliant previous-generation Civic Type R was offered locally for only two years, its existence delivered the perfect prequel to the more polished, more useable, and ultimately sharper new model. Yes, the styling is divisive and, yes, similar to Subaru Impreza STIs of old, there’s likely to be one buzzing in your rearview mirror even on your morning commute, but in a world that’s increasingly taking itself too seriously cars like the Civic Type R serve to remind us that there’s still a little exuberant, slightly over-the-top fun to be had.

That said, I love the fact that the driver of the altogether more sophisticated Golf R wouldn’t look twice at the new Civic Type R and that an owner of this particular Honda considers the Volkswagen dull by comparison.

Still, there’s very much a place in the motoring world for cars like the Honda Civic Type R. And the newest one not only happens to be the best example yet, but it’d already also be my choice for hot hatch of the year. Your move, Renault…

Fast facts

Model: Honda Civic Type R
Price: R627 900
Engine: 2,0-litre, turbocharged
Power: 228 kW
Torque: 400 N.m
0-100 km/h: 5,8 seconds
Top Speed: 272 km/h
Fuel Consumption: 8,4 L/100 km
Transmission: 6-spd manual
5 year/90 000 km service plan

http://www.carmag.co.za/driving_impression/driven-honda-civic-type-r-2/

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R630k for a freaking civic that looks like it was designed by a 5 year old with ADHD and a Subaru fetish

No man.
 
R630k for a freaking civic that looks like it was designed by a 5 year old with ADHD and a Subaru fetish

No man.

Compared to R640k for a Golf?
Or R699k for a Focus?
Hows about R720k for an Impreza?

All these prices are crazy. Which in turn I guess means that none of them are.
 
Honda Civic Type-R (2018) Launch Review

Honda South Africa has launched its all-new Civic Type R at the Dezzi Raceway in Durban. We attended the launch and sampled the fire-breathing newcomer both on track and public roads in the vicinity. Is the Type R as good as hype suggests, or should you look elsewhere for your hot hatch thrills? Let's find out.

Honda South Africa used to be synonymous with sporty, fun-to-drive compact sedan and hatchbacks, but the brand is much more buttoned-up these days. It's easy to understand why – the performance segment is but a tiny part of the market and there's much more potential for volume sales in the entry-level budget cars and family SUVs ( Honda launched the family-friendly BR-V and CR-V in 2017, for example). There's also been a new Civic launch, which saw the debut of the marque's first turbocharged motor, however, the only thing sporty about the sedan was the Sport badge slapped on its rear. As for the previous Honda Civic Type R, it offered a whirlwind drive on the track, but while we were enthralled with its circuit-cutting prowess, commuting in one was an uncomfortable affair; the ride quality was just too harsh.

The timing is perfect then, for the all-new Honda Civic Type R to make an entrance. The hot hatchback market has seen some new arrivals and 2018 looks set to be a cracking year for this segment. In South Africa, the Honda Civic Type R has landed first, while an all-new Renault Megane RS is due in the next few months. Frustratingly, the Hyundai i30 N is still not confirmed for SA and overseas reports suggest that the Korean firm has produced a winner. The Volkswagen Golf GTI range should be expanded with a Performance Pack derivative at some point in 2018, which plugs the gap nicely between the standard car and potent all-wheel-drive R model.

To be fair, the Honda Civic Type R has always been a left-field choice in the hot hatch market. After repeatedly shunning turbocharged motors in favour of high-revving naturally-aspirated screamers, the previous generation Type R debuted with a rapid 2.0-litre turbopetrol motor under its bonnet. It was just a pity that even a short drive from home to the fast-food drive-through tended to be a white-knuckled affair...

2018 Honda Civic Type R: What's changed?

2018 will see a proper hot hatch battle take place as new models are launched. In SA, Honda's Civic Type R is out the blocks first.

A lot, actually. Just look at it. With its assortment of wings, spoilers and go-faster parts, the Type R is outrageously wild. Few cars are as head-turning and polarising. Some will adore the Honda's looks, while a mature audience will detest its Fast and the Furious image. We get that hot hatches have to be all-rounders, but this has meant that some have become a bit soft. Younger buyers are image conscious and want to show that they've bought the car of their dreams. On looks alone, and in the right colour (Championship White, please), the Type R won't look out of place as a poster on a teenager's bedroom wall. Our favourite bit has to be three pipe exhaust setup. It's not just for show: thanks to clever "plumbing" the car is quiet enough to tiptoe through the suburbs, yet emits a fighter jet-like whoosh upon full throttle.

