The Honda Civic Type R Thread

Honda Civic Type R GT UK 2017 review

Should I buy one?

The junior touring car vibe that so dominated the appeal of the last Type R is very much the new one’s defining character trait. This time around, it comes in a package that can be gentler-riding and slightly less wearing when the occasion calls for that; but Honda’s race-car feel is still central to its appeal. And, frankly, that ‘speed and composure before absolutely everything’ philosophy is either everything you want your hot hatchback to be or it’s not even close.

It has taken a great deal of skill and commitment to turn the Type R into a hot hatchback that just keeps getting better the more you ask of it on the road. But the fact is that several of its rivals offer the more accessible fun factor that many would imagine ought to be a hot hatchback’s mission to provide.

My instinct is – albeit on first acquaintance only (watch out for fuller assessments, including track testing, over the coming weeks) – that both a Volkswagen Golf R and a Ford Focus RS have greater all-round driver appeal and that, if money’s no object, a Mercedes-AMG A45 would outrank all three for the most raw and absorbing thrills. And that is, of course, to say nothing of the new Audi RS3 Sportback – for which a UK-roads verdict is now imminent. Stand by for a comparison test including all five cars, just to be sure.

But, even among that lot, the Type R may now have become the market’s fastest-improving hot hatchback. It remains one of its most temptingly affordable, too. And those are two more reasons why, like it or hate it, you just can’t take your eyes off it.

Honda Civic Type R GT

Location Cardiff, UK; On sale now; Price £32,995 Engine 4cyls in line, 1996cc, turbocharged petrol Power 316bhp at 6500rpm; Torque 295lb ft at 2500-4500rpm Gearbox 6-spd manual; Kerbweight 1380kg 0-62mph 5.7sec; Top speed 169mph; Economy 36.7mpg; CO2/tax band 176g/km / 34%; Rivals Ford Focus RS, Seat Leon Cupra 300

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revie...t-drives/honda-civic-type-r-gt-uk-2017-review

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Someone Already Wants To Part With Their Poor 2017 Honda Civic Type R For $55,000

Look at this sad, lonely 2017 Honda Civic Type R, in what looks to be a nice neighborhood in suburban South Carolina. But not everything here is nice. No, in fact, this neighborhood houses the tale of the poor hot hatch that came home with a new companion, only to be listed for sale a few hundred miles later.

Alas, there the Type R sits, outside, with the bugs and the trees and the Nissan Altimas of this cruel world. You can see its sporty headlights—the windows to its soul—slightly downturned, looking back on its short run with the owner it thought would be shifting its six gears for years to come.

But it just wasn’t meant to be. Instead of using their power to make hard turns or react to a mash of a pedal, its massive brakes are now tasked with the burden of stopping this car’s ever-beating heart from breaking into tiny, tiny pieces. It must be strong for its potential new owner.

For reasons undisclosed in the Craigslist ad (naturally), its owner is selling this Type R off to the next person after well under 1,000 miles of driving and for more than $20,000 over its suggested value. Most new dealer models are going for far more than the $33,900 MSRP, but this sad soul is listed for a whopping $55,000. It’s hard to say for certain if the seller will make a profit on it, considering that dealers are selling the car for around double the MSRP in some cases.

Either way, here’s the brief, unaffectionate parting message the current owner had for the car in the ad:

Honda civic TypeR black 2017 600 miles only serious buyer cash only i am no financing

No “Truly yours,” no “We had a good run,” and certainly no love for this poor Type R. Luckily, we all know there’s probably someone out there willing to cough the money up to give this car a longer, more loving companionship than the last.

http://jalopnik.com/someone-already-wants-to-part-with-their-poor-2017-hond-1797721166

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Saw my 1st one on the road yesterday, in black. Was not impressed at all , way too much rice. Sounded nice though.
 
PS, what's with the middle exhaust hole?

That's the vrrruuuuupa pipe.

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/heres-why-the-new-civic-type-r-has-a-third-tailpipe/

“The three tailpipes each have a function. At low revs, exhaust gas is streaming out of all three pipes in order to create a very dynamic, ‘roaring’ sound,” Hideki Kakinuma told the publication.

“At mid and high revs, the middle pipe creates a certain negative pressure, which reduces the booming noise in the cabin. We can amplify the exhaust sound, but by controlling the exhaust flow we can also reduce the noise we want to avoid in certain operational conditions,” he explained.
 
PS, what's with the middle exhaust hole?

