The Middle East Conflict Thread

Frankie said:
You shall know them by their actions !!

Just one more question - do you condemn the bombing of the World Trade Centre and confirm that those homicide bombers will rot in hell?

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again ... quote me !!!! from the Quran ... so Hitlers actions depict Christianity???? (im going to repeat myself until you quote) ... you welcome, but still have not quoted me from the quran ... so come quote me ... btw you 21!, what's your background? who are you? im curious ... dont be shy ...

Clerics condemning people using Islam in vain ... you right i have not heard it, but im saying its wrong ... cause ive read the Quran... and my point is dont say its Islam ...

EDIT: if no one quotes me from the Quran where it says that rape, murder is right ... this is my last post on here ... cause you have not proved to me that Islam promotes hate and violence ... and judgement on the religion is made on peoples actions ...
 
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Frankie said:
You shall know them by their actions !!

Just one more question - do you condemn the bombing of the World Trade Centre and confirm that those homicide bombers will rot in hell?

Still don't have an answer to this post?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2407622&postcount=234
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WTC bombing ... yes they will rot in hell .... they killed innocent people!!! Its against Islam and the Quran ... and if you think im lying quote me that the Quran says otherwise

do you believe the Israel government is practising Apartheid and because of their murder on children they will rot in hell as well?

post me a picture where we can see the Israel people being oppressed in Israel ... cause they are millions showing the Palestinian people being oppressed be it they Muslim, Christian or even Jewish (sure they are Jewish Palestinians ... no?)

EDIT: guess it aint the last post, lol ...
 
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Koran 9:29
Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Koran 8:12
Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 9:5
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

Koran 4:144
Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?

Koran 47:4
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Koran 5:33-34
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.

Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...

Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...

Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
 
phenom said:
Why on earth is that even relevant here?

The best argument you could come up with is that the bible comes remotely close?

We have never scene Jews do that, and it has only been Muslims.

Those instructions have also been decommissioned later in the bible.
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OMW... it is very much relevant, look at history FFS.

adamr watch out, phenom will start quoting Hitler soon.
 
Aqua_lung said:
OMW... it is very much relevant, look at history FFS.

adamr watch out, phenom will start quoting Hitler soon.
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I am waiting for him to do so ... he talks from such an emotionally charged perspective ... spitting and hissing everywhere, the name definitely befits him :D
 
R/SGT said:
Koran 9:29
Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Koran 8:12
Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 9:5
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

Koran 4:144
Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?

Koran 47:4
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Koran 5:33-34
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.

Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...

Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...

Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
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whats your source? ... whats the website you pulled this from?
 
adamr said:
Clerics condemning people using Islam in vain ... you right i have not heard it, but im saying its wrong ... cause ive read the Quran... and my point is dont say its Islam ...
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Now for just one minute think about the people of the world who have not, and intend not, to read the Koran - surely you can understand that they'll be basing their impressions of Islam on what the leading clerics present and and the actions they see.

You may recall the Pakistan violent protests at the perceived inference by the pope that Islam was violent - the world views that as behaviour by devout Muslims - why don't you tell us now why the world should NOT consider them as Muslims.
 
R/SGT said:
Actually its from a variety of sources

Why do you think I made it up?

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392

http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/to...modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=9&division=div1


The basic mesage of the Koran seems to be convert or face our wrath, seems pretty tolerent to me
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lol ... no where did i say you made it up ... just wanted the sources ... i am checking the Quran itself ...

EDIT: but the one one webiste you quoted is a hate site against Islam ... LOL! .... and also remember don't quote things out of context ...
 
R/SGT said:
The basic mesage of the Koran seems to be convert or face our wrath, seems pretty tolerent to me
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Please you're ignorant..

Sure Islam has had forced conversions in the past but so have Jews...
Jewish King Dhu Nuwas ordered the forceful conversion of the Christians (mainly Aksumites) in Najran in 525 A.D. Up to 20,000 Christians who refused to convert were subsequently massacred.[112]
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Christians too and their massacres would probably be triple the above estimate.
 
