The Middle East Conflict Thread

Aqua_lung said:
I don't support Hamas, but I certainly won't support a nation founded on ethnic cleansing.

I've been to Israel, visited Tel aviv(nice place) which was once a Palestinian port but most of the Arab identity has been wiped clean, those living there were forced to leave or be killed (ethnically cleansed).

...But you won't find this in your indoctrinat... I mean history books.
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Thank you!!

I don't support Hamas either, but I will not support Israel!

marine1 said:
Tell me who was there first?
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Pathetic reasoning to be honest! :rolleyes:

Tell me who was persecuted and forced to settlements because of some religious BS?
 
marine1 said:
I have been to Israel and seen what they have accomplished against all odds and against aggression from all sides. So coming from a supporter of terror you think that will change my mind?
Wherever there is conflict at the moment there seems to be Islam extremists involved, am I not allowed to have an opinion on this? Did I insult you directly? No I did not. Lets not pu $$yfoot around the issues we are facing.
Just because you dont like it doesnt mean we cannot discuss it and I cannot have an opinion on it. Ever heard of free speech?
It is amazing to me having someone preach to me but yet he/she supports firing of 65 rockets into a country for no reason but HATE>
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You misread my post then! I said Palestine, not Israel?? I could call you the same, a supporter of terror!

We are discussing it, but you and all Israel supporters offer no real solution but violence, how would you solve the problem, even before Israel launched it's attack on Palestine, how would you solve the problem?

Garyvdh said:
Frankly, I don't really give much a stinky shirt who or what they bomb in Gaza... they all voted for Hamas anyway. If it was me I would have left the Gaza strip years ago. Let them revel in their destruction. They full well deserve it.

And if calling on Hamas to stop the rocket attacks is bigotry then I guess you must be the worst racist on this board because you are refusing Israel their right to defend themselves. Do you wear a Swastika, or a white hood when you go out in public? :rolleyes:
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Well nothing changed (from and Israel perspective) when Fatah was the ruling party, so blaming all the Palestinian people is shortsighted and will never solve the problem.
 
This is what Iran and Syria have been waiting for, we are now entering a dangerous time.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5807

FM spokesman in Tehran: Iran begins preparing operations against Israel

DEBKAfile Special Report

December 29, 2008, 9:49 PM (GMT+02:00)

On Monday, Dec. 29, Day 3 of Israel's Gaza operation, the spokesman said Iran had embarked on preparations for operations against Israel in line with the directives laid down by supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khameini in his speech Sunday.

in his speech, Khameini issued a fatwa calling on Muslims to stand up and defend Palestinians against Israel. He said "true believers" were "duty-bound to defend" the Palestinians. Khamenei did not spell out what he intended. The foreign ministry statement said believers killed in their cause would be counted martyrs.

A group of hardline clerics is signing up volunteers to fight "against the Zionist regime" in the Gaza Strip "in either military, financial or propaganda fields." This is reported by the semi-official Fars news agency.

Iranian lawmaker Ali Motahari told the Iranian news agency IRNA that it was time for Iran and Arab nations to go to war with Israel.

DEBKAfile: Egypt has led widespread Arab voices blaming Hamas for the Gaza crisis and accusing Iran of manipulating the Palestinian cause as a power play for its own ends.
 
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5802

Gaza Operation Day 2: Israel calls up 6,500 reservists, Hamas steps up long-range rocket attacks

DEBKAfile Special Report

December 28, 2008, 6:30 PM (GMT+02:00)
Israeli tanks just outside Gaza

Israeli tanks just outside Gaza

The Israeli cabinet Sunday, Dec. 28, approved call-up orders for 6,500 reservists the day after Israel's devastating assault on hundreds of Hamas military sites in Gaza, in which 282 Palestinians, 90 percent in uniform, were killed. Two thousand were recruited Saturday. Hamas activated its Iran-made improved Grad Katyusha unit, sending rockets winging as far as Moshav Bnei Ayish near Yavne to the northeast and the big port city of Ashdod to the north, both nearly 40 km from the Gaza Strip. One fell in the yard of an Ashdod home. Four landed in Ashkelon, injuring three people.

The call-up orders went to command personnel, technical teams and homeland front units. Several Israeli tanks have moved forward to the Gaza border fence and opened fire. The Israeli assault on Hamas continues to focus on aerial action.

