The Islamic State Thread

Nanfeishen said:
Actually they removed the glue that held the country together, the same glue that also seperated Iraq's ethnic and religious divisions.
And, instead of replacing it with something stronger, or better, they expected it to stand up on its own.
Really stupid and short sighted.
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Saddam was the glue?
 
Alan said:
In any case the cause of the current crises ironically was the non-interventionist approach to Syria and withdrawing the troops from Iraq in 2010
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Yep, typical domino effect.

OrbitalDawn said:
A genocidal despot glue? Okay then.
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Not disputing that, but he was still someone that could have been negotiated with to some degree, at the moment the whole place is just a cluster-F and FUBAR.
Under Saddam roughly 250 000 dead in 25 years of rule.
Over 500 000 dead since 2003 , double the number in less than half the time. :(
And this is almost a year old so that number is surely quite a bit higher by now considering the current events.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html
 
Nanfeishen said:
Yep, typical domino effect.



Not disputing that, but he was still someone that could have been negotiated with to some degree, at the moment the whole place is just a cluster-F and FUBAR.
Under Saddam roughly 250 000 dead in 25 years of rule.
Over 500 000 dead since 2003 , double the number in less than half the time. :(
And this is almost a year old so that number is surely quite a bit higher by now considering the current events.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html
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You forgot the Al-Anfal Campaign.

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq
 
Unfortunately the US caused a power vacuum and this scum has risen to fill it.

Contrary to popular belief democracy isn't suitable for all societies. Some countries need the stability that a firm dictatorship offers.
 
UK DROPS MORE AID IN IRAQ, READIES JETS FOR SURVEILLANCE

Britain made a second airdrop of aid to refugees in northern Iraq, officials said Tuesday, as Tornado fighter jets were readied to provide surveillance support for the humanitarian effort.

The Royal Air Force (RAF) was forced to abandon a drop on Monday because of fears of injuring people on the ground, but a repeat attempt overnight was successful, the Department for International Development said.

Two aid drops have now been made of water and solar lamps that can also be used to charge mobile phones.

Britain is also preparing to deploy a "small number" of Tornado jets to gather information to help deliver aid to civilians fleeing Islamic State (IS) militants, Prime Minister David Cameron's Downing Street office said.

"We have decided to pre-position a small number of Tornados in the region so that they could, if required, use their excellent surveillance capability to gather better situational awareness to help with humanitarian effort," a spokeswoman said.

"This would be similar to the role the Tornado played in the UK earlier this year, gathering information on the areas affected by the severe floods."

Ministers have repeatedly said they have no plans to join the United States in conducting military strikes on IS forces, but for some, the prospect of sending in jets raises the stakes.

The Times newspaper reported the Tornado move under a front page headline "Jets ready for combat", and cited anonymous defence sources stating that the mission could "quickly evolve into a wider combat role".

A number of retired generals have been calling for tougher British action, including General Richard Shirreff, who was Britain's most senior officer in NATO until March and resigned from the army last week.

Shirreff told The Times that the government was "terrified" of deploying troops ahead of the general election in May, but warned: "The longer we sit on our hands and prevaricate, the more dangerous the situation is going to become."

Any decision to take military action in Iraq, three years after British forces pulled out following an eight-year occupation with the United States, would likely require a vote in the House of Commons.

Parliament is on summer recess until September 1 and several MPs are calling for a recall. However, the government has said it has no plans to do this at the moment.

Cameron suffered a humiliating defeat last year when MPs refused to authorise air strikes in Syria.


Source : Sapa-AFP /lk
Date : 12 Aug 2014 11:03
 
This whole forcing people to become Muslim is absurd and those Muslims doing it should be condemned for eternity.

We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had Allah willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to Allah and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

[Say]: “You have your religion and I have my religion.” (Surah Al-Kafirun, 6)

There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned. Right guidance has become clearly distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false deities and believes in Allah has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat al-Baqara, 256)
 
ISIS are a terrorist organisation. Who actually funds these nut jobs.
 
Fury05 said:
ISIS Is Ignoring Islam’s Teachings on Yazidis and Christians

Here's what the Prophet and the Quran really say about how to treat the two faith groups

http://time.com/3093732/isis-iraq-yazidis-and-christians/

These people should really be stopped.
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Interesting! Thanks.

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
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I trust in the intelligence reviews made available by IHS, do note that IHS will by no means report on sides where there are established terrorist groups. Reading their articles on Hamas, ISIS and other groups, as well as the Pro-Russian rebels are troubling, like this:

http://www.janes.com/article/41708/...ning-from-syria-and-iraq-pose-a-security-risk

German security service warns that militants returning from Syria and Iraq pose a security risk

The German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz: BfV) claimed on 7 August that there was an increasing number of German citizens leaving the country to fight in Syria and Iraq.

The domestic security service declared that it was particularly concerned about militants returning from war zones, as they often receive military training while abroad and tend to be more radicalised than before their departure. According to the BfV, more than 400 German citizens have travelled to Syria since the conflict began in 2011, and the agency believes that there are around 43,000 violence-prone Islamists currently living in Germany.
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Garyvdh said:
Read the link for proof...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/isis-iraq-numbers_n_5659239.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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From your link

$3,000,000
The estimated daily revenue of the Islamic State, from its oil and gas resources alone. Fighters with the group have taken control of oil and gas fields across northern Iraq and Syria, and it “now controls a volume of resources and territory unmatched in the history of extremist organizations,” according to Janine Davidson of the Council of Foreign Relations.
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Fulcrum29 said:
Uhm, you argued an valid claim by Gary... Gary had a non-issue with the oil.
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Uhm no i didnt, i wasnt arguing the claim that ISIS stole money. When asked who funds ISIS Gary said "nobody" to which i replied its not true. Obviously whoever is giving them $3m a day for oil is funding them.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Uhm no i didnt, i wasnt arguing the claim that ISIS stole money. When asked who funds ISIS Gary said "nobody" to which i replied its not true. Obviously whoever is giving them $3m a day for oil is funding them.
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$3m a day is pocket change when compared to $2 Billion. It's negligible. So you might as well say they don't need any funding.
I was well aware of the $3M a day - it was mentioned in the link I posted at #528.... but it's really irrelevant compared to the $2Bn.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Uhm no i didnt, i wasnt arguing the claim that ISIS stole money. When asked who funds ISIS Gary said "nobody" to which i replied its not true. Obviously whoever is giving them $3m a day for oil is funding them.
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http://blogs.cfr.org/davidson/2014/07/24/isis-hasnt-gone-anywhere-and-its-getting-stronger/

Meanwhile, these gains from Syria are being used to bolster the war effort in Iraq. As McClatchy reports:

The capture of nearly all Syria’s oil and gas has proved a financial bonanza for the Islamic State, which appears to be trying to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis and Syrians by guaranteeing low oil prices.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a London-based anti-government group, said fuel tankers with Iraqi license plates and driven by Iraqi nationals have entered Syria and reached Al Omar oilfield near Deir el Zour in the last few days, waiting to be filled with oil before they return to Iraq through the territory controlled by the Islamic State.

The observatory said the group is selling oil to Syrian dealers for $12 a barrel, on the condition that those dealers sell them for no more than $18 a barrel to civilians, in an attempt to win support from people living in territories under its control.
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They are looking at making $6 a barrel? In the end the Syrian dealers are pretty much their own.
 
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