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adamr said:
lol ... no where did i say you made it up ... just wanted the sources ... i am checking the Quran itself ...
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Yeah, many *ignorant* people don't know that neo-nazis sometimes make up or distort interpretations of the torah to aid their hate towards Jews and the same is done for Islam...

lol, they think everything they read on the internet is true.
 
adamr said:
WTC bombing ... yes they will rot in hell .... they killed innocent people!!! Its against Islam and the Quran ... and if you think im lying quote me that the Quran says otherwise
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I give credit where it's due - I respect you for that statement, but bear in mind that many here find it disconcerting that not many Muslims are prepared to do this.
That is what this post, which you keep side stepping, is about.

Did you know that a few of the terrorists on the planes that flew into the WTC received inspiration for this act by a prominent imam in a prominent NY mosque - the world sees this and questions why Islam doesn't do more to stamp this out if it contradicts their religion.
 
Koran 8:12
Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

"This verse and the verses before and after were revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. A battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and fellow Muslims had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. And now that they had fled Makkah and found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. God Almighty gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith. It was a war imposed upon Muslims."

... as an example above ... dont quote out of context ...

EDIT: so RSGT or whatever your nick is do some contextual reading on your quotes ... dont want to fill two pages just quoting context ... very dangerous to just quote
 
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adamr said:
again ... Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Roman catholic, a practising Christian ... do we blame Christianity for the murder of these people then?
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Thats a poor argument. Hitler didnt kill the Jews in the name of Christianity. He was only Christian to pander to the ignorant. Anyway.. Hitlers frag count is nothing compared to the 20 million or so killed by the spread of Islam into Asia.

Islamic terror is spread in the name of their religion.

To be honest.. I dont like what the Israelis are doing here but I dont see any other choice until idiots in the middle east stop killing each other for their impotent Gods.

Syria and Iran supporting the "death to Israel" Hamas is not helping the situation.

If anyone here had half a brain you would realize the people who are in control of the energy and weapon resources are using the whole lot of you to keep them in power.

The more people who fight for krap reasons like religion, the less people who will ask questions like "Oh dear.. where are my basic human rights.. and whats this democracy thing.. and where do I get my share of the oil?"

The leaders know the people are pretty thick and easy to play which is why that area of the world is an abortion that we are spending too much time caring about. The leaders also make great profits on selling weapons during times of conflict.. and a conflict only increases their oil price and therefore revenues.

There are bigger problems in Africa then a group of childish Gods warriors doing penis comparisons.


Seneca the Younger 4 b.c.- 65 a.d. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

Wake up world.. the more you fight for your religion the wealthier you make those smarter than you.
 
Frankie said:
I give credit where it's due - I respect you for that statement, but bear in mind that many here find it disconcerting that not many Muslims are prepared to do this.
That is what this post, which you keep side stepping, is about.

Did you know that a few of the terrorists on the planes that flew into the WTC received inspiration for this act by a prominent imam in a prominent NY mosque - the world sees this and questions why Islam doesn't do more to stamp this out if it contradicts their religion.
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no not side stepping it, i understood it was why were the clerics not saying anything against it ... i agree there are those that say its right and carry that same view like some Jewish people to say , if the innocents die they had it coming ... its wrong ... you must also remember as much as i am getting flack from you guys here, on the other side from my own Muslim people i get flak as well ...
 
adamr said:
no not side stepping it, i understood it was why were the clerics not saying anything against it ... i agree there are those that say its right and carry that same view like some Jewish people to say , if the innocents die they had it coming ... its wrong ... you must also remember as much as i am getting flack from you guys here, on the other side from my own Muslim people i get flak as well ...
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I have not heard of or seen any footage of Israelis revelling in the death of innocent civilians, but have seen recent statements on TV of them regretting the death of innocent civilians with a reassurance that they are making all attempts to avoid this, but are not prepared to let the Hamas terrorists off the hook while they hide behind the innocent civilians.

Your comment that you also receive flack from fellow Muslims is confirmation of what we are concerned about, and that is many Muslims are sold on the ideology of killing all non-believers.
 
adamr said:
you mean seen?
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adamr said:
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The M3 is mines, The chopper belongs to a friend of mines, and the mcoupe another friend
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You mean mine?
 
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