The "Is Windows 8 a Flop?" Thread

MS should have made the Modern UI an optional installation choice for users. What I want is two choice when installing Windows: (1) Windows 8 with Modern UI for touch screen devices; (2) Windows 8 without Modern UI for non-touch screen devices. Heck, the installer can even detect that automatically looking at the hardware. Why on earth would I want Modern UI on my non-touch screen device?! It is fugly and just plain stupid beyond words when a mouse is used instead of touch.

MS effed up here. Touch screen computers will not hit the mass of corporate users for some time to come. An exclusive few in bigger organisations will get it (IT dept plus top management).

I will not be dragged into MS's walled garden without putting up a moerse fight. I already have a meeting set up to prevent this from happening in my organisation. MS wants what Apple has and wants to drag their current huge client base in to print their own money and beat Apple at its own game. No way. Sorry. Not while I have a say.
 
I'm still trying to understand what is so unfriendly, unproductive, stupid and wrong about this? Baring in mind you can still use a keyboard and mouse just the same to access and use it and any other function you don't want to use shortcuts or type for can also be pinned to it. No one is forcing a touch interface but it works for both and is hardly poor to use so why all the negativity? Or am I missing something?

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It's really ugly. Reminds me of a UI I developed in Win 3.1 20 years ago. Progress, no.
 
Bobbin said:
I'm still trying to understand what is so unfriendly, unproductive, stupid and wrong about this? Baring in mind you can still use a keyboard and mouse just the same to access and use it and any other function you don't want to use shortcuts or type for can also be pinned to it. No one is forcing a touch interface but it works for both and is hardly poor to use so why all the negativity? Or am I missing something?

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Well there are 3 immediate things that I can see that are counterproductive:
1) There is no apparent order to the tiles; not alphabetical, not thematic, not any bloody thing. You have to scan the entire page to find what you want.
2) You had to go out of the production environment in order to find your app. That point alone is counterproductive by definition.
3) Why must icon launchers take up an entire page to themselves? I have my programs here on W7 1/2 on the start menu and 1/2 in Rocketdock, and the entire rest of my desktop unutilized.
 
cerebus said:
Well there are 2 immediate things that I can see that are counterproductive:
1) There is no apparent order to the tiles; not alphabetical, not thematic, not any bloody thing. You have to scan the entire page to find what you want.
2) You had to go out of the production environment in order to find your app. That point alone is counterproductive by definition.
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1. It is arranged by office apps, gaming, media and admin and is simply the way I like them arranged.
2. Eh?? lol, either three clicks, or one key and one click launches the app from anywhere depending on how you work.
 
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Get "Fences" for the normal Windows desktop and it works a 100x better than that kindergarden computer game look.
 
Bobbin said:
1. It is arranged by office apps, gaming, media and admin and is simply the way I like them arranged.
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Oh now I see what you're getting at there.... Well I tried the personal arrangement thing on W8 and it keeps rearranging them randomly then I have to go back in and sort them out again. Quite a pain...
2. Eh?? lol, either three clicks, or one key and one click launches the app from anywhere depending on how you work.
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And that's easier than the Start Menu? W8: Windows key: Leave desktop: scan around for your app: launch it: hope it isn't a Metro app (like Skype), because then you'll have to grab it and pull it aside so you can get access back to your desktop, then press the Windows key again. W7: Click Start button. Find app. Click to open it. The new way works pretty much fine but it's still one added step of complexity compared to the old Start button way.
 
cerebus said:
Oh now I see what you're getting at there.... Well I tried the personal arrangement thing on W8 and it keeps rearranging them randomly then I have to go back in and sort them out again. Quite a pain...

And that's easier than the Start Menu? W8: Windows key: Leave desktop: scan around for your app: launch it: hope it isn't a Metro app (like Skype), because then you'll have to grab it and pull it aside so you can get access back to your desktop, then press the Windows key again. W7: Click Start button. Find app. Click to open it. The new way works pretty much fine but it's still one added step of complexity compared to the old Start button way.
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Hopefully an update fixes the rearranging thing? but I see where you are coming from wrt metro that could be a real irritation. I don't use any metro apps, even IE I use the desktop mode so I missed that :o
 
Garyvdh said:
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lol whats wrong...the colour? Can change that but I thought it looked rather nice full screen :D

EDIT: Meh... you made me self-conscious about it now :( changed to dark blue and less pattern :o
 
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Space_Chief said:
You missed the point.
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I get it, but question its validity.

It will take the same amount of effort for a Win7 user to adapt/acclimatise to the default app launching paradigm of either Win8 or OSX ML. From that point on I would expect the same level of consistency going forward i.e. Win8->Win9 or OSX 10.8->OSX 10.9
 
Bobbin said:
lol whats wrong...the colour? Can change that but I thought it looked rather nice full screen :D

EDIT: Meh... you made me self-conscious about it now :( changed to dark blue and less pattern :o
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No, it's not the colour, it's the whole layout! :(
 
I think MS have completely missed the target they were aiming for.

People don't want to sit in front of their desktops/Laptops with a mobile interface hindering their productivity. What they want (or will want) is a "portal" UI that will enable them to use their tablets to access the processing power of their desktops/Laptops.

MS is in a great place to deliver this new portal UI, but I don't think that metro is the right UI to do it. (frankly Metro makes me want to vomit.)
 
The problem with getting a tablet to access the power of a desktop is you still need to adapt classic Windows somehow into a tablet-friendly interface. Right now WinRT is fine for tablets but as soon as you enter the desktop mode you'd better pray you have a mouse and keyboard nearby or it's agony. I can imagine the boardrooms at Microsoft HQ are just bursting with internecine rivalries and lines in sand, and Win8 is what came out of that. Ballmer would have fired Steve Jobs and Jonny Ive by now though, so I don't see much hope forwards.
 
cerebus said:
The problem with getting a tablet to access the power of a desktop is you still need to adapt classic Windows somehow into a tablet-friendly interface. Right now WinRT is fine for tablets but as soon as you enter the desktop mode you'd better pray you have a mouse and keyboard nearby or it's agony. I can imagine the boardrooms at Microsoft HQ are just bursting with internecine rivalries and lines in sand, and Win8 is what came out of that. Ballmer would have fired Steve Jobs and Jonny Ive by now though, so I don't see much hope forwards.
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Steven Sinofsky bailed before the firing/flying chairs could start :D
 
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