The Middle East Conflict Thread

Garyvdh said:
here's the difference....

Hamas kills innocents, and occasionally accidentally kills an Israeli soldier (by dumb luck).

The Israeli Defence force kills Hamas militants, and accidentally kills "civilians" (which Hamas are hiding behind).
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Good point. Hamas targets civilians, Israel does not.
 
killadoob said:
Yes but Gary i rate Israel are bunch of cowards who would rather civilians die than move their ground troops in, very easy to bomb and kill innocent people because your scared of losing soliders.

This war makes them look like cowards.
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Jewish soldiers, lets not forget this is a population that has already lost a great percentage of their people in the last 100 years; they can't afford it and won't stand for it.

These Arab nations created the highly trained and very lethal Israeli army and they need to face up to the part they played.
 
killadoob said:
Aperio just remember with frankie and his friends if you don't agree your a stupid trolling noob dude, so stop making posts about this because they will just call you stupid and attack you because they don't agree, they cannot have a decent argument about something they don't agree with. Just a heads up of what i have noticed.

Any anti US or anti Israel is cause for an immediate attack kinda like the real world situation :p
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Cant argue with that, but you left out "jihadist" :D

Ant-Us , anti-Israel - it's more to do with a vile ideology that seeks to destroy Israel and the west in a quest for world dominance - just ask Mickey Mouse.
 
So your saying tim they would rather innocent people die because they lost a % of their population? Dude that just smacks of BS. Exactly my point they don't care about the innocent dying as long as they are fine.

Must be hard to be so cold and down right nasty. At this rate removing Israel off the face of the Earth is going to become a priority of quite a few countries. Rather make friends than enemies, specially when the enemy surrounds you.
 
Hmmm..... let's take a closer look at this whole Nazi thing...

Hamas members adopt the Nazi salute.... (Google Images)...

http://images.google.co.za/images?q...US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2006/04/hamas-adopts-nazi-salute.html

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, was one of the most prominent figures of inter-War Palestine and is a revered figure of the Hamas para-militaries. Besides his pan-Arab tendencies, he hated the Jews as bearers of modern European way of life, which confronted to the concepts of Islam as he saw them. In 1933 the Mufti took contact with Nazi Germany and said he looked forward to spreading their ideology in the Middle East, especially in Palestine. He secretly met with German diplomats, and later that year, the Mufti's assistants approached Wolff, the Nazi General-Consul in the area, seeking his help in establishing a National Socialist Arab party in Palestine.

Seen in this picture talking to Adolf Hitler...
http://www.antisemittisme.no/engl/mufti/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

In fact, many commentators go further and link the modern rise of islamic Militancy to the Nazi movement of the 1930s and 40s....

http://www.mideastnewswire.com/archive/me_nc_islamists.html
 
killadoob said:
Yes but Gary i rate Israel are bunch of cowards who would rather civilians die than move their ground troops in, very easy to bomb and kill innocent people because your scared of losing soliders.

This war makes them look like cowards.
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I predict their ground troops will be in there in the next 24 hours. :)
 
killadoob said:
So your saying tim they would rather innocent people die because they lost a % of their population? Dude that just smacks of BS. Exactly my point they don't care about the innocent dying as long as they are fine.

Must be hard to be so cold and down right nasty. At this rate removing Israel off the face of the Earth is going to become a priority of quite a few countries. Rather make friends than enemies, specially when the enemy surrounds you.
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Killadoob: why do Hamas target civilians or innocent people? Why does the Israeli army not target civilians or innocent people? Who is more evil would you say?

Hamas are then indeed not lazy, but cool, calculating and cruel. You must understand Israels need to eliminate such evil folk from the planet. Now that is a noble priority.
 
Garyvdh said:
Hmmm..... let's take a closer look at this whole Nazi thing...
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Yeah, like when the Jewish terror group lehi who helped in the founding of Israel asked the Nazis to assist them...
In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "evacuating"[vague] the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.

On the assumption that the destruction of Britain was the Germans' top objective, the organization offered cooperation in the following terms: From the NMO side: full cooperation in sabotage, espionage and intelligence and up to wide military operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where the Irgun had Jewish cells, active and trained and in some places with weapons. From the German side, the following declarations and actions were demanded: (1) Full recognition of an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel (2) That the ability to emigrate to Palestine be conceded to all Jews, with no restriction of numbers, who, in leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions. For this purpose there was expressed a need to cancel any transfer plans of Jews to distant countries like Madagascar.
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killadoob said:
Yup possibly once the bombing is done.

