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An al Qaeda splinter group seized control of the Iraqi city of Mosul on Tuesday, putting security forces to flight in a spectacular show of strength against the Shi'ite-led Baghdad government.

The capture of the northern city of 2 million by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Sunni Muslims waging sectarian war on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian frontier - complements ISIL's grip on key western towns and followed four days of heavy fighting in Mosul and the border province of Nineveh around it.

The United States, which pulled out its troops two and a half years ago, pledged to help Iraqi leaders "push back against this aggression" as the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki asked parliament to declare a state of emergency that would give him extraordinary powers to tackle the crisis.

But the battle, for the time being, seemed to be over. Some police were discarding uniforms and weapons and fleeing a city where the black flag of ISIL now flew over government buildings.

"We have lost Mosul this morning," said a colonel at a local military command center. "Army and police forces left their positions and ISIL terrorists are in full control.

"It’s a total collapse of the security forces."
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/11/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0EL1H520140611

Wait that can't be!

“The war in Afghanistan is winding down. Al Qaeda has been decimated,” Obama said during a campaign rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin November 1, 2012. “Osama bin Laden is dead. So we’ve made real progress these past four years.”
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President Barack Obama has described al Qaeda as having been “decimated,” “on the path to defeat” or some other variation at least 32 times since the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, according to White House transcripts.
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Mosul Seized: Jihadis Loot $429m from City's Central Bank

Mosul Seized: Jihadis Loot $429m from City's Central Bank to Make Isis World's Richest Terror Force

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (Isis) has become the richest terror group ever after looting 500 billion Iraqi dinars - the equivalent of $429m (£256m) - from Mosul's central bank, according to the regional governor.

Nineveh governor Atheel al-Nujaifi confirmed Kurdish televison reports that Isis militants had stolen millions from numerous banks across Mosul. A large quantity of gold bullion is also believed to have been stolen.

Following the siege of the country's second city, the bounty collected by the group has left it richer than al-Qaeda itself and as wealthy as small nations such as Tonga, Kiribati, the Marshall Islands and the Falkland Islands.

The financial assets that Isis now possess are likely to worsen the Iraqi governement's struggle to defeat the insurgency, which is aimed at creating an Islamic state across the Syrian-Iraqi border

The Islamist militants took control of Mosul after hundreds of its fighters overwhelmed government military forces in a lightening attack on Monday, forcing up to 500,000 people to flee the city and Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to call a national state of emergency.

The militants freed up to 1,000 inmates from Mosul's central prison, according to senior police officials. They are also in control of Mosul airport and local television stations.

They also seized considerable amounts of US-supplied military hardware. Photos have already emerged of Isis parading captured Humvees in neighbouring Syria where they are also waging war against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

In a televised news conference, Maliki said "Iraq is undergoing a difficult stage" and urged the public and government to unite "to confront this vicious attack, which will spare no Iraqi."

For example, with $425 mill ISIS could pay 60,000 fighters around $600 a month for a year.

"The situation remains extremely serious. Senior U.S. officials in both Washington and Baghdad are tracking events closely in coordination with the Government of Iraq," the statement read.

"The United States stands with the Iraqi people," it continued.

Isis captured the city Falluja, 40 miles west of Baghdad, in January and currently controls large swathes of northern Iraq.

The Iraqi government has launched a number of failed assaults on the city leaving hopes of retaking Mosul slim.

An Iraqi army officer told the Independent: "We can't beat them."

"They're trained in street fighting and we're not. We need a whole army to drive them out of Mosul. They're like ghosts; they appear to hit and disappear within seconds."
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mosul-seiz...make-isis-worlds-richest-terror-force-1452190
 
Events are moving fast...

Iraq crisis: al-Qaeda forces seize Mosul and Tikrit with Baghdad in sight - live

US and UK speak of deep concern as al-Qaeda take swathes of northern Iraq, sparking a mass exodus of civilians - follow latest developments

Latest

06.05 For those of you just waking up this morning a brief summary of key developments overnight:

Washington vowed to boost aid to Iraq and is mulling drone strikes amid fears Iraqi forces are crumbling in face of militants increasingly emboldened since the US withdrawal.