Looks aside, a lot has changed under the sheet metal. The new body is stiffer and overall weight has been reduced, and the new car is longer and lower than the outgoing model. There's a big focus on aerodynamics and the wings all serve a purpose, some of them facilitate cooling, while others aid road-holding. Furthermore, there's a trick suspension setup with an all-new adaptive damping system. With the new Comfort mode, you can, in actual fact, live with the car on a daily basis and not have your spine realigned each time you drove over an uneven patch of tarmac. The new car also features a new power-steering setup, which is calibrated to each of the three driving modes (comfort, sport, Race). The new Honda Civic Type R rides on 20-inch alloys wrapped in 245/30 R rubber.

Power comes from a turbocharged 2.0-litre 4-cylinder motor, which produces 228 kW and 400 Nm. The car is front-wheel driven and the gearbox is a 6-speed manual, which features rev-matching tech to flatter the novice, while on the other side of the coin, experts can exploit the helical limited-slip differential when attacking the twisties. The motor is essentially the same as the outgoing car, but a number of refinements have been applied and the engine is now a tad more efficient and responsive. Honda claims its new Civic Type R can blitz from 0 to 100 kph in just 5.8 seconds and it'll run onto a top speed of 272 kph.

Three pipe arrangement is not just for show as it improves noise

A plethora of features

Honda's new Civic Type R comes packed with features, which you'd expect when buying a flagship model. The front seats are wonderfully supportive and are of the racing-bucket variety, plus the cockpit is adorned with a beautifully crafted aluminium gearknob and a thick, ultra-direct steering wheel. The dashboard features a comprehensive 7-inch setup that displays info such as gearshift indicator, turbo boost pressure gauge, G-force meter, and lap-time recorder. The 8-speaker sound system features USB ports and HDMI connectivity (it's also Apple CarPlay compatible), while integrated satellite navigation, a reverse-view camera with park sensors, auto lights/wipers and the dual-zone climate control system sweeten the deal. In terms of safety, the Honda Civic Type R has an uprated Brembo braking system with ABS anti-lock control, including electronic brake force distribution (EBD) and emergency brake assist (EBA). Hill Start Assist (HSA), six airbags and Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) are also standard.

The Civic Type R pilot seat. Manual gearbox and quick steering make for a delightful combination

What's it like to drive?

We had the opportunity to sample the Honda Civic Type R on a variety of roads and the current front-wheel-drive Nurburgring record holder did not disappoint. The first leg of the journey was on a national highway and with Comfort mode engaged, throttle response was toned down and you could be fooled into thinking you're behind the wheel of a faster-looking Honda Civic Sport. The car's on-road refinement came as a pleasant surprise as did the ride quality, which was admirable given the Type R's low-profile tyres.

With the damping set at its softest, higher-speed compliance was impressive. It took us a few moments to get the perfect clutch-to-throttle modulation, but once we were in the groove, shifting cogs was a pleasant affair. It's great to see that Honda has not forgotten how to deliver incredibly snappy shifts; each ratio goes neatly into the next.

As we turned off the highway and took some back roads to get to the track, we selected Race mode. The throttle becomes ultra responsive, the dampers adopt a firm attitude and when you're pressing on, that gearshift action is magical. The engine's power delivery is superb, with a little pause as the turbo pressure builds around the 1 800 rpm mark. Then once boosting, the Type R's motor flings you towards the horizon with the engine showing no sign of letting up until you hit the limiter. Snatch the next gear and repeat. It's staggering how well the car pulls in-gear... the engine feels as if it gets stronger from 5 000 rpm.

With its outrageous aero kit and three pipes, the Honda Civic Type R is a visual masterpiece

Once we arrived at the Dezzi Raceway near Port Shepstone, we had the opportunity to really put the car through its paces. Dezzi Raceway is a fascinating setup as it combines some exciting off-camber corners and the elevation changes ensure a guaranteed thrill of a ride. The Honda's stability and grip are to be commended as it was only when you're trying too hard that you encounter a bit of understeer and hear the tyres squealing in protest. We loved the sharp turn in and direct steering, and the massive Brembo brakes are exceptional at bringing the car under control when you pile into a corner too quickly. We actually enjoyed coming into a corner faster than usual as we could exploit that limited slip differential's prodigious grip halfway through the corner and power out at the limits of adhesion.

