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Some actual news : Clough tips United to do Quintuple.
CLOUGH BACKS FIVE-STAR UNITED
Posted 15/02/09 19:09
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Nigel Clough has tipped Manchester United to complete a remarkable quintuple after watching his side Derby side suffer an FA Cup demolition at Pride Park.

Nani and Darron Gibson effectively sealed a quarter-final tie at either Swansea or Fulham before half-time, with Cristiano Ronaldo and Danny Welbeck wrapping up a 4-1 win.

It means the world champions are just three victories away from winning England's oldest cup competition, having already booked a Carling Cup final clash with Tottenham at the start of next month.

Well-placed to complete a Premier League hat-trick as well and ready to face Inter Milan in the Champions League, United are still on course for five trophies after securing the FIFA Club World Cup.

"If anyone can do it they can," claimed Clough.

"If United had played Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea in that form they could have put four past them, they were that good.

"We have played against them three times this season now and this was the best they played."

Once Nani had opened the scoring with a magnificent 20-yard effort, United never looked like being headed.

And Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed Gibson had booked a place in United's line-up to face Spurs at Wembley with his display.

"Darron did really well," said Ferguson.

"He has got into the Carling Cup final team with that performance.

"He has played in every round, so he deserves it."

Ferguson also revealed Wayne Rooney has an outside chance of being fit to face Fulham on Wednesday, when United will look to take a five-point lead at the Premier League summit.

A more likely return date is Blackburn on Saturday given Carlos Tevez was rested here with Fulham specifically in mind.

Ferguson was more than slightly confused by the furore that accompanied a disallowed Ronaldo goal after Nani's opener.

Having failed to raise his flag immediately as Ronaldo chased Giggs' flick, the linesman then made his decision after the Portugal superstar had found the net.

"The linesman created his own confusion because he went so long, until after the goal had been scored, to say it was offside," said Ferguson.

"He said he was waiting to find out whether Ryan had touched it. Nevertheless, Ronaldo was still in an offside position.

"I have no complaints about the actual decision. It was the fact he waited so long. I did not understand the explanation."

Indeed, as Ferguson pointed out, referee Alan Wiley would have been within his rights to let Derby take the quick free-kick they wanted to, which would given them a free run at the United goal, with the visitors' outfield players all at the other end celebrating Ronaldo's 'goal'.

Not that it would have made much difference to the outcome, with Ferguson now interested in the result of Swansea's visit to Fulham in 10 days' time, when United are tackling Inter.

"You always hope for a home draw," he said.

"But that tie is not finished yet. We are one step away from Wembley if you look at the semi-final, so that is a big incentive for us."
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http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8699_4926346,00.html <--- This is called a link. It even contains the bit you quoted. :o
 
Trust Man United supporters to argue that the decision was wrong.

What is all ths fuss about? The correct decision was made at the end of the day, is that not good enough?

What SAF said:

But Sir Alex Ferguson was more than slightly confused by the furore that accompanied a disallowed Ronaldo goal after the opener.

Having failed to raise his flag immediately as Ronaldo chased Giggs' flick, the linesman then made his decision after the Portugal superstar had found the net.

"The linesman created his own confusion because he went so long, until after the goal had been scored, to say it was offside," said Ferguson.

"He said he was waiting to find out whether Ryan had touched it. Nevertheless, Ronaldo was still in an offside position. I have no complaints about the actual decision. It was the fact he waited so long. I did not understand the explanation."
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Had me laughing as well. SAF says it is offside but certain users still think that it was onside.

Link - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-ne...ple-says-derby-s-nigel-clough-55578-22935727/
 
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Genius. said:
Trust Man United supporters to argue that the decision was wrong.

What is all ths fuss about? The correct decision was made at the end of the day, is that not good enough?

What SAF said:



Had me laughing as well. SAF says it is offside but certain users still think that it was onside.

Link - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-ne...ple-says-derby-s-nigel-clough-55578-22935727/
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No need to re-link. That is already contained in my post just above yours. The problem was a) the fact that the attacking team is meant to get the advantage if there is doubt, and b) the linesman took too long in reaching a decision. Imagine if every time a goal went in, you have to wait until after the celebrations, to check if the flag is going to be raised. Madness.

Either way, it did not matter on the day, which is a good thing.

Quintuple here we come :)
 
He is allowed to take as long as he wants to get to the correct decision.

Its best he does not raise his flag until the decision is confirmed thus allowing the game to still continue to flow and not distract from the attempt at goal, incase he was wrong and giggs had not touched the ball.

Hence the team were getting praise for making sure their decision was 100% correct before stopping play.

Quintuple ?

Inter are looking good, so I dont see manu getting past them.

EPL looks like manu are on-track for that.Chelsea/Liverpool are not being consistant.

FA-Cup, dont think they have had a test in there yet, think this will come in the semis.
 
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SuPaStA said:
He is allowed to take as long as he wants to get to the correct decision.

Its best he does not raise his flag until the decision is confirmed thus allowing the game to still continue to flow and not distract from the attempt at goal, incase he was wrong and giggs had not touched the ball.

Hence the team were getting praise for making sure their decision was 100% correct before stopping play.
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As a linesman, you should make the decision there and then. If it is too close to call, the advantage goes to the attacker (like when there is not clear daylight between the players). If he cannot manage this much, then he should not be a linesman.

There are calls for third umpire type technologies in footy, but we are not there yet- thank goodness. As it stands, offside decisions are made on the spot.
 
