The Middle East Conflict Thread

funny how in all the 'protests' about the attacks, they burnt American and British flags along with the Israeli ones .....
 
sarcasm bru ..... I'm getting at how it always turns into a "They're all against us" thing ;)
 
If you have seen any interview an Israelie jew you would realise that the jews are hostile (most of them believe that Israel is theres and nobody elses).

yeah the evil jews are hostile
 
Its funny how the entire world was quiet when Egypt was bombing the Palestinians not too long ago?

Just shows, nobody in the Arab world actually cares about the Palestinians, they're nothing more than pawns in their fight against Israel
 
If you have seen any interview an Israeli jew you would realise that the jews are hostile (most of them believe that Israel is theres and nobody elses).
ROFLMAO are you being serious? Have you ever been there? So I suppose all these Islamic peace lovers burning flags and calling for attacks against all Jews are so peaceful? What a load of cr@p. Israel is fighting for her survival.
Famous quote: "We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon - no alternative. "
 
Oh yeah... without the consent of the native peoples.. but then again this was agreed upon with Balfour in 1917.

The jews are native, there is more than enough archeological evidence to show there presence in the region.

The jewish people who returned from other countries were returning to their Homeland.

After a couple of thousands years of been bashed around I think they deserve a bit of land to call there own.

Israel Archaeology

Let's begin our look at Israel archaeology with the "Merneptah Stele" (also known as the Israel Stele), which is an upright stone slab measuring over seven feet tall that contains carved hieroglyphic text dating to approximately 1230 BC. This Egyptian monument describes the military victories of Pharaoh Merneptah and includes the earliest mention of "Israel" outside the Bible. Although the specific battles covered by the stele are not included in the Bible, the stele establishes outside evidence that the Israelites were already living as a people in ancient Canaan by 1230 BC. 1 In addition to the Stele, a large wall picture was discovered in the great Karnak Temple of Luxor (ancient Thebes), which shows battle scenes between the Egyptians and Israelites. These scenes have also been attributed to Pharaoh Merneptah and date to approximately 1209 BC. 2 The Karnak Temple also contains records of Pharaoh Shishak's military victories about 280 years later. Specifically, the "Shishak Relief" depicts Egypt's victory over King Rehoboam in about 925 BC, when Solomon's Temple in Judah was plundered. 3 This is the exact event mentioned in two books of the Old Testament. 4
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-archaeology.htm

History of ancient Israel and Judah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

Timeline for the History of Judaism
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/timeline.html
 
The jews are native, there is more than enough archeological evidence to show there presence in the region.

The jewish people who returned from other countries were returning to their Homeland.

After a couple of thousands years of been bashed around I think they deserve a bit of land to call there own.



History of ancient Israel and Judah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

Timeline for the History of Judaism
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/timeline.html

Most who returned are converts not natives, they are native to Europe. Even Ben Gurion said that the Palestinians are probably the descendants of the original Jews but converted to Islam.
 
The war between the Jews and the Arabs over the land of Israel has been for over 100 years now, not to mention even before the establishment of the state of Israel. The Jews see Israel as their holy land, and the Arabs see Israel or what they call Palestine as their holy land. The Jews will never give up their Holy land and the Arabs will never stop fighting for it (to my mind). Its a neverending situation. I do however believe that it has come to much more than just land. The extremist groups, such as Hamas are not in it for the land anymore, its become very personal. The only way we can ever see peace between the Israel and the Arab world is if all the extremist groups are demolished. The Jews and the Arabs can live together in peace, but the extremist groups or should I say terrorist groups make it difficult for both sides to live in peace.
 
The war between the Jews and the Arabs over the land of Israel has been for over 100 years now, not to mention even before the establishment of the state of Israel. The Jews see Israel as their holy land, and the Arabs see Israel or what they call Palestine as their holy land. The Jews will never give up their Holy land and the Arabs will never stop fighting for it (to my mind). Its a neverending situation. I do however believe that it has come to much more than just land. The extremist groups, such as Hamas are not in it for the land anymore, its become very personal. The only way we can ever see peace between the Israel and the Arab world is if all the extremist groups are demolished. The Jews and the Arabs can live together in peace, but the extremist groups or should I say terrorist groups make it difficult for both sides to live in peace.