Verdict

The new Type R addresses its predecessor's shortcomings and expands on its skillset. The result is a sensational driving weapon

Right now, a day after the launch, we're still a bit giddy over the power delivery and sheer fun factor, and the overall feeling is that this is one ballistic road-legal weapon.

It's an out-the-park strike from Honda, which needs a credible halo model. The timing could not have been better either as 2018 will see more rivals make their debut. We can't wait to put the Honda Civic Type R up against the new Renault Megane RS and its other rivals at some point in 2018. Given how well it has been received at launch, we'd be so bold to say our early money is on this bewinged warrior from Japan.

Honda Civic Type R Price in South Africa

The new Honda Civic Type R comes in some sensational colours. We'd pick the traditional Championship White in a heartbeat and you can see how striking this car looks in the photos. However the Sonic Grey Pearl and Rallye Red are also beautiful on the eye. The vehicle comes with a comprehensive five-year/200 000 km warranty, as well as a five-year/90 000 km service plan and a three-year AA Roadside Assistance plan. Scheduled services are at 10 000 km intervals.

Honda Civic Type R R627 900

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/honda-civic-type-r-2018-launch-review/44562/
 
Compared to R640k for a Golf?
Or R699k for a Focus?
Hows about R720k for an Impreza?

All these prices are crazy. Which in turn I guess means that none of them are.

Nah, all of them are crazy

bloody hellfire.
 
We drive Honda's red-hot new Civic Type R

Honda’s new Civic Type R arrived in South Africa this week as a more track-capable hot hatchback, but surprisingly it’s also a more comfortable drive.

Japan’s answer to cars like the VW Golf R and Ford Focus RS has shed 16kg of weight and received chassis and aerodynamic tweaks to make it a better driver’s car. The 228kW and 400Nm outputs of the familiar high-revving 2-litre petrol turbo are unchanged, but the four-cylinder Vtec engine’s undergone a number of refinements including new software and a single mass flywheel to improve throttle response and tractability.

Like the latest-generation Civic, the new Type R employs an all-new platform that’s lighter and stiffer than before, with 38% more torsional rigidity. The former torsion-beam rear suspension has been replaced by a more sophisticated multi-link design for improved high-speed stability and ride comfort. Stability under braking has been improved and body roll has been reduced too.

Power goes to the front wheels as before, but the front suspension geometry’s been refettled to minimise torque steer and I didn’t feel much steering tug when driving the new Type R at its media launch at Dezzi Raceway near Port Shepstone. With the aid of a limited-slip diff the traction’s superb, even in tight-corner exits where lurid wheelspin would usually be the order of the day in a car without all-wheel drive.

Boot the throttle and this Honda just grips and goes, with just a little steering wiggle to remind you that power’s going through the front wheels. It’s very settled and forgiving in full-attack mode, faithfully sticking to a chosen line without getting unruly when the driver gets a little too frisky. The dreaded understeer of front-wheel drive cars is absent; the car turns in crisply and hugs curves like an affectionate feline.

The proof is in the stopwatch. Though the performance figures are unchanged at a claimed 0-100km/h of 5.8 seconds and a 272km/h top speed, the new Civic Type R lapped the Nurburgring Nordschleife in a time of 7min.43.8, which is seven seconds quicker than its predecessor and a new record for a front-wheel drive production car.

The high-revving engine redlines at 7000rpm to maintain the Type R’s familiar gung-ho nature, but at the same time it has a very flat torque curve with all 400Nm available from just 2500rpm. As a nod to purists the car’s not available in automatic, and a six-speed manual’s all you get. And ‘tis a sweet-shifting thing indeed, with a positive action and a short throw reminiscent of the Honda S2000 roadster. It also has rev match control which means there’s no need for heel-and-toeing when shifting down.

Looks-wise the Type R is no shrinking violet. Taking centre stage in the interior are lurid red suede bucket seats, and the cabin’s further pimped-up by red trim and carbon fibre accents, and a D-shaped racing steering wheel. A machined aluminium gear lever knob pays homage to the Type R legacy.

Outside, the Type R’s festooned with enough wings and spoilers to make a Subaru STi jealous, but all this show-and-tell serves an aerodynamic function too and there’s now more rear downforce.

