The Islamic State Thread

It's not a precedent for intervention, it's the future of war.

Shortly after 1400 GMT, US drones destroyed a mortar position and killed a group of militants. Just over an hour later four F/A-18 jets hit a seven-vehicle Islamic State convoy with eight laser-guided bombs.

Agreed totally, but who was pointing the laser?

Still special ops on the ground no?

But you are right, remove humans and take technology to the field.
Guess those 4k TV's will have content soon?
 
Shortly after 1400 GMT, US drones destroyed a mortar position and killed a group of militants. Just over an hour later four F/A-18 jets hit a seven-vehicle Islamic State convoy with eight laser-guided bombs.

Agreed totally, but who was pointing the laser?

Still special ops on the ground no?

But you are right, remove humans and take technology to the field.
Guess those 4k TV's will have content soon?

Laser guided bombs dont have to have someone on the ground to direct them but if it is being directed from the ground it could be the Kurds.
 
Sorry for edit, was re-post.

Personally I don't think the Kurd forces would be allowed to guide US armaments.
Your thoughts?

You can correct me at any time but laser guided is from the ground?

Excuse my ignorance on this one.
 
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Sorry for edit, was re-post.

Personally I don't think the Kurd forces would be allowed to guide US armaments.
Your thoughts?

Yeah probably unlikely but i suppose it depends on what type of contacts the US military has with the Kurds on the ground. The US do have military advisers in the Kurdish capital.

You can correct me at any time but laser guided is from the ground?

Excuse my ignorance on this one.

It can be guided from the ground but it doesnt have to be, it can also be guided by another support aircraft or a pod on the aircraft itself, i think one of these is the most likely scenario.
 
I guess this could be the precedent for the future of intervention?
Minimal risk with a serious consequences on the ground for those targeted?

That is debatable in the current situation, so ISIS lost a mortar and a few Toyota bakkies's in the airstrikes.
Things to consider:
The situation on the ground is extremely fluid
ISIS operates in small teams, seldom en masse
There are very few set positions, I.E. they encounter resistance they shift to another town or target until they can return at a later date.
They seem to be mainly urban guerrilla's, infiltrating towns, setting up a co-op type base and then expanding into the town or city.
Their equipment seem to be light man portable in most cases, otherwise fitted to converted commercial vehicles, which affords them mobility and stealth, without being bogged down by heavy equipment.
This doesnt make for easy targeting or counter strikes.

While airstrikes and drone attacks will no doubt have an effect here and there, and may prevent ISIS from gaining more ground in certain place, their overall effect in the long run is doubtfull.
ISIS just has to consolidate its territory, lick its wounds and play the waiting game, because the only they will really be removed is through a full sweep with troops on the ground.
A scenario the U.S. cannot afford and doesnt really need or want at this time.
However, to their credit, they seem to be doing what they can under the circumstances, which is, fly a few missions, utilise a few drones, and assist the refugees to the best of their ability.
 
Yeah probably unlikely but i suppose it depends on what type of contacts the US military has with the Kurds on the ground. The US do have military advisers in the Kurdish capital.



It can be guided from the ground but it doesnt have to be, it can also be guided by another support aircraft or a pod on the aircraft itself, i think one of these is the most likely scenario.

Agreed.
 
@Nanfeishen

thanks that is a good post that educates me on this topic.

Google is my friend;
"The 500-pound (225 kg) bomb employed against ISIS is the GBU-12, which uses a laser beam to guide it precisely onto a target. The beam can be provided by either the attacking aircraft or troops on the ground.

The Pentagon gave no indication of how long the attacks on ISIS would last."

Sauce = http://www.ibtimes.com/us-deploys-navys-boeing-fa-18-hit-isis-targets-kurdistan-1653150

(and yes I know it's source, but sauce is more fun)
 
@Nanfeishen

thanks that is a good post that educates me on this topic.

No problem

Google is my friend;
"The 500-pound (225 kg) bomb employed against ISIS is the GBU-12, which uses a laser beam to guide it precisely onto a target. The beam can be provided by either the attacking aircraft or troops on the ground.

