The Mpemba Effect

visrot

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When hot water freezes quicker than cooler water under "certain" conditions. This phenomenon seems to go against thermodynamics.

Why hasn't modern science answered this seemingly simple question about cooling water? The main problem is that the time it takes water to freeze is highly sensitive to a number of details in the experimental setup, such as the shape and size of the container, the shape and size of the refrigeration unit, the gas and impurity content of the water, how the time of freezing is defined, and so on. Because of this sensitivity, while experiments have generally agreed that the Mpemba effect occurs, they disagree over the conditions under which it occurs, and thus about why it occurs. As Firth [7] wrote "There is a wealth of experimental variation in the problem so that any laboratory undertaking such investigations is guaranteed different results from all others."


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html
 
My guess would be that the warmer water freezes in less time due to more convection in the initial stages of the cooling process. But that's just a guess.
 
hmmmm. Try this experiment with ultrapure water. To me it seems like its got something to do with solutes and caligative properties.

in any case it does not violate the laws of thermodynamics
 
hmmmm. Try this experiment with ultrapure water. To me it seems like its got something to do with solutes and caligative properties.
Yeah, as described in the article it could be as a result of a few factors such as convection, evaporation, dissolved gasses,surroundings and supercooling.

in any case it does not violate the laws of thermodynamics
It doesn't you're obviously right by stating that. It does seem odd when it does happen.
 
hmmm. Well another interesting thing would be to do the experiment until the effect is observed then analyse the water with MS to see whats really in it.

Then repeat it the experiment with the ultrapure water in a nitrogen/argon environment with perfectly clean containers. Then Im pretty sure you would eliminate this effect
 
Good find visrot. Will read up more on it, very interesting stuff, and highlights how little we actually know about the world around us
 
Good find visrot. Will read up more on it, very interesting stuff, and highlights how little we actually know about the world around us
Thank you kindly :) Taking into account my clumsy ignorance I was surprised myself for taking the interest :p
 
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