In Gaza City, Israeli bombers struck the government center, headquarters of the Hamas security services and two police compounds, the Rafah governate and Beit Hanoun municipality - going after the symbols of Hamas rule as well as missile-launchers Saturday. The unofficial Palestinian death toll has risen to 282 as Israeli air strikes continued during the night.

The targeted Israeli population has expanded to almost three quarters of a million.

Residents of the towns of Yavne and Beersheba, capital of the Negev, were told to standby for missile alerts in addition to all locations closer to Gaza. Tuesday after the Hanukkah holiday, schools will not reopen up to 20 km from the Gaza border. Shear Hanegev farmers inside that strip were told to stay indoors.

DEBKAfile's military sources report that the dozens of brand-new Grad rockets reached Hamas' arsenal in recent months through the Suez Canal and Sinai. The Egyptians turned a blind eye.

Hamas and its fellow Palestinian terror groups have divided up their missions: Hamas controls the long-range rockets able to reach targets 42 km from Gaza – Ashdod, Ashkelon, Kiryat Gat, Kiryat Malachi, Netivot, Ofakim and the outskirts of Beersheba; its allies wield the home-made Qassam missiles to pound nearby Israeli locations like Sderot.

Overnight and Sunday, the Israeli air force sought out Palestinian crews. Leaflets were scattered warning Palestinian civilians to stay clear of coming attack. Those crews managed to fire off 13 missiles and rockets by Sunday afternoon. Defense minister Ehud Barak said Israeli ground forces would go into the enclave if that is what it takes to stop the fire

Israel launched its massive air attack Saturday eight days after Hamas terminated the agreed six-month Gaza ceasefire by showering missiles and mortar rounds on 250,000 Israeli civilians day after day. They kept on falling even as Israel opened the crossings to allow 90 trucks of food and medicines to cross into the Gaza Strip. A further 30 trucks of assistance required by international aid agencies went through from Israel Sunday.

Since Israel evacuated the enclave in 2005, Palestinian factions have fired 6,000 missiles.
 
Garyvdh said:
LOL! How old are you? You do realize that what you just proposed was exactly what the UN did after the 1967 war???? :D
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Not that old (Thank goodness :) )

The UN is rather toothless when it comes to enforcing its edicts you only have to look at other conflicts that they are involved in.

I mean a proper international effort with a big stick to enforce it properly

I think that the average man in the street on both sides is sick to death ( no pun intended) of this violance and just want get on with there lives in peace
 
Aqua_lung said:
Israel has been doing that for years, I agree.
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maybe... but not as much as the Arab states who vowed to "wipe Israel off the map" and to "drive them into the sea".

How come you keep conveniently overlooking that fact?
 
R/SGT said:
Not that old (Thank goodness :) )

The UN is rather toothless when it comes to enforcing its edicts you only have to look at other conflicts that they are involved in.

I mean a proper international effort with a big stick to enforce it properly

I think that the average man in the street on both sides is sick to death ( no pun intended) of this violance and just want get on with there lives in peace
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Ja, exactly. So more UN resolutions are not going to help. They can re-draw the lines all they want... and tell the parties involved to knock it off... but how can they enforce it? Send in troops?

Did you know that there were UN buffer troops there from 1958 to 1967... and the Arabs told them to leave???
 
It does appear to be Islam against Israel. The moment Israel attacks, Muslims are in public outcry. But rockets keep raining down on Israel constantly...
 
Garyvdh said:
maybe... but not as much as the Arab states who vowed to "wipe Israel off the map" and to "drive them into the sea".

How come you keep conveniently overlooking that fact?
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Looks to me like Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians.
Garydh doesn't mean because Israel hasn't said it they aren't trying to do it.

The facts are there in front of your eyes soon all the palestinians will have is a piece of land the size of an A4 page.

If you have seen any interview an Israelie jew you would realise that the jews are hostile (most of them believe that Israel is theres and nobody elses).
 
Who said anything about the UN, they can stay in the background and play at admin while the rest of the world steps in and sets up a permanent solution.

Not everybody will be happy but they need to settle this once and for all.

One of Tom Clancys books offers a similar solution that actually seemed reasonable
 
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