Quote The United States has been fast to provide necessary support for the people and government of Iraq," National Security Advisor Susan Rice told a Washington think-tank on Wednesday.

"We are working together to roll back aggression and counter the threat" posed by ISIL to Iraq and the region," Rice said.

But she insisted the US "must do more to strengthen our partners' capacity to defeat the terrorist threat on their home turf by providing them the necessary training, equipment and support."

ISIL spokesman Abu Mohammed al-Adnani promised that the battle would "rage" on Baghdad and Karbala, a city southwest of the capital that is considered one of the holiest sites for Shiite Muslims, the SITE Intelligence Group said.

Quote Do not relent against your enemy... The battle is not yet raging, but it will rage in Baghdad and Karbala," Adnani said, according to a SITE translation of an audio statement released on the militants' Twitter feed.

"Put on your belts and get ready."

The UN Security Council will meet today to discuss developments within the country.

Diplomats say the closed consultations will begin at 11:30 am (1530 GMT) and will include a briefing by video link from the UN special representative to Iraq, Nickolay Mladenov.

The US has also pledged to support Iraqi leaders as they combat a militant offensive that has seized a large swathe of northern and north-central Iraq.

The United States will stand with Iraqi leaders across the political spectrum as they forge the national unity necessary to succeed in the fight against ISIL" (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), White House spokesman Jay Carney said in a statement.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ul-and-Tikrit-with-Baghdad-in-sight-live.html
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They should NEVER have gone into Iraq. Utter train wreck post invasion.
 
thestaggy said:
They should NEVER have gone into Iraq. Utter train wreck post invasion.
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+1

Saddam tried to murder me my boy. Go get em sonny; for Murica.

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I've said it again and again... it was a mistake to respond to 9/11 militarily.

All of that money (close to $3.5 Trillion now) should have been poured into an ideological war.... changing the hearts and the minds of the people.
 
ISIS was formed pre 911 and have been operating a lot outside of Iraq like in Syria. They are made up of Terrorists from all over, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Russia. The formation of ISIS was not really a direct response to the invasion of Iraq.
 
Americans being evacuated from Iraqi air base

WASHINGTON — Officials say three planeloads of Americans are being evacuated from a major Iraqi air base in Sunni territory north of Baghdad to escape potential threats from a fast-moving insurgency.

A current U.S. official and a former senior Obama administration official say that means the American training mission at the air field in Balad has been grounded indefinitely.

Twelve U.S. personnel who were stationed at Balad were the first to be evacuated. Several hundred American contractors are still waiting to leave.

They have been training Iraqi forces to use fighter jets and surveillance drones.

Other U.S. contractors at a tank training ground in the city of Taji is still ongoing for now.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they refused to be named in discussing the sensitive situation.
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http://www.stripes.com/americans-being-evacuated-from-iraqi-air-base-1.288637#.U5oNXqbv5Ts.twitter
 
Unhappy438 said:
ISIS was formed pre 911 and have been operating a lot outside of Iraq like in Syria. They are made up of Terrorists from all over, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Russia. The formation of ISIS was not really a direct response to the invasion of Iraq.
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The seeds of the formation of Islamic terror groups go way back in time, but Twentieth Century American foreign policy has caused it to come to a head over the last 50 years.
But the biggest spending of the war on terror has all been post 9/11.

Dealing with the problem in a satisfactory way is going to take a sea change and fundamental shift in American Foreign policy... at least as far as Islamic states are concerned.
It involves the negation and dilution of the worst elements of Radical Islam.
Britain actually should have followed this route a long time ago as well.
They should have been cultivating the teaching and spread of moderate and liberal Islamic principles through non-violent means.

Let's put it this way.

