The Islamic State Thread

That last opinion, is completely bloody retarded...

I worry about some of the others, but they're at least moderate to a degree, that last one though... boy deserves a PK.
 
That last opinion, is completely bloody retarded...

I worry about some of the others, but they're at least moderate to a degree, that last one though... boy deserves a PK.
I suspect people like that were most likely bullied as children and now they are seeking ways to have some power over the big, high school rugby boys :rolleyes:
 
I suspect people like that were most likely bullied as children and now they are seeking ways to have some power over the big, high school rugby boys :rolleyes:

To a degree I would guess you're right, but to want the caliph to annex all other countries until we're under a single rule is more than just slightly intolerant of the many differing points of view on this planet. Personally I wouldn't want to live under Islamic rule, let alone Islamic rule that implements Sharia. I enjoy my freedoms.
 
To a degree I would guess you're right, but to want the caliph to annex all other countries until we're under a single rule is more than just slightly intolerant of the many differing points of view on this planet. Personally I wouldn't want to live under Islamic rule, let alone Islamic rule that implements Sharia. I enjoy my freedoms.
Shariah literally means "the way", loosely translated as the law of God or Law of Islam. To me that Law should be tailored to the society it applies to, still encompassing the core of goodness and prohibition of evil, not a society where everyone is forced to be Muslim.

This "caliphate" is insane. Muslims are a minority as a whole, so in essence these groups are killing people in the name of Islam only to increase their numbers so eventually they would have ability to have an all encompassing rule of humanity. Just read an article now saying that the agenda is to kill off all moderate Muslims or "hypocrites" as they put it before getting rid of the kaafirs (unbelievers). Now we have Muslims who want to kill Muslims as well.
 
Shariah literally means "the way", loosely translated as the law of God or Law of Islam. To me that Law should be tailored to the society it applies to, still encompassing the core of goodness and prohibition of evil, not a society where everyone is forced to be Muslim.

This "caliphate" is insane. Muslims are a minority as a whole, so in essence these groups are killing people in the name of Islam only to increase their numbers so eventually they would have ability to have an all encompassing rule of humanity. Just read an article now saying that the agenda is to kill off all moderate Muslims or "hypocrites" as they put it before getting rid of the kaafirs (unbelievers). Now we have Muslims who want to kill Muslims as well.

Oddly enough, I know the idealistic version of Shariah (sorry, got the spelling wrong), but yeah, I've yet to see a realistic implementation of it that I would be happy to live under. Plus I'm very much against living under a religious law (even though the Roman Dutch law system we are based off has religious roots, its trying to be non-religious generally)
 
KURDS RETAKE KEY IRAQ DAM, SUNNIS HIT JIHADISTS
by Serene Assir

Iraqi Kurdish fighters backed by US warplanes retook the country's largest dam from jihadists on Sunday, as Sunni Arab tribesmen and security forces fought the militants west of Baghdad.

The recapture of Mosul dam marks the biggest prize yet clawed back from Islamic State (IS) jihadists since they launched a major offensive in northern Iraq in early June, sweeping Iraqi security forces aside.

IS militants, who have declared a "caliphate" straddling vast areas of Iraq and Syria, also came under air attack in their Syrian stronghold of Raqa on Sunday, a monitoring group said.

Two months of violence have brought Iraq to the brink of breakup, and world powers relieved by the exit of divisive premier Nuri al-Maliki are sending aid to the hundreds of thousands who have fled their homes as well as arms to the Kurdish peshmerga forces.

Buoyed by the air strikes US President Barack Obama ordered last week, Kurdish forces are fighting to win back ground they had lost since the start of August, when the jihadists went back on the offensive north, east and west of the city of Mosul, capturing the dam on August 7.

"Mosul Dam was liberated completely," Ali Awni, an official from Iraq's main Kurdish party, told AFP, a statement also confirmed by another party official and a Kurdish security forces officer.