Yep, extremists on both sides are not gonna bring peace but keep fueling the fire... this fire just strengthens their religious beliefs.
 
The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Part II
Jack Bernstein – The People’s Voice

Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper -- and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.

To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to believe that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.

Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one-world government under the control of the Zionists and the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers. Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.
 
Israel's Attack on the U.S.S. Liberty

During the 1967 War, one of the most daring acts of treachery was committed. It was the attack on an American ship, the USS Liberty, by America's so-called friend, Israel.

During Israel's treacherous attack on Egypt, the USS Liberty, an American surveillance ship, was cruising off the coast of Israel monitoring the progress of the attack.

Realizing the USS Liberty was learning and recording Israel's acts of treachery, Israeli leaders decided to 'get rid' of the evidence. Israeli planes and torpedo boats attacked Liberty with the obvious intent of sinking it. If the ship was sunk, thus destroying the evidence, Israel then could blame Egypt for the attack -- and the Zionist controlled news-media in America would have given the lie as fact with the intent of turning the American people against Egypt. But, fortunately -- bravery on the part of the Liberty crew kept the ship afloat. Israel failed in its act of treachery against America, its ally, but during the attack, Israel killed 34 crew members of the Liberty and wounded 171.

Israel claimed the attack on the Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. But, reports by the surviving crew and other evidence prove the attack by Israel was intentional.

Facts about the attack on the USS Liberty were conveniently omitted by the Zionist controlled American news-media. All that the Zionists told the American people was that Israel had sunk an American ship, but that it was a case of mistaken identity.

An investigation by the U.S. Government was subdued and the matter quickly forgotten. This is a good example of the tremendous influence the Zionists have over the U.S. Government.

The cover-up of the whole scandalous affair by the U.S. Government could not have succeeded if the news-media had done its duty and reported the facts surrounding the attack. It is a good example of the power the Zionist controlled news-media in America to distort or withhold important news from the American people.

1973 War - The treachery on the part of Israel and the Soviets that led to the 1967 War embittered the Arab people and immediately they began arming with the intent of retaliating for this Israeli treachery and to try and take back the land that Israel had taken from them. By 1973 they were prepared.

Even though several Arab countries were preparing militarily, they were trying to peacefully work out a solution with Israel. But, Israel was assured that their Zionist brethren in America would use their power over the U.S. Government to make sure that the U.S. would support Israel. So, Israel's leaders continued to maintain a belligerent attitude.

Realizing the hopelessness of further negotiating with Israel's leaders, Egypt along with Jordan, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel -- and they were winning.
With Israel facing defeat, the powerful Zionists in America pulled the strings of their power over the U.S. Government and the U.S. Government officials obeyed their Zionist masters. Massive amounts of U.S. military equipment and arms were airlifted at taxpayer's expense to Israel to bolster the retreating Israeli forces.

This U.S. aid enabled Israel to turn the tide and emerge victorious. Yes, Israel was saved, but so much U.S. military equipment was airlifted to Israel at that time that the U.S. armed forces were left in short supply and in a weakened position.

U.S. Government officials are so much under the influence of the Zionists that they had alerted the 82nd Airborne Division stationed at Ft. Bragg, N.C. and U.S. troops stationed in Germany for the purpose of being sent to aid Israel, if necessary.

It is pretty sad that to please the Zionist power in America, U.S. Government officials are willing to sacrifice the lives of American boys to save Zionist/Marxist Israel.

Young men already in the U.S. armed forces and their parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters should especially be concerned about Israeli precipitated wars and attempts to involve the U.S. in these wars, because if necessary, to save Israel in one of their acts of aggression, the U.S. Government will bow to the American Zionists and send American boys into combat -- the boys will have no choice but fight on the side of Zionist/Marxist Israel.

IF AMERICAN BOYS DIE IN A FUTURE MID-EAST WAR, YOU WILL KNOW THAT THOSE RESPONSIBLE WILL BE THE ZIONIST JEWS OF AMERICA and THE WEAK-SPINED POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WHO BOW TO THEIR ZIONIST LORDS.
 
New York/Moscow/Tel Aviv Triangle

At this point, you may be confused, Israel and the Soviets are ideological allies -- both follow the ideas of Karl Marx, so both are communist/socialist. Yet, the Soviets supplied military equipment to the Arabs -- Israel's enemies; and at the same time, the Soviet Union's enemy, the United States, was arming Israel.
To understand the treachery which Zionist/Bolshevik Jews are capable and to understand the treachery which took place before and during the 1973 War, I must explain the New York/Moscow/Tel Aviv Triangle. To do so, it is necessary to go back a few years in history.