A triple exhaust juts out from the rear diffuser, and this too serves a practical rather than purely visual function, as the smaller central tailpipe manages the enhanced exhaust sound of the new Type R which is 2dB louder than the previous model. The triple-exhaust layout also creates negative pressure at specific engine speeds to reduce boomines, which prevented the car from droning excessively on the long cruise from King Shaka airport to Dezzi Raceway.

What that long drive also revealed was the most surprising aspect of this fire-spitting Honda, its improved driving comfort. As before it comes with Sport and +R modes which at the flick of a switch changes the engine and steering response, adaptive suspension, and the intervention limits of the stability control. But now a new Comfort mode has been added which softens everything up and makes the Type R a more mild-mannered creature when you want it to be, with lighter steering and a softer ride.

The sporty Civic is comprehensively equipped with features such as a turbo boost pressure gauge, G-force meter, and lap time recorder. A full-colour touch-screen infotainment system has integrated satellite navigation and a reversing camera, and dual-zone climate control and cruise control also come standard.

The Honda Civic Type R is yours for R627 900 which includes a five-year/200 000km warranty and five-year/90 000km service plan.

THE ALTERNATIVES:

Audi S3 Sportback quattro, 228kW and 400Nm – R646 000

BMW M140i, 250kW and 500Nm – R681 502

Ford Focus RS, 257kW abnd 440Nm – R699 900

Mercedes-AMG A45, 280kW and 475Nm – R804 614

Volkswagen Golf R, 213kW and 380Nm – R664 400

https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/we-drive-hondas-red-hot-new-civic-type-r-13063592
 
Honda Civic Type R vs Abarth 124 Spider: which is best?

The Abarth 124 Spider and Honda Civic Type R offer diametrically opposed takes on the £30k driver’s car formula

However much motoring journalists might wish that they did, car buyers tend not to think in straight lines.

They don’t organise cars into nebulous classes and categories, then restrict their trawl only to those that populate the most relevant resulting constituency. Recently I had a conversation with someone agonising over whether to buy a Porsche 911 or a supercharged Range Rover Sport, and another with someone wondering if their life would be spiced more by a Ferrari 488 GTB or a light aircraft. Indeed, the only thing likely to be common to all candidates on any shopping list is that whatever is bought must fit within a fixed budget.

So perhaps we should not be so surprised to see these two sharing page space here. Conceptually, the Honda Civic Type R and Abarth 124 Spider might seem to occupy as much common ground as Corbyn and Trump, but both exist primarily for the provision of driving pleasure and either can be yours for within a grand of £30,000. Ergo, they are rivals.

The appeal of this contest is that before they even met I could see exactly why the Civic was going to murder the Abarth. And vice versa. The Civic is wildly quicker and has breathtaking handling for a front-drive hatch, yet it will seat five at a push and has an enormous boot. Of course it’s the better car. Except that when it comes to the provision of pure driving pleasure, it’s not what’s on paper that counts but the road.

And what hope could a fundamentally unbalanced car with incorrect-wheel drive and which is derived from something designed for shopping and the school run have against a super- light, two-seat, rear-drive roadster like the Abarth? Not much, it seemed.

I travelled to the meeting point by Civic, marvelling aga the job Honda has done on this car while wondering once more why it had taken so many stabs at it before rediscovering the brilliance of the original Type Rs.

I fear it knew all along but simply didn’t bother until it realised it could no longer fob off the public with cars that merely looked wacky and went fast. But this new model could only have come from a team that understood the old Honda, the car-crazy Honda, the Honda that remains the only Japanese manufacturer to win as a constructor in Formula 1. Among hatchbacks it is deft in a way a Volkswagen Golf R is deft, but where the Golf is happy to leave you merely slack-jawed in admiration of its abilities, the Honda picks up the corners of your mouth and yanks them towards your ears. It has the grip to make you giggle and a back axle that provides a degree of control and precision unbeaten by any similar car you can buy.

Of course the Abarth is anything other than a similar car. It also has a four-cylinder turbocharged engine driving only two wheels through a six-speed manual gearbox, but that’s about all they share. The Abarth is as pure in its front-engine, rear-drive two-seat configuration as its parentage is complicated, a Fiat-powered Mazda built in Japan but wearing the badge of what was once one of Europe’s greatest tuning houses.