A senior Iraqi army officer told AFP that while the fighting had ended, some areas around the dam were still inaccessible due to bombs planted by the militants.

The dam breakthrough came after US warplanes and drones pummelled the militants fighting against the Kurdish advance on Saturday and again on Sunday.

The US Central Command reported that the military had carried out 14 air strikes Sunday near the dam, which, located on the Tigris river, provides electricity and irrigation water for farming to much of the region.

CENTCOM said the strikes destroyed 10 IS armed vehicles, seven IS Humvees, two armoured personnel carriers and one IS checkpoint.

In Syria's Raqa, the Syrian air force carried out 16 raids on the city of Raqa and several more on the town of Tabqa in Raqa province, killing at least 31 jihadists and eight civilians, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The air strikes were the "most intensive" against the IS since the jihadists joined the anti-regime revolt in that country in spring 2013, the Observatory said.

"The regime wants to show the Americans that it is also capable of striking the IS," said the Britain-based group's director, Rami Abdel Rahman.

On another battlefront, security forces backed by Sunni Arab tribal militia made gains against the jihadists in Iraq's Anbar province, west of the provincial capital Ramadi, police said.

Fighting was also taking place near the strategic Euphrates Valley town of Haditha, located near another important dam, police Staff Major General Ahmed Sadag said.

The rallying of more than two dozen Sunni tribes to the government side on Friday marked a potential turning point in the fightback against the jihadists and their allies.

The militants were able to sweep through the Sunni Arab heartland north and west of Baghdad in June, encountering little effective resistance, and Iraqi federal security forces have yet to make significant headway in regaining ground.

Anbar was the birthplace of the Sahwa, or Awakening, movement of Sunni tribes that from late 2006 sided with US forces against their co-religionists in Al-Qaeda, helping turn the tide against that insurgency.

In the north, members of minority groups including the Yazidis, Christians, Shabak and Turkmen, remain under threat of kidnapping or death at the hands of the jihadists.

On Friday, IS fighters killed around 80 Yazidi Kurds in the village of Kocho near the northwestern town of Sinjar, Kurdish officials said.

The jihadist' storming of Sinjar on August 3 sent tens of thousands of civilians fleeing onto Mount Sinjar, prompting an international aid operation and helping to trigger the launch of US air strikes.

The Yazidis' non-Muslim faith is anathema to the Sunni extremists of IS.

Human rights groups and residents say IS fighters have been demanding that religious minorities in the Mosul region either convert or leave, unleashing violent reprisals on any who refuse.

Amnesty International, which has been documenting mass abductions in the Sinjar area, says IS kidnapped thousands of Yazidis in this month's offensive.

Tens of thousands have fled, most of them seeking refuge in areas of northern Iraq under Kurdish control, or in neighbouring Syria.


Source : Sapa-AFP /dm
Date : 17 Aug 2014 21:32
 
IS COULD COME TO STREETS OF BRITAIN, WARNS PM CAMERON

Islamic State fighters sweeping across Syria and Iraq are a direct threat to Britain and the country must use all tools available to halt their advance, Prime Minister David Cameron said Sunday.

Cameron said that while it would not be right to send an army into Iraq, some degree of military involvement was justified due to the threat that an expanding "terrorist state" would pose to Europe and its allies.

"If we do not act to stem the onslaught of this exceptionally dangerous terrorist movement, it will only grow stronger until it can target us on the streets of Britain," Cameron wrote in The Sunday Telegraph.

"I agree that we should avoid sending armies to fight or occupy, but we need to recognise that the brighter future we long for requires a long-term plan."

Cameron argued that security could only be achieved "if we use all our resources -- aid, diplomacy, our military prowess" and said he planned to send a British representative to the Kurdish region.

He did not spell out how Britain's military could be used, but said he was considering sending body armour and counter-explosive equipment to arm Kurdish forces against the jihadists.

So far, Britain has sent a spy plane to monitor for attacks on minorities in northern Iraq and Tornado fighter jets to help with the humanitarian mission to aid thousands of fleeing refugees.