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hj2k_x said:
No need to re-link. That is already contained in my post just above yours. The problem was a) the fact that the attacking team is meant to get the advantage if there is doubt, and b) the linesman took too long in reaching a decision. Imagine if every time a goal went in, you have to wait until after the celebrations, to check if the flag is going to be raised. Madness.

Either way, it did not matter on the day, which is a good thing.

Quintuple here we come :)
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Show me where the rule is that the official has to make the decision immidiately?

What crap are you talking about advantage? The reason why it is offside is cos United had an unfair advantage by Ronaldo being in an offside position!!!

Alex Ferguson said it was offside, why do you still try and justify why it was onside? Sometimes i shake my head in disbelieve how blind certain users are.

LoL - the Manager of the team says it was offside, but the supporters will still argue why it was onside.
 
Genius. said:
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Show me where the rule is that the official has to make the decision immidiately?

What crap are you talking about advantage? The reason why it is offside ic cos United had an unfair advantage by Ronaldo being in an offside position!!!

Alex Ferguson said it was offside, why do you still try and justify why it was onside? Sometimes i shake my head in disbelieve how blind certain users are.

LoL - the Manager of the team says it was offside, but the supporters will still argue why it was onside.
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I said, repeatedly, it was a close decision either way. Stay focused there mate.

Also, the 'crap' I am talking about advantage, is that it is meant to go to the attacking team. It has been that way for quite some time now. Maybe they don't have that rule for whatever football it is you choose to watch. Listen to the commentators of any game, they must say it at least twice in each game every week.

I am not arguing it was offside, but it is not surprising you are choosing to say that is what I am arguing so you can 'win' that argument.

Talk about sometimes I shake my head....:rolleyes:
 
hj2k_x said:
As a linesman, you should make the decision there and then. If it is too close to call, the advantage goes to the attacker (like when there is not clear daylight between the players). If he cannot manage this much, then he should not be a linesman.

There are calls for third umpire type technologies in footy, but we are not there yet- thank goodness. As it stands, offside decisions are made on the spot.
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He was offisde!

If he called it 3 seconds from the incident or 15 secs, it doesnt make a difference the player was in a OFFSIDE POSITION.

ffs even Ferguson is not that blind to see its offisde and he argues against the most obvious decisions.
 
SuPaStA said:
He was offisde!

If he called it 3 seconds from the incident or 15 secs, it doesnt make a difference the player was in a OFFSIDE POSITION.

ffs even Ferguson is not that blind to see its offisde and he argues against the most obvious decisions.
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Strange things to say. But in any case, I never knew you were such a passionate Derby supporter? I'd always heard that had really good fans....:rolleyes:
 
hj2k_x said:
I said, repeatedly, it was a close decision either way. Stay focused there mate.

Also, the 'crap' I am talking about advantage, is that it is meant to go to the attacking team. It has been that way for quite some time now. Maybe they don't have that rule for whatever football it is you choose to watch. Listen to the commentators of any game, they must say it at least twice in each game every week.

I am not arguing it was offside, but it is not surprising you are choosing to say that is what I am arguing so you can 'win' that argument.

Talk about sometimes I shake my head....:rolleyes:
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hj2k_x said:
The call was marginal. Advantage to the attacker if it is a close call. Linesman waited an age to make the decision, which was arguably incorrect with or without Giggs' flick.
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lol now you jumping onto the it was offside bandwagon....
 
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Strange things to say. But in any case, I never knew you were such a passionate Derby supporter? I'd always heard that had really good fans....:rolleyes:
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So I have to be a fan of a team to understand the offside rule or to comment on a decision?


:D:D hahahaha
 
SuPaStA said:
lol no you jumping onto the it was offside bandwagon....
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Do you know what arguably means? Really now. It's kinda like what makes a tough decision....from which the attacking team is meant to have the advantage ...This sounding familiar yet? :p

*takes high road
 
hj2k_x said:
I said, repeatedly, it was a close decision either way. Stay focused there mate.

Also, the 'crap' I am talking about advantage, is that it is meant to go to the attacking team. It has been that way for quite some time now. Maybe they don't have that rule for whatever football it is you choose to watch. Listen to the commentators of any game, they must say it at least twice in each game every week.

I am not arguing it was offside, but it is not surprising you are choosing to say that is what I am arguing so you can 'win' that argument.

Talk about sometimes I shake my head....:rolleyes:
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DOESNT matter how close it was!! It was PROVEN to be offside. how hard is it to understand, really????? It isnt about the attacking team, its about that the correct decision was made.

So SAF has said it was offside, but maybe someone should ring him up and tell him that he is wrong cos the advantage had to be given to his team.

Im sure he will tell you, but irrespective of the advantage, Ronaldo was in an offside position. henryj, i really think its time you learn the offside rule now.
 
hj2k_x said:
Do you know what arguably means? Really now. It's kinda like what makes a tough decision....from which the attacking team is meant to have the advantage ...This sounding familiar yet? :p

*takes high road
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there is nothing "arguably offside" about it.HE WAS OFFSIDE, not half on-side/offside.The ref had no doubt his position was OFFSIDE.The only thing he needed to confirm was the touch, NOT RONALDO'S POSITION (AS THAT WAS IN A OFFISDE POSITION)

Again I will quote your MANAGER, who also thinks its OFFSIDE.its only you that thinks its "arguably offside".

Alex Ferguson (THE GUY WHO MANAGES THE TEAM YOU SUPPORT)
“Neverthless, Ronaldo was in an offside position. I have no complaints about the actual decision.
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Genius. said:
Missed the game so cannot comment. Linesman dont have to give a call absolutely immidiately. If the right decision was made, then what is the fuss about?
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Thats funny....:rolleyes:
 
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