And yet the Abarth has an essential rightness no car like the Civic could hope to emulate. In these days when most of us sit perched upon cars in order to provide a decent view out, we forget too easily the pleasure of being positioned so close to the road in a snug cockpit, surrounded only by essential controls. Even before you move an inch, the Abarth feels more sporting, more fit for this particular purpose: a car with a thoroughbred feel to belie entirely its mongrel origins

At least until you fire it up. The Honda motor is no songbird but it does for the most part spare you the curiously confected flatulence that greets an Abarth owner. Not for the last time you cannot help but let your mind flit back to the wonderful normally aspirated 2.0-litre motor Mazda uses in the MX-5 and sells for £5000 less.

And initially it seems that the Abarth is a pleasant enough device, just not in any way that equips it to deal with the challenge of this contest. It has an excellent gearbox – better by far than that used by the Civic – and that lovely sense of immediacy offered by lightweight cars with close to a 50/50 front/rear balance. In the most literal sense, it places you at the centre of the action. But it rides only reasonably well, the steering somehow lacks the feel found in an MX-5 and that engine reminds you almost ceaselessly of the limitations of small-capacity turbos.

By contrast, the Civic entertains from the off, not least because you need no more than a straight road and a twitch of a toe for the fun to begin. When you read that its 5.8sec 0-62mph time is a full second ahead of the Abarth’s, consider also it’s been achieved despite the traction limitations of front-wheel drive. Were it able to deploy as can the Abarth, you’d be looking at a time in the low fives or, in other words, a completely different level of performance that separates the agreeably quick from frankly bloody rapid.

But then you witness something strange. You’re in the Abarth and attempting to keep up with a fast-moving Civic. You realise first that you cannot – no great surprise there – and then that it couldn’t matter less, because the moment you try to really drive rather than merely conduct the little Fiat, so does its character transform. Suddenly it feels sharp and alert. The engine may have its faults but a lack of low-down torque is not among them, and the more energy it injects into the chassis, the more alive the car starts to feel.

Then its time for the Abarth to do things the Civic cannot. You notice its width, or lack of: it’s an incredible 142mm narrower than the Honda so you can take a proper line into corners the Civic can only drive around. Then you notice that, whatever you do, the nose always finds your apex, because whoever set up the chassis knew understeer has no place in a car like this. Finally, it offers the really good stuff in the form of endless opportunities to adjust your attitude using the other end of the car. With a standard limited-slip differential, gratuitous slides are available – but less satisfying than keeping it neutral enough to reduce the steering lock to zero degrees in either direction while powering out of a turn. Best of all, relatively modest grip levels mean it’s all accessible at relatively modest speeds.

Briefly, the Civic feels a little leaden by comparison, feeling every one of the 320 additional kilos it must carry relative to the Fiat. It takes a while before it feels back to its best again, and when it does, you can’t help but realise this is a less interactive experience, where the fun derives more from marvelling at what it can do rather than what the two of you can achieve together. This doesn’t make it any less real but it does make you aware of the limitations of a heavier, front-drive design that simply don’t apply to the Abarth.

But so too is there a trade-off here, and so before we can anoint a winner, we must take it into account. I’m not sure why I feel slightly surprised to say it, but ultimately it is the Abarth that is more fun to drive. The only problem is that you must drive it quite hard before it will take you to that other place of car and driver interaction the Civic cannot approach. By contrast, the Honda always keeps you amused. Whether tearing up the asphalt with a ridiculous turn of speed, or slicing through a corner as flat and fast as you might imagine any hatch could go, it is the consummate performer, its talents as broad as those of the Abarth are deep.

All of which gives us a problem. Right until this point I was going to amaze you all and give the nod to the Abarth. It’s only when you drive a properly configured, traditionally arranged and genuinely lightweight sports car that you realise that for all the fastest of fast hatches have brought, so too has much been lost. But the Honda is just too good too much of the time. Yes, in ideal driving conditions the Abarth is the superior driving machine, but how often do we get to enjoy those? It has top-down appeal, too, but again, only when circumstances are right.

By contrast, and out there in the all-too real world, the Honda can always be enjoyed, whether it is wet or dry, the roads busy or empty and with one, two, three or four of you on board. So let’s give the moral victory to the Abarth and try not to think too hard about how much better even than this a far cheaper MX-5 would have fared. But the overall win belongs to Honda.

The verdict:

1st - HONDA CIVIC TYPE R: For drivers, it’s the best fast hatchback money can buy; for Honda, it’s a triumphant return to form. Just don’t mistake it for a proper sports car.