Was discussed before but anyhow:

That middle exhaust pipe has a function that might surprise you

A detail of the Type R’s design many have picked up on is the unusual exhaust layout. Gone is the quad exit of the FK2, replaced with three centre-mounted pipes, with a smaller one in the middle of the trio. So is it just an aesthetic thing? Were the designers massive Ferrari F40 fanboys? Well no, actually. To explain what it does, let’s hand over to Kakinuma-san:

“The three tail pipes each have a function. At low RPM exhaust gas is streaming out of all three pipes in order to create a very dynamic, ‘roaring’ sound. At mid and high RPM, the middle pipe creates a certain negative pressure, which reduces the booming noise in the cabin. We can amplify the exhaust sound, but by controlling the exhaust flow we can also reduce the noise we want to avoid in certain operational conditions.”

This is jolly good news. The outgoing Type R didn’t have a particularly exciting exhaust note, and on long motorway journeys, the booming of the pipework did get particularly irksome. So if it’s been reduced, it’s another sign - along with the much improved trip computer system found on the standard Civic hatch and the new comfort driving mode - that the new Type R will be much, much easier to live with than the old one.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/6-new-things-we-learned-about-the-fk8-honda-civic-type-r/
 
So, what y'll are sayin' is that F1 needs extra exhaust pipes to get that lively F1 sound back?

I'm sure Honda spent lots of Yen in design and what not, but that rear is not only ugly, it looks far too busy and pointless. Like the overly finicky front wings on F1 cars (which I know are not pointless, but my word are they ugly)
 
Sport Compact Comparison: Civic Type R vs. WRX STI vs. Golf R vs. Focus RS - AutoGuide.com

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2018 Honda Civic Type R First Drive Review - Alex on Autos

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Britain's best affordable driver's car: Final showdown

It's a four-way fight for glory between Honda, Mercedes-AMG, Peugeot and Volkswagen. Which will prove Britain's best affordable driver's car?

Time for the big showdown: the ultimate four-way hot hatchback slugfest.

This is McGregor versus Mayweather – with Jet Li and ‘Stone Cold’ Steve Austin throwing boots, fists, random exploding objects and folding chairs from the wrong side of the ropes. Front-wheel- drivers line up against four-wheel-drivers; new vogue dual-clutch paddle-shift auto ’boxes against the tactile involvement of a manual; and two of the longest-established purveyors of the affordable performance hatchback against a couple with less pedigree, but no shortage of ambition.

This is more of a cup final than an end-of-season top-four play-off. The cars contesting it – the Honda Civic Type R, Mercedes-AMG A45, Peugeot 308 GTi and Volkswagen Golf R – have only had to beat their nearest rival to qualify. And although it’s interesting to wonder exactly how our line-up would be different if our judges had simply nominated their four highest-rated driver’s cars to go forwards, doing that would likely have made a final redundant. We’d already know who liked what, and how much. And there’s nothing like a bit of suspense, is there?

And so, having mixed road and track testing throughout this year’s Britain’s Best Affordable Driver’s Car thus far, it’s time to head out onto the mountain roads of south Wales in the company of cars that have all won once already and earned the right to be considered afresh.

And they’ll all get a proper chance at success, too. Lining up a 266bhp, £29,000 Peugeot against a 376bhp, £42,000 Mercedes-AMG and expecting a fair fight may seem naïve, but this isn’t a normal comparison. Our verdict will be all about real-world driver appeal – and it’ll be balanced against a value-for-money judgement, as the verdict of any test with the word ‘affordable’
 in its title must. Our old friend the law of diminishing marginal returns should actually make life toughest for the pricier cars in the running.

Since you’ve already read about these cars once, there shouldn’t
be much introducing left for me 
to do – except to remind you that
a couple of these finalists that you think you know well have been updated or tweaked since the last time we wrote about them at length. The Peugeot has been in receipt of an exterior styling overhaul that has added a f lash of colour and a slightly more aggressive glare to the front end, as well as a few new cabin appointments. For the Golf R, VW has laid on an extra 10bhp of power, 15lb ft of torque and an extra intermediate ratio for the car’s optional dual-clutch gearbox. The A45 appears in the same form in which it saw off the Audi TT RS and Ford Focus RS in a group test in late 2016 – although it looks even angrier than it did back then thanks to the various sharp-edged aerofoils of AMG’s aerodynamics package. And finally, there’s the Civic Type R, almost every nut, bolt and inch of which is interesting and new to the hot hatchback fold.

I’d go so far as to say that
 the Honda is distractingly, disproportionately interesting. Whether you’re fascinated or repelled by the way it looks, you soon realise, after a long drive, that your reaction to those looks could end up being the least important factor in deciding how you feel about it. When I marched triumphantly back into what passes for a circuit office at the Llandow track and announced to everyone inside that the Audi RS3 Sportback I’d just driven had set the quickest lap time of the test (not to mention that it had become the only car on test proven capable of 100mph from rest in less than 10sec) precisely nobody cared. Everybody expected the RS3 to be monstrously quick. And, at the time, everyone was engaged in animated, stunned, enthusiastic conversation about a Type R they simply hadn’t dared hope could be this good

And so it’s with the Honda
that we embark upon this final comparison: a car that was so
much more adhesive, balanced, communicative and absorbing on the circuit than anyone was expecting, and that continues in a similar vein on the road, while also encountering some new obstacles and revealing a few fresh limitations.