Radical Islam takes young boys who are hungry and looking for meaning in life and makes them into martyrs and robotic freedom fighters
To counter that...
They should have targeted that same demographic and taken those young boys and turned them into iPod carrying, pimpled geeks, hipsters and jocks, who care more about their movies and clothes than what their Imam is teaching at the Mosque on Friday. In other words, turn them into global consumers.
$3.5 Trillion dollars would have bought every family in the Middle East enough materialism to trigger this change.
It's simple, give them all access to the Internet and to Satellite TV for free (even if their governments ban it).

This was actually the guiding light of the Arab Dawn... it was what the young Arab youth wanted before their revolution was hijacked by the Radicals.
It is still happening to a large extent in Turkey and Egypt.
 
Garyvdh said:
I've said it again and again... it was a mistake to respond to 9/11 militarily.

All of that money (close to $3.5 Trillion now) should have been poured into an ideological war.... changing the hearts and the minds of the people.
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Now $425 million will be "poured into an ideological war.... changing the hearts and the minds of the people."

Worrying, but then, if considering the maths of some, the US spends more than $500 million per victim on anti-terrorism efforts.

Also, terrorists have a gazillion ways of making and transferring money.

Just for the Saudis' Wahhabism promotion, a real total spent annually spreading Islam is between $2 billion and $2.5 billion... with $75 Billion spent by Riyadh over the last 30 years
 
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Garyvdh said:
The seeds of the formation of Islamic terror groups go way back in time, but Twentieth Century American foreign policy has caused it to come to a head over the last 50 years.
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That may be true for some of it but in the case of ISIS and this current situation i would disagree. Iran and the Sunnis have brought about a lot of this.
 
The US should have been way more proactive.

For more than a year, the Iraqi government has been pleading with the U.S. for additional help to combat the insurgency, which has been fueled by the civil war in neighboring Syria. Northern Iraq has become a way station for insurgents who routinely travel between the two countries and are spreading the Syrian war's violence.

Iraqi leaders made a fresh request earlier this week, asking for a mix of drones and manned aircraft that could be used for both surveillance and active missions. Officials said Obama was considering those requests and was expected to decide on a course of action within a few days.

The U.S. already is flying unmanned aircraft over Iraq for intelligence purposes, an official said.

Short of airstrikes, the president could step up the flow of military assistance to the beleaguered Iraqi government, increase training exercises for the country's security forces and help boost Iraq's intelligence capabilities. The U.S. has been leery of its lethal aid falling into the hands of militants or being otherwise misused.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. is sending about $12 million in humanitarian aid to help nearly a million Iraqis who have been forced from their homes by recent fighting.

Vice President Joe Biden discussed the deteriorating security situation Thursday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The White House said Biden underscored that while the U.S. stands ready to help, it would be crucial for Iraq to come up with longer-term solutions to its internal political strife.

Nearly all American troops left Iraq in December 2011 after Washington and Baghdad failed to negotiate a security agreement that would have kept a limited number of U.S. forces in the country for a few more years at least.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a frequent White House critic, called on Thursday for Obama's entire national security team to resign. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, accused the president of "taking a nap" while conditions worsened.

But Congress appeared divided over how to respond, with some Republicans backing airstrikes and other lawmakers from both parties suggesting that was the wrong approach.

There were no calls for putting American troops back on the ground in Iraq, and Obama's advisers said the president had no desire to plunge the U.S. back into a conflict there.

"The president is mindful that the United States has sacrificed a lot in Iraq and we need to not just be taking this all back on ourselves," said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser. "We need to come up with solutions that can enable the Iraqis to manage their internal security and their internal politics."

Even after American troops left Iraq, the U.S. has continued to send weapons and ammunition - although not nearly as much as Baghdad has requested. A U.S. training mission for Iraqi counterterror forces dwindled to almost nothing earlier this year, and Baghdad asked as early as last summer for armed U.S. drones to track and strike terrorist hideouts.

The administration resisted, and similarly rejected options for airstrikes in neighboring Syria.