2nd - ABARTH 124 SPIDER: So much better than it appears on paper: a real traditionalist’s roadster and a proper driver’s car. With a better engine it could have won.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...der-which-best

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Driven in SA: New Civic Type R goes full attack

Honda's new Civic Type R arrived in South Africa this week as a more track-capable hot hatchback, but surprisingly it’s also a more comfortable drive.

Japan’s answer to cars such as the Volkswagen Golf R and Ford Focus RS has shed 16kg of weight and received chassis and aerodynamic tweaks to make it a better driver’s car. The 228kW and 400Nm outputs of the familiar high-revving two-litre turbopetrol are unchanged, but the four-cylinder Vtec engine’s undergone a number of refinements including new software and a single mass flywheel to improve throttle response and tractability.

Like the latest-generation Civic, the new Type R employs an all-new platform that’s lighter and stiffer than before, with 38 percent more torsional rigidity.

The former torsion-beam rear suspension has been replaced by a more sophisticated multi-link design for improved high-speed stability and ride comfort. Stability under braking has been improved and body roll has been reduced too.

Power goes to the front wheels as before, but the front suspension geometry has been refettled to minimise torque steer and I didn’t feel much steering tug when driving the new Type R at its media launch at Dezzi Raceway near Port Shepstone. With the aid of a limited-slip differential the traction is superb, even in tight-corner exits where lurid wheelspin would usually be the order of the day in a car without all-wheel drive.

Boot the throttle and this Honda just grips and goes, with just a little steering wiggle to remind you that power’s going through the front wheels.

It’s very settled and forgiving in full-attack mode, faithfully sticking to a chosen line without getting unruly when the driver gets a little too frisky. The dreaded understeer of front-wheel drive cars is absent; the car turns in crisply and hugs curves like an affectionate feline.

New Type R is festooned with enough wings and spoilers to make a Subaru STi jealous.
The proof is in the stopwatch. Though the performance figures are unchanged at a claimed 0-100km/h of 5.8 seconds and a 272km/h top speed, the new Civic Type R lapped the Nurburgring Nordschleife in a time of 7m43.8s, which is seven seconds quicker than its predecessor and a new record for a front-wheel drive production car.

The high-revving engine redlines at 7000rpm to maintain the Type R’s familiar gung-ho nature, but at the same time it has a very flat torque curve with all 400Nm available from just 2500rpm.

As a nod to purists the car’s not available in automatic, and a six-speed manual’s all you get. And ‘tis a sweet-shifting thing indeed, with a positive action and a short throw reminiscent of the Honda S2000 roadster. It also has rev match control which means there’s no need for heel-and-toeing when shifting down.

Looks-wise the Type R is no shrinking violet. Taking centre stage in the interior are lurid red suede bucket seats, and the cabin’s further pimped-up by red trim and carbon fibre accents, and a D-shaped racing steering wheel. A machined aluminium gear lever knob pays homage to the Type R legacy.

Outside, the Type R is festooned with enough wings and spoilers to make a Subaru STi jealous, but all this show-and-tell serves an aerodynamic function too and there’s now more rear downforce.

Cabin is festooned with red accents and carbon trimmings.

A triple exhaust juts out from the rear diffuser, and this too serves a practical rather than purely visual function, as the smaller central tailpipe manages the enhanced exhaust sound of the new Type R which is 2dB louder than the previous model.

The triple-exhaust layout also creates negative pressure at specific engine speeds to reduce boominess, which prevented the car from droning excessively on the long cruise from King Shaka airport to Dezzi Raceway.

What that long drive also revealed was the most surprising aspect of this fire-spitting Honda, its improved driving comfort. As before it comes with Sport and +R modes which at the flick of a switch changes the engine and steering response, adaptive suspension, and the intervention limits of the stability control.

But now a new Comfort mode has been added which softens everything up and makes the Type R a more mild-mannered creature when you want it to be, with lighter steering and a softer ride.

The sporty Civic is comprehensively equipped with features such as a turbo boost pressure gauge, G-force meter, and lap time recorder. A full-colour touch-screen infotainment system has integrated satellite navigation and a reversing camera, and dual-zone climate control and cruise control also come standard.

The Honda Civic Type R is yours for R627 900 which includes a five-year or 200 000km warranty and five-year or 90 000km service plan.