This new Civic is a big car. It
has the grip, handling response and body control of a considerably smaller one and so disguises its size very effectively on track. But on
the narrow, serpentine roads that wind this way and that around the Rhondda Valley, it feels wide as the stone walls around you suddenly close in. You may also notice your outside front wheel thumping along the cats eyes in the middle of the road more often than you’d like. And if, like me, you instinctively like small hot hatches and rank compactness as one of the things that brings people back to this breed of performance car who have the means to buy faster and more exotic road cars, well, that might trouble you a bit.

Pressed into the pit of your palm like the cool metallic handle of a carving knife, the Type R’s gearlever is lovely to the touch. It snicks positively through its gate in a short, taut, perfectly weighted action that is so singularly special as to make the shift quality of the 308 GTi’s six- speed manual ’box seem limp, baggy and uninviting. Drive the Peugeot in isolation, of course, and you probably wouldn’t have much cause to complain about its gearbox. By the standards of most modern cars, it’s fine. It just takes a manual shift as supremely sweet as the Honda’s to make you appreciate what you’ve been missing been missing: that added dimension of driver control and mechanical engagement that a paddle-shift hot hatchback can never give you.

There’s a moment’s hesitation as you feed in the power in the Honda; enough, certainly, that if you find turbo lag a particularly irksome phenomenon in a driver’s car, this one may not be for you. Which isn’t to say the Civic is some kind of 1980s throwback; just that there are modern driver’s cars that respond more crisply to the position of your right foot. The pervading, immaculately metered accuracy of the rest of the car’s controls make that stick out a bit. But once that instant of latency is overcome, the car lunges hard at the horizon and keeps working hard at crank speeds where other-four cylinders turbos wouldn’t. The surges of force the engine serves
up on a planted throttle at 3500rpm and 5000rpm are addictive, and unless you’re on wet or very bumpy roads, there’s plenty of traction available under that pair of 20in front wheels and extra-wide 245-section tyres. A wiggle of
 wheel fight occasionally presents
if the surface under those tyres changes when you’re using full power, but it’s certainly not torque steer and, as a constituent part of a properly absorbing, physical driving experience, it’s far from unwelcome.

The weighty, direct wheel of
the Honda is one you hold with both hands. It’s heavier and more direct than any of the others and it offers greater feedback, too. By comparison, the Golf R’s steering could be managed with a couple of digits for most of the time. The A45’s is a little heavier and more satisfying, and the Peugeot’s is a slightly over- assisted, side-plate-sized object of criticism that we’ve run up against before. A hot hatchback’s steering should put you into such an intimate conversation with the front contact patches that you can almost feel the sidewalls flex and squidge with your fingertips. The Type R’s steering is excellent; both the A45’s and the Golf’s are very good; but the 308’s is poor, allowing you almost no feel at all for what’s a much better-balanced chassis than you might think.

Ride sophistication is of almost equal importance in a great hot hatchback, I reckon, because on country roads, you have at least as many ruts and bumps to negotiate as bends. In this respect, the Honda is not quite our class hero. Nothing comparable rides an uneven B-road with the mastery of an adaptively damped Golf R, which has the compliance and chassis dexterity to smooth surface ridges away and filter out nasty imperfections quite brilliantly.

But the body control, handling precision and sense of connectedness that ride compromise leaves the
Golf with are all farther off the standards set by the Honda than what separates the Honda from the Golf on ride. Select Comfort mode on the Civic’s drive selector and there’s a suppleness here that the previous Type R never even approached. On a really testing surface, it can feel
as though Honda has yet to find the perfect tune for the car’s suspension: it is, perhaps, just a little bit too soft in Comfort, becoming ever so slightly wooden at times in Sport.

But most roads are gobbled up
in a blur of speed, grip, vigour and excitement in the Civic. Most corners are simply greater opportunities for line-enlivening, attitude-adjusting, smile-widening fun than is on offer in everyday circumstances in any of the other cars here.

At the end of three days on
road and track, our judges were unanimous: the Golf might have been objectively ‘better’ in the broadest sense, the A45 faster, the 308 GTi cheaper – but the Civic Type R had shown itself to be the champion driver’s car of them all. The most improved hot hatchback of 2017 is also the best.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/britains-best-affordable-drivers-car-final-showdown

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