Here is a Fun fact,
The GBU-12 costs about US $21,896 , whereas the average Toyotat Hilux costs about US $18000 in most of the Arab countries.
So the U.S. has to hit a convoy of a minimum of at least 5 Toyota's to get their money's worth. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-12_Paveway_II
http://www.drivearabia.com/ultimatecarbuyerguide/uae/carpage.php/Toyota-Hilux/2012-2013-2014-/697
 
Conversation with muslim mate at work about ISIS

Him: It's good, they're Sunni, and they're killing Shi'a and hopefully they'll kill all the Israelis next

I had no response...islam needs to join the 21st century
 
What time is the anti US march in Cape Town next weekend?

:whistle:
 
Conversation with muslim mate at work about ISIS

Him: It's good, they're Sunni, and they're killing Shi'a and hopefully they'll kill all the Israelis next

I had no response...islam needs to join the 21st century

Thats seems to be the norm around here. Isis and their supporters are not part of the 90% mainstream Islam just a Islamic spinoff to feed their own hunger for violence and intimidation in the name of Allah.
 
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Surely a GBU-12 will take out more than one land cruiser?
I mean with shrapnel and all?

@Spizz, right now.

@Nivek; unfortunately in the 13/14th century the Christian crusaders had the same ideology,
convert or die...

Times change for various religions.
Christianity has been around 600yrs more?

I assume we have a time lag from BC/AC to the respected Mohammed's life?

I am not sure,
but the technology of this front, let alone the geopolitics, is more of an interest to me.

Since I am a agnostic/atheist.

I just fear the intervention of the regional players (powers?) re the Sunni/Shi'a,
then the big boys getting involved. (and on which side, guess the oil side?)

Geopolitics and tech being tested to its limits here no?
 
Surely a GBU-12 will take out more than one land cruiser?
I mean with shrapnel and all?

@Spizz, right now.

@Nivek; unfortunately in the 13/14th century the Christian crusaders had the same ideology,
convert or die...

Times change for various religions.
Christianity has been around 600yrs more?

I assume we have a time lag from BC/AC to the respected Mohammed's life?

I am not sure,
but the technology of this front, let alone the geopolitics, is more of an interest to me.

Since I am a agnostic/atheist.

I just fear the intervention of the regional players (powers?) re the Sunni/Shi'a,
then the big boys getting involved. (and on which side, guess the oil side?)

Geopolitics and tech being tested to its limits here no?

Did every other religion adjust and evolve because of age or because science over the past 100 or so years has made a lot of the texts laughable? The world has changed, people are probably better people now.. Islam has mostly chosen to ignore this and the koran is still taken literally word for word...
 
Hi Nivek,

I suspect I derailed this thread.
please note I do not want to make this a religious debate.
I have no skills/knowledge on these topics, (amongst no knowledge of many other topics)

Apologies if I have.

I am just interested in the tech and Geopolitics of this story.

back on track;

****e seems to be hitting the fan big time?

Where to from here?

How much influence does Iran/Saudi Kingdom have in this.
Could they eventually form an alliance vs ISIS
That would be interesting if it were to occur.

Troubling times no doubt?
 
Well, the bath party gassed a town that now constitutes a 1/3rd of the IS forces according to German media. There is clearly a sectarian religious aspect to this conflict and the funders will likely want their pound of flesh for their investment. Wars by proxy have that going for them, except that Turkey is now astounded to find IS claims to parts of their territory...proxy wars allow string pullers to wash their hands but mercenaries have allegiance to money and power historically.

Even during the crusades, the feudal lords were mostly in it for the money and when they didn't get much loot in Jerusalem they eventually sacked Constantinople (oath of fealtly or not).

Oddly, many of the Christians massacred stem from peoples displaced out of Jerusalem by the first Caliphate's conquest of Jerusalem 600 something AD. Now centuries later they face the same fate. It's amazing how far back the history goes with some of these peoples. 4000 years is assumed for the Jesidic culture.
 
This is not COD. If they have Russian armaments from Iran and Saudi then they likely have such capabilities, though not much is known yet. USA excels at electronic warfare countermeasures in any area of operation.
 