FACTS

Honda Civic Type R

Engine: 2.0-litre, 4-cylinder turbopetrol
Gearbox: 6-speed manual
Power: 228kW @ 7000rpm
Torque: 400Nm @ 2500rpm
0-100km/h (claimed): 5.8 seconds
Top speed (claimed): 272km/h
Fuel consumption (claimed): 8.4 litres per 100km
Price: R627 900
Warranty: 5-year/200 000km
Service plan: 5-year/90 000km

ALTERNATIVES

Audi S3 Sportback 228kW / 400Nm R646 000
BMW M140i 250kW / 500Nm R681 502
Ford Focus RS 257kW / 440Nm R699 900
Mercedes-AMG A45 280kW / 475Nm R804 614
Volkswagen Golf R 213kW / 380Nm R665 400

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Test driving the fastest FWD production car around the Nurburgring ,tomorrow at Honda Sandton,can't wait will give some feed back!I have been waiting to see this car a while now,Glad the new FK8 type came to South Africa just the pricing is a bit steep at R627,000 compared to $35,000(R407,000) in the USA.The SA cars what I know also come from the Swinden Factory in the UK,so pricing is most likely in Pounds to SA Rands,being 33,000 Pounds(R539,000) in the UK.People must remember this is a everyday driver and a great track car on weekends,on the track is where it excels and not robot to robot racing.A Golf GTI/R a Ford Focus RS a Audi S3 are not designed for track usage often, this car is!The car has allot of grip an 0 torque steer what I have heard.
 
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All I can say the car has the best front seats I have ever sat in,the rev matching is awesome!!,the space in the car.its a big car that goes fast!!..was such a nice test drive,Honda Sandton was very accommodating and gave me good service,The modes comfort,sport and R+ mode are major differences in the cars performance,but less I felt in the handling and ride quality.The car's default is in Sport mode,the gearbox is the best manual gearbox I have ever felt with excellent rev matching in every gear,Steering just as good with O torque steer no matter how hard you pull away,A real driver car for the road,but this is a track car..really.everyday use will become so boring in traffic,So yes was a great car to ride,I would highly recommend those who have not seen it or drove it to go drive it!!
 
All I can say the car has the best front seats I have ever sat in,the rev matching is awesome!!,the space in the car.its a big car that goes fast!!..was such a nice test drive,Honda Sandton was very accommodating and gave me good service,The modes comfort,sport and R+ mode are major differences in the cars performance,but less I felt in the handling and ride quality.The car's default is in Sport mode,the gearbox is the best manual gearbox I have ever felt with excellent rev matching in every gear,Steering just as good with O torque steer no matter how hard you pull away,A real driver car for the road,but this is a track car..really.everyday use will become so boring in traffic,So yes was a great car to ride,I would highly recommend those who have not seen it or drove it to go drive it!!

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I just saw one for the first time in the flesh today. Maybe it was the putrid colour - a dull clay-like grey-green - but fark did it look ugly!

Like someone took a Nissan GTR, and glued on go-faster bit's bought from a corner cafe.

And I am a fan of hot hatches and edgy styling!
 
I don't regard this as a sedan or anything of that nature. It is out and out a hooligan car.
If I wanted a hooligan car I'd put my money on a Nissan 370Z coupe then at least I would have rear wheel drive.
To me the Honda wears too much make up.
 
The CTR was always known as the hot hatch that is meant to be OTT Ito styling. Basically total opposite to the extremely safe styling of the Golf Rrrrr.

The last 2 generations was meant to appeal more to the "boy racer" crowd.

When that is taken into context the styling is right on the money.
 
To me the Honda wears too much make up.

Make up? Too me it's made up parts.

When that is taken into context the styling is right on the money.

I will reserve an absolute opinion until I see one in a decent colour. I cannot believe that:

a) Honda actually invented the grey-green colour that seems to attempt to match stomach bile
b) Actually sprayed one of their halo car models in the colour
c) Someone actually bought it in that colour.
 
...grey-green colour that seems to attempt to match stomach bile...

Not sure what you think stomach bile looks like. There is also no green colour available. You make an opinion on a car based on one of the 6 colours that are available? Okay.

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I don't regard this as a sedan or anything of that nature. It is out and out a hooligan car.
If I wanted a hooligan car I'd put my money on a Nissan 370Z coupe then at least I would have rear wheel drive.
To me the Honda wears too much make up.



But is a head turner looks like nothing else..everyone was looking at this car when I drove it,the Honda shape has always been unique and ahead of its time for its shape.Its not just make up..the engine is very very good!!
 
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