I wonder how egypt is taking all this.
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The last time Egypt attacked Israel they almost lost Cairo, Israel were turned away within viewing distance of the Suez Canal - I think they've learnt their lesson.
 
killadoob said:
Yup possibly once the bombing is done.

I wonder how egypt is taking all this.
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Actually Egypt are pretty much the Hell in with Hamas for their behaviour! Remember Egypt was trying to broker a peace deal and a truce the last six months between Israel and Hamas until Hamas went and stuffed it up.

This article is from an hour ago...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hlIkaElX2hjCPGtQap7uEqBaxScAD95EHDS02

They want Hamas to stop with the rockets. They have closed their borders to Gaza throughout this whole business.

He criticized Hamas, saying Egypt had seen "the signals that Israel was determined to strike Hamas in Gaza for the past three months. They practically wrote it in the sky."

"Unfortunately, they (Hamas) served Israel the opportunity on a golden platter to hit Gaza," he said.
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I think they are both evil man, Hamas target civilians because thats about all they can do, Israel has the 4th most powerful army in the world bud.

How do these okes wage war on the 4th most powerful army? Hamas though are setting Israel up for something bigger if you ask me, i think this is a pre-lude to what will soon be alot bigger.

Hamas know these rockets do hardly any damage yet they been keeping the rockets going, they are poking Israel and making them aggressive for another reason.
 
hmmm the results of a search for all threads started by aperio is quite amusing :)

all signs point to ANCYL member :)
 
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Aqua_lung said:
Yeah, like when the Jewish terror group lehi who helped in the founding of Israel asked the Nazis to assist them...

wiki
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Lehi were mad terrorists, they hardly represented the Jews! :eek:

That's like equating all Muslims to Al-Qaeda! Hardly fitting, wouldn't you say?
 
timgaul said:
The last time Egypt attacked Israel they almost lost Cairo, Israel were turned away within viewing distance of the Suez Canal - I think they've learnt their lesson.
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Egypt are now considered allies of Israel since they recognised Israel as a nation in 1979 and have brokered a peace treaty. I think they learned their lesson. :) The life story of Anwar Sadat is an amazing one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Sadat
 
killadoob said:
I think they are both evil man, Hamas target civilians because thats about all they can do, Israel has the 4th most powerful army in the world bud.

How do these okes wage war on the 4th most powerful army? Hamas though are setting Israel up for something bigger if you ask me, i think this is a pre-lude to what will soon be alot bigger.

Hamas know these rockets do hardly any damage yet they been keeping the rockets going, they are poking Israel and making them aggressive for another reason.
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Yup, they just don't learn. The Palestinians have been playing this game for 40 years, what makes you think they suddenly have something up their sleeves. Besides, they love to play the victim, no sense in actually being seen as the oppressor :/
 
killadoob said:
I think they are both evil man, Hamas target civilians because thats about all they can do, Israel has the 4th most powerful army in the world bud.

How do these okes wage war on the 4th most powerful army? Hamas though are setting Israel up for something bigger if you ask me, i think this is a pre-lude to what will soon be alot bigger.

Hamas know these rockets do hardly any damage yet they been keeping the rockets going, they are poking Israel and making them aggressive for another reason.
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Unfortunately, I think you are right. :(

Whatever happens now... Israel are going to lose diplomatically.

If they withdraw and back down, they will lose face and have to answer for causing needless death.

If they win and wipe out Hamas, then Hamas get Martyrdom status and Israel gets severe flack for going so far to such an extreme. Another militant organization will just step in and take its place... the PLO, or the above-mentioned PFLP.
 
I think with Hamas gone, Abbas can take control of Gaza, and we might actually see a chance at peace
 
Aqua_lung said:
Yeah, like when the Jewish terror group lehi who helped in the founding of Israel asked the Nazis to assist them...
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...to assist them in repatriating more Jews back to Israel.

Nothing wrong with that. I wish they had been successful in getting more Jews to come home before the Nazis murdered six million of them.

The Lehi group were very much anti-occupation as well... they even undermined the British who held the mandate over Palestine.

I thought you liked anti-occupation groups??? :confused:
 
nivek said:
I think with Hamas gone, Abbas can take control of Gaza, and we might actually see a chance at peace
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Perhaps and hopefully at not too higher cost. I don't understand how the Palestinians allowed these people to take charge!
 
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