Chinook helicopters are on standby in the region in case needed for aid work, and Britain has already delivered weapons from other states to Iraq.

Conservative MP and chair of parliament's Defence Committee Rory Stewart said Islamic State fighters were using sophisticated United States-made weaponry seized from Iraqi troops.

"If we're as serious as we need to be about defending Kurdistan, defending the minorities from this incredibly brutal regime... we need to make sure the Kurds have the equipment with which to defend themselves," Stewart told Sky News.

"That isn't about British boots on the ground, but it's about when the Peshmerga troops are out there, they at least out-gun the people who are coming up against them and hold their territory."

Cameron said the fight against the extremists would also take place in Britain, and anyone who tried to recruit people to the movement or flew the black flag of Islamic State would be arrested.

The government has removed 28,000 pieces of "terrorist-related material" from the internet, including 46 videos related to IS.

British authorities were particularly concerned about fighters travelling from the country to join extremist causes in the middle east, fearing they could be a danger if they return to Britain.

Cameron's plans for military action in Syria were rejected by parliament last year and he would likely struggle to gain support for sending troops back to Iraq after a controversial US-led invasion in 2003.

But opposition Labour MP Ann Clwyd said "it is just a matter of time" before Britain sends in troops. "We cannot stand by and watch a genocide take place," she said.

Politician Nadhim Zahawi, a Conservative member of parliament who is of Kurdish Iraqi descent, said following a trip to the region that between 500 and 750 fighters had joined the Islamic state from Britain.

"A senior Kurdish leader reported to me that one dead jihadi was found with a Liverpool FC membership card in his wallet," Zahawi wrote in The Mail on Sunday.

Cameron said the fight could require unorthodox alliances, and that Britain needed to work with countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Egypt, Turkey "and perhaps even with Iran".

"We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous ideology, which I believe we will be fighting for the rest of my political lifetime," Cameron wrote.

His comments came after the Church of England slammed the government for not having "a coherent or comprehensive approach to Islamic extremism" in a letter in The Observer newspaper.

On Friday, the European Union agreed to support member states' arming of Iraqi Kurdish fighters, who have military equipment dating back to the Soviet era.


Source : Sapa-AFP /dm
Date : 17 Aug 2014 22:43
 
OBAMA TELLS LAWMAKERS IRAQ STRIKES IN US INTEREST

US President Barack Obama told Congress on Sunday that the "limited" airstrikes he has authorized on Iraq to retake its largest dam from militants protected US interests there.

National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said the airstrikes supporting security forces were consistent with the War Powers Resolution, which requires congressional approval before the president can launch the country into war.

The strikes have been conducted since Friday at the request of the Iraqi government, according to Hayden. Backed by the US warplanes, Iraqi Kurdish fighters retook Mosul dam earlier Sunday.

It marked the biggest prize yet clawed back from Islamic State militants since they launched a major offensive in northern Iraq in early June.

"On the evening of August 15, 2014, US military forces commenced targeted airstrike operations in Iraq," Obama said in his letter to House Speaker John Boehner and the Senate's number two Patrick Leahy.

"These military operations will be limited in their scope and duration as necessary to support the Iraqi forces in their efforts to retake and establish control of this critical infrastructure site."

Highlighting the stakes at hand, Obama noted that "the failure of the Mosul dam could threaten the lives of large numbers of civilians, endanger US personnel and facilities, including the US Embassy in Baghdad, and prevent the Iraqi government from providing critical services to the Iraqi populace."

"I have directed these actions, which are in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct US foreign relations and as commander in chief and chief executive," Obama wrote.

Earlier, US Central Command said its forces conducted 14 airstrikes, damaging or destroying 10 armed vehicles, seven Humvees, two armored personnel carriers and one checkpoint operated by the militants.