Kurdish Forces Prepare to Counterattack the Islamic State

Kurdish peshmerga forces in northern Iraq are preparing to launch a counterattack against the Islamic State-led hardline Sunni insurgents that seized a large chunk of their territory over the weekend in a shock defeat.

The peshmerga will be supported by the Iraqi Air Force, central government officials said today, in one of the first signs of a united response against the insurgents since they took control of large parts of northern Iraq in June. Local media reports say Iraqi jets bombed militant positions in the region today.

The Islamic State, formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), advanced into areas which had been under Kurdish control on Sunday — including the towns of Zumar and Sinjar, and the Ain Zalah oil field. There were conflicting reports about whether the Islamic State has seized control of the strategically important Mosul Dam.

The dam would allow the Islamic State to generate power or supply water to areas under their control, but could also be weaponized to cause droughts or floods for cities downstream. The oil field, meanwhile, is the fifth controlled by the group, potentially allowing it to increase revenues still further.

The seeming ease with which the insurgents advanced into Kurdish territory was a major blow to the peshmerga, who appeared to have held firm while Iraqi government forces fled. However, Kurdish leadership seems determined to win back what they've lost.

Here's who is fighting in Iraq and why. Read more here.

Massoud Barzani, president of the autonomous Kurdish territories, recently promised that peshmerga would soon be supplied with "advanced weapons," according to local media. Officials have since stated that troops with powerful armaments — reported to include new tanks and artillery — had been deployed to the region.

Reinforcements have also arrived in the form of the People's Protection Units (YPG), the main Kurdish force in Syria, according to reports.

A peshmerga colonel who described Sunday's retreat as "tactical" told Reuters that he expected to reclaim all lost territory as well as Iraq's second city of Mosul, which fell to the Islamic State last month, within three days. "We will attack them until they are completely destroyed we will never show any mercy," he said. "We have given them enough chance and we will even take Mosul back. I believe within the next 48-72 hours it will be over."

In the meantime though, the Islamic State's advance has sown the seeds of a humanitarian crisis. Sinjar is home to a large population of Yazidis, Kurdish-speaking members of a religion which takes elements from Islam alongside ancient Iranian Zoroastrianism. However, the Islamic State considers them to be apostates and, as the extremist Sunni group advanced, as many as 200,000 civilians, mainly Yazidis, fled possible persecution, a spokesperson for the UN Secretary-General said. Residents in Sinjar told the New York Times that Yazidis there had already been murdered and kidnapped.

Inside Baghdad's increasingly crowded morgue. Read more here.

The UN also called for Kurdish leaders to work more closely with Baghdad, saying: "The Secretary-General is particularly appalled by the humanitarian crisis the actions by IS and associated armed groups have triggered and calls upon the Government of Iraq and the Kurdistan Regional Government to put their differences aside and work closely together in addressing the urgent security needs of the nation, and adequately protecting and safeguarding the people and territorial integrity of Iraq."

US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki echoed these concerns. "We are gravely concerned for the safety of civilians in these areas, including the vulnerable minority communities who for years have been targeted by ISIL and its progenitor, al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)," she said in a statement yesterday. "We deeply regret the displacement of innocent civilians and mourn the loss of life from recent fighting, including from the ranks of courageous Kurdish peshmerga units who have been fighting to defend these areas."

The US is currently sharing information with ISF and peshmerga commanders, Psaki revealed, adding a call for Iraqi lawmakers to break a political deadlock which has held since April elections and move to form a new government representing all of Iraq's ethnic and religious groups.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's relationship with the country's Kurds has been strained for years. It deteriorated still further in recent weeks when Kurdish forces moved into disputed areas in the north of the country — the push included taking singlehanded control of Kirkuk — after the militant advance in June. Barzani has since said that Kurds would hold onto the disputed regions and seized oil fields near Kirkuk, then made the first steps towards a referendum on independence.

https://news.vice.com/article/kurdish-forces-prepare-to-counterattack-the-islamic-state

Thats an important development. They are finally working together.
 
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