Instead, the U.S. Embassy has sold small scout helicopters, tanks, guns, rockets and at least 300 Hellfire missiles to Iraqi forces. A U.S. shipment of ScanEagle surveillance drones is to be delivered to Iraq later this summer, and the State Department is trying to speed an order of Apache helicopters to Baghdad. Additionally, Congress is reviewing a $1 billion order of arms, including Humvee vehicles, to Iraq.

http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/obama-us-will-send-fresh-help-to-beleaguered-iraq-1.288630
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Garyvdh said:
The seeds of the formation of Islamic terror groups go way back in time, but Twentieth Century American foreign policy has caused it to come to a head over the last 50 years.
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No, the USA was being deliberately targeted.

September 11, 2001 was directly rooted in a joint Soviet/Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operation conceived in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The object of this joint operation was to repair Moscow's prestige by turning the Islamic world against Israel and by creating a rabid and violent hatred for its main supporter, the United States. The strategy was to portray the US, this land of freedom, as a Nazi-style "imperial-Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion" (the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress), the aim of which was allegedly to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. In other words, the heart of the joint plan was to convert the historical Arab and Islamic hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States. We threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers.

Don't forget the neverending, infamous Russian treachery, as mentioned in the quoted piece here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...in-Ukraine?p=12762579&viewfull=1#post12762579

Nor, the depth of their hatred: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/zeldis10.html

But the biggest spending of the war on terror has all been post 9/11.

Dealing with the problem in a satisfactory way is going to take a sea change and fundamental shift in American Foreign policy... at least as far as Islamic states are concerned.
It involves the negation and dilution of the worst elements of Radical Islam.
Britain actually should have followed this route a long time ago as well.
They should have been cultivating the teaching and spread of moderate and liberal Islamic principles through non-violent means.

Let's put it this way.

Radical Islam takes young boys who are hungry and looking for meaning in life and makes them into martyrs and robotic freedom fighters
To counter that...
They should have targeted that same demographic and taken those young boys and turned them into iPod carrying, pimpled geeks, hipsters and jocks, who care more about their movies and clothes than what their Imam is teaching at the Mosque on Friday. In other words, turn them into global consumers.
$3.5 Trillion dollars would have bought every family in the Middle East enough materialism to trigger this change.
It's simple, give them all access to the Internet and to Satellite TV for free (even if their governments ban it).

This was actually the guiding light of the Arab Dawn... it was what the young Arab youth wanted before their revolution was hijacked by the Radicals.
It is still happening to a large extent in Turkey and Egypt.
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The Russians also cannot cultivate or teach moderate Islam...No one can stop the true Islam, eventually affecting those exposed to it's teachings.

As I've posted links on before, it's more likely to be the well off, educated kids that become suicide bombers. London 7/7 and Boston bombers types.

All of the following links should be read in full, to understand the futility of trying to "moderate" the Islam one allows, as in Russia's Hanafi state approved version.

http://www.politicsandreligionjournal.com/images/pdf_files/srpski/godina3_broj2/Analiza 3.pdf

https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mesh/2009/11/russias-muslim-strategy/ for the pdf,

or http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...ssias-domestic-muslim-strategy-lurking-threat for the web page.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140722/robert-d-crews/moscow-and-the-mosque

http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/summer2013/tatarstan-battle-islam-russias-heartland

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Russia-has-a-Muslim-dilemma-Ethnic-Russians-2466527.php#page-1

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ue-sparks-controversy-in-russia-a-723799.html
 
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marine1 said:
Would not surprise me is the Obam bam administration is funding the other side too. Remember its all about the oil and Obama has been shown to be a complete liar.
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No, but they do fund rebel groups who fight ISIS in Syria.
 
Even Al Qaeda thinks ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) is too extreme. That's the group which is beheading priests and other Christians as well as more moderate Muslims in Syria. Who probably is getting their guns from the West and other sources?

Iran is stepping in to help defend Baghdad against these Sunni guys. Meanwhile the Iraqi army trained by the West is running away.
 
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