A heavy migration of Jews from Russia to America started in 1831. Most of these were communist Jews. So many of these communist/Bolshevik Jews settled in New York City that New York has been referred to as 'Moscow on the Hudson'.

It has been pointed out, and with good reason, that decisions regarding communist policies come not from Moscow, but from New York City. Whether this is a fact or not is immaterial. What is important is the fact that there is a close tie between the Zionist/Bolshevik Jews in New York City and the Zionist/Bolshevik Jews in Moscow, and extending to include the Zionist/Bolshevik Jews who dominate Israel's government.

The Zionist power over the U.S. Government in Washington, D.C. stems from the Zionist/Bolsheviks centered in New York City. It is from New York that orders go out to the vast Zionist network all over the U.S. -- a network that influences the economic and political affairs of not only our federal government, but nearly all, if not all, state governments, and to a great extent the governments of the larger and even medium sized cities. This power of the Zionist/Bolshevik Jews over the U.S. makes the New York leg of the New York/Moscow/Tel Aviv Triangle a tremendous influence over communist policies.

In viewing the 1973 War, most people and it seems most Arabs are of the impression that since Soviet Russia sold equipment to Egypt and other Arab countries, the Soviets were in support of the Arabs in the 1973 War. This is a false impression. To understand that this is the result of more deceit on the part of Israel and the Soviet Union, you must be aware of the Golda Meir -- Stalin/ Kaganovich Pact.

Golda Meir had been born in Russia, grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and in 1921 migrated to Israel. In 1949, Golda Meir became Israel's first ambassador to the Soviet Union.

Representing Israel, Ambassador Golda Meir, a Bolshevik Jewess, met with two representatives of the Soviet Union: Kaganovich, a Bolshevik Jew and Stalin who had married a Bolshevik Jewess. They made a secret agreement -- a pact.
 
ISRAEL'S PART OF THE PACT WAS:

1) Israel would not allow any Western country, especially the U.S. to build military bases on Israeli territory.
2) Israel would allow an official communist party to function freely in Israel.
3) Israel would not make any agreement to solve the Palestinian problem.
4) Israel would influence world Jewry, especially in the U.S. to have Western Powers adopt a policy of favoring Israel over the Arabs.
5) Israel was to continue its Marxist economic policies and prevent any free-enterprise tendencies.

SOVIET UNION'S PART OF THE PACT WAS:

1) The Soviets would institute a pro-Arab policy solely as a camouflage for its true intentions which was to furnish aid to the Arabs, but never enough to enable the Arabs to destroy Israel.
2) The Soviets would open the gates of Soviet satellite countries to Jewish immigration to Israel. Should this be insufficient, Soviet Russia then would open its own gates to immigration.
3) The Soviets would absolutely guarantee the security of Israel.

Both the Soviet Union and Israel would exchange intelligence reports.
From the terms of this pact, you can see it was, and still is, the aim of the Soviet Union and Zionist/Marxist Israel to prevent peace between the Arab countries and Israel until all the Arab countries are forced to adopt socialism under Soviet leadership.

In the conduct of the 1973 War you can see part of this deceitful agreement being utilized -- in particular the part about the Soviet Union helping the Arabs -- but not helping enough to defeat Israel.

In planning the 1967 War, Israel was aware that the Arab countries bordering Israel were buying equipment from the Soviets, an Israeli ally. But, because of the Golda Meir -- Stalin/Kaganovich Pact, Israeli leaders knew the Soviets would not help the Arabs enough to defeat Israel -- that the aid the Soviets were giving the Arabs was only 'bait' to draw the Arab countries into the Soviet trap. Also, Israeli leaders knew that their American Zionist brethren were making sure the U.S. Government was supplying enough arms to stop the Arabs; and would send more equipment, even troops if necessary.

When the 1973 War started, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq surprised Israel with their improved fighting capability.

The Egyptian Army faced what would seem an impossible task in its attempt to penetrate Israeli territory.