A subsequent series of strikes by fighter and attack aircraft destroyed three IS armed vehicles, a vehicle-mounted anti-aircraft artillery gun, a checkpoint and an emplacement for an improvised explosive device.

Another nine US airstrikes were conducted Saturday.

Since the War Powers Resolution was enacted in 1973, a succession of American presidents have unilaterally initiated military strikes or land invasions on numerous occasions without Congressional approval, invoking their constitutional authority as commander in chief.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 18 Aug 2014 00:51
 
BRITAIN'S EXPANDING ROLE IN IRAQ TO LAST MONTHS: MINISTER

Britain is stepping up its role in Iraq beyond a humanitarian mission and the involvement is set to last months, Defence Minister Michael Fallon said in comments published Monday.

"This is not simply a humanitarian mission," Michael Fallon said in comments run in The Times newspaper.

"We and other countries in Europe are determined to help the government of Iraq combat this new and very extreme form of terrorism that ISIL (Islamic State) is promoting."

Speaking to RAF pilots and other service personnel during a visit to an RAF base in Cyprus, the British defence minister said "there may well now be in the next few weeks and months other ways that we may need to help save life (and) protect people and we are going to need all of you again," The Guardian daily reported.

A spokesman for the defence ministry confirmed the comments.

However, the spokesman noted that Fallon had spoken on Saturday, before the release of comments by Prime Minister David Cameron that appeared to back some degree of military support but ruled out "sending armies to fight or occupy".

The Times reported that a small number of British soldiers briefly went into the Kurdish region of northern Iraq last week to prepare for a possible deployment of Chinook helicopters to save members of the Yazidi religious minority from a mountainside.

Six Tornado jets and a spy plane had begun flying beyond the Kurdish region to provide information on jihadists' movements that could be used in planning Iraqi military attacks in a "development that brings Britain closer to a direct combat role," the newspaper said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 18 Aug 2014 03:33
 
Oddly enough, I know the idealistic version of Shariah (sorry, got the spelling wrong), but yeah, I've yet to see a realistic implementation of it that I would be happy to live under. Plus I'm very much against living under a religious law (even though the Roman Dutch law system we are based off has religious roots, its trying to be non-religious generally)
Not sure on the spelling but that is how I spell it.

I look at it this way, we are going to live under "A" rule of someone's ideal Law, whether it be religious or secular. No matter how much we might disagree with the law of a particular land, we need to abide by it or vote for different leadership. This is why the "caliphate" is non sensical and false, I don't know which couple of billion Muslims gave them consensus to rule over Muslims, let alone Humanity. This is a Monarch or dictatorship, take your pick.
 
Not sure on the spelling but that is how I spell it.

I look at it this way, we are going to live under "A" rule of someone's ideal Law, whether it be religious or secular. No matter how much we might disagree with the law of a particular land, we need to abide by it or vote for different leadership. This is why the "caliphate" is non sensical and false, I don't know which couple of billion Muslims gave them consensus to rule over Muslims, let alone Humanity. This is a Monarch or dictatorship, take your pick.

Rational way of looking at it... which is precisely what I'd expect from you :)
 
As terrible as ISIS is, do you guys think that it might bring about Sunni moderation? Thoughts?
 
Sure... in Iraq but you still see moderate and extremist Islam around the world quite unified.

Do you mean moderate and extremist Islam unified in sharing Islamic principles and such? In other words, turning a blind eye or believing extremist practices are correct. Or the moderate branch unified against the extremist? I think Muslims need the latter to be honest. This thread is very quiet regarding that.
 
US CARRIES OUT 15 AIR STRIKES NEAR IRAQ DAM: MILITARY

US warplanes and drones carried out 15 air strikes on Monday against Islamic State militants battling for control of a major dam in northern Iraq, the military said.

Fighter jets, bombers and unmanned planes destroyed nine Islamic State positions and eight vehicles around the Mosul dam, where insurgents are fighting Kurdish forces, US Central Command said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 18 Aug 2014 18:12
 
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