First, there was the water barrier, the Suez Canal, to cross. Then, they would face a high wall of sand and fine dust which was erected by Israel. Behind that wall was a third barrier -- a line of Israeli fortifications. These fortifications were stronger than the Maginot Line erected by France before World War II to stop any German invasion of France.

Yet, by ingenuity, the Egyptian Army crossed the Suez Canal, went over the sand and dust barrier and broke through the heavy fortifications in a matter of a few hours.

Israel was in trouble; the Arabs were winning the war.

But, as pre-planned -- If necessary, the U.S. airlifted huge amounts of military equipment and supplies to Israel and, as I mentioned before, the U.S. Airborne Division at Ft. Bragg, N.C. and U.S. troops stationed in Germany were placed on alert and would have been sent to help the Israeli forces if it became necessary to help Israel win the war. Fortunately for America, American troops weren't needed to help Israel survive. The additional arms were enough. However, the Arab forces were strong enough to stop Israel from taking over more Arab land. In fact, Egypt was able to take back part of the Sinai.

Egypt's President Sadat realized that the Soviets had no intention of helping the Arabs win the war; that the Soviets in selling them some equipment were only trying to trap Egypt in the Soviet net. So, Sadat kicked Soviet military advisors and civilian technicians out of Egypt.

1982 Invasion of Lebanon

In Israel, most Jews have become tired of Israel's involvement in war and aggressive acts and want peace. It is only the communist faction that wants war. Sadly, it is these communists who are in power in Israel.

The 1982 attack into Lebanon by Israel further divided the Jewish population of Israel -- even within the more militant Zionist Jews there is a split.

The reason given by Israeli leaders for the attack into Lebanon was 'to root out the Palestine Liberation Army (PLO) and stop their terrorist attacks into Israel. Many Israeli's have dared speak out and condemn this reason as false. They have pointed out that in an effort to achieve peace with Israel, the P.L.O. had for 11 months refrained from making any attacks on Israel.

The real reasons for Israel's attack Lebanon were: (And still are, according to the latest headlines).

1) It is the intention of Israel's Zionist/Marxist leaders to carry on perpetual war. The attack into Lebanon was merely another phase of Israel's 'wars of aggression' policy.

2) Water is scarce in the Mideast, especially in Israel. Ever since Israel became a state, it has wanted the waters of the Litani River for use in Israel, and the only way they could get it was to go in and take it militarily.

Israeli leaders and the general population figured the war would last only a few days. But, the Palestinians and other Arabs fought heroically against the Israeli invaders who had far superior equipment. As the months passed without victory, and as more Israeli soldiers were brought home and buried, dissent within Israel spread. In the Israeli military forces, many members resigned or refused to carry out orders because it would have meant killing innocent civilians.

The death of the 250 Marines serving in Lebanon has been blamed on the Arabs. This is as it had been reported by the Zionist controlled news-media in America. But, this has not been proven! In fact, reliable reports coming out of Lebanon indicate the terrorist attack on the American marine base was planned by Israeli military personnel or the Mossad, Israel's secret service. In that case, who actually carried out the attack is immaterial -- Israeli personnel planned and instigated the attack. It is common practice for the Zionist/Marxists to plan a covert act and then get someone else to do the dirty work.

By instigating the attack on the Marine base, the Israeli 'War Hawks' had hoped the attack would turn the American people against the Arabs and that America could be drawn into the war and further help Israel in its aggression against the Arabs. Fortunately, the American people didn't fall for the trap.

A good example of how the Zionists will commit an act of terrorism with the thought of someone else being blamed is the Layon Affair. In 1954 a group of Israeli's set off a series of bombings of American institutions in Egypt including the American Embassy. They expected that Egypt would be blamed for the bombings and cause a break in U.S.-Egyptian relations.

Fortunately, Egyptian authorities caught the Israeli agents in the act of setting one of the bombs and the whole Israeli plot was exposed.

Most Americans are not aware of the treacherous Layon Affair because the Zionist controlled U.S. news-media failed to report it; just as they failed to report the facts surrounding the Israeli shelling of the USS LIBERTY.

When will Israel stir up another war -- 1985? -- 1986? It is difficult to predict, but it is certain that Israel will cause another war unless the American people learn the truth about Zionist/Marxist Israel and act to stop the politicians in Washington from bowing to the American Zionists and stop using American taxpayer's money to finance Israel's war machine.
 
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