'The New SA Electronics Bill'

[rooijan]

This is great

there is ineptitude in even the most basic implementation of the Act

We are protected against Draconian laws by the incompetence of those in power. I feel better now.

Sort of on the same topic: it's been a long time since I've seen a speed trap in operation. Maybe the Keystone Cops have broken all of the expensive equipment.

 

[kilo39]

Sort of on the same topic: it's been a long time since I've seen a speed trap in operation. Maybe the Keystone Cops have broken all of the expensive equipment.

Me is tired of driving through roadblocks. Was just beginning to 'enjoy' my freedom - coming to terms with it so to speak - but now we're back in the bad old days - don't talk about p2p, don't discuss the in and outs of your tax situation, don't discuss that last dvd you bought - don't trash the government??! A Brave New World of 'Freedom'.

 

[bwana]

cyber-inspector - like thats not an invitation for an ass-kicking.

 

[kilo39]

cyber-inspector = permission to jump the queue in front of telkom (and the rest)

 

[-toady-]

Thanx for opening up this thread again. I'd not seen it before and almost wish i hadnt noticed it now

*Now look again at the phrase "enter any premise or access an information system". They're not just saying 'enter your premises and snoop,'- they're discreetly talking about remotely accessing your PC - and wording it in such a circumspect way that it slips in under the radar* Bingo LG...such mugs we are here....and

*Then, I'm also curious as to the ISP's general role currently. Has anyone officially ever asked local ISP's what their reaction would be to law enforcement authorities asking them for access to put individuals under surveillance? And more importantly, would the ISP's themselves
a) inform their customer and/or
b) request a legal court order from the Authorities before allowing surveillance?*

well in our case? mweb handed us over to the DroneMaster but continued to bill us. Not a word was said and ive no proof. I really dont care if im considered crazy and play to the gallery accordingly but on the other hand? I know what i know
Months of Nortons logs reading Sahara? and me yipping like a stuck pig to my old man (considered to be the brains of this farcical duet?)and him as usual switching on the Auto Sh*t Blocker which he has perfected after 49 years of my so charming company? Heh.....
CacklinTard
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As ye sow blah blah....

 

[kilo39]

*Then, I'm also curious as to the ISP's general role currently. Has anyone officially ever asked local ISP's what their reaction would be to law enforcement authorities asking them for access to put individuals under surveillance? And more importantly, would the ISP's themselves
a) inform their customer and/or
b) request a legal court order from the Authorities before allowing surveillance?*

ISP's are already doing it - if they haven't done it already. No - it says they must not inform their customers.

Chapter XI - Limitation of Liability of Service Providers
78. No general obligation to monitor

1)When providing the services contemplated in this Chapter there is no general obligation on a service provider to-

a)monitor the data which it transmits or stores; or

b)actively seek facts or circumstances indicating an unlawful activity.

2)The Minister may, subject to section 14 of the Constitution, prescribe procedures for service providers to

a)inform the competent public authorities of alleged illegal activities undertaken or information provided by recipients of their service; and

b)to communicate to the competent authorities, at their request, information enabling the identification of recipients of their service.

Chapter XII - Cyber Inspectors
84. Preservation of confidentiality

1)Except for the purpose of this Act or for the prosecution of an offence or pursuant to an order of court, a person who has, pursuant to any powers conferred under this Chapter, obtained access to any information may not disclose such information to any other person.

2)Any person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a fine or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding six months.

 

[Prometheus]

Perhaps you create commands to erase said data. What about deleted data? What happens if someone sends you child porn? Sure, you delete it... but guess what, it's still on your HDD. So a technical expert examines your PC, finds your deleted data and undeletes it, WHAM! ARRESTED! LOL.

All these porn banners, with browsers that have cache and stuff... the moment you see it, it's on your HDD. Guess what? Just because you visited a site, you are BREAKING THE LAW. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT. WHAM, ARRESTED!

Love you all.

All I can tell you is that this is bull ****.

You know what. Please don't joke over stuff like this before you have all your facts. Every now and again you come across a story like Jack's. Too bad Mitsubishi makes the best cd- and dvd-r or else I would have stuck it to them. This goes for a number of other places as well. If you're in Canada please stick it to Costco as well. And to read a good perspective on this whole cp phobia you can go to Inquisition 21st century to see what's happening because of all this Gymnophobia.

Just one question: is this the ECA as it is now signed into law or has there been revisions.

 

[kilo39]

Just one question: is this the ECA as it is now signed into law or has there been revisions.

Thread here.

Johannesburg - The long-awaited overhaul of the telecommunications landscape in South Africa looked increasingly likely this week, with the confirmation that the Electronic Communication Bill - previously known as the Convergence Bill - had been signed into law. story

 

[bwana]

Chapter XII - Cyber Inspectors
84. Preservation of confidentiality

1)Except for the purpose of this Act or for the prosecution of an offence or pursuant to an order of court, a person who has, pursuant to any powers conferred under this Chapter, obtained access to any information may not disclose such information to any other person.

2)Any person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a fine or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding six months.

That bit you emboldened just means that the cyber-inspector cant divulge the spoils of any investigation not related to the case. IOW - say he was blabbing in a bar about some inside info he'd come across he could be prosecuted.

 

[kilo39]

Yes - but as soon as a cyber-inspector has spoken to an isp about an individual - then the isp is under the same restriction (so they can't tell the customer) - ?!

 

[-toady-]

*sigh well if i could be bothered or gave a toss any more, i would go back through the mountains of printouts and probably find that my isp handed me over WAY before it was legal. Course it would only be my word on that which is worth erm, tell me again? lmao !!!!!
Eh guys i could tell you stories indeed... and i do mean UNbelievable lol....

CacklinTard
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The Toad Who Croaked Wolf

 

[dominic]

oh toad

one day we will have to sit upon the pad and sift through the slime....have no doubt that all sorts of unpleasantness has gone down down down and that the average isp will do whatever it thinks it has to to just stay out of trouble

 

[bwana]

Yes - but as soon as a cyber-inspector has spoken to an isp about an individual - then the isp is under the same restriction (so they can't tell the customer) - ?!

I cant see any reason to assume that - as far as I can see its not specifically spelled out that way.

 

[kilo39]

I cant see any reason to assume that - as far as I can see its not specifically spelled out that way.

bwana - I hate that document - you go wade through it. There is no question a cyber-inspector can do any investigation they want - it is also equally clear they are not going to inform the target/it is equally clear (without wading through it again) that if a target is being investigated - they wouldn't want the isp blabbering to the customer.

 

[bwana]

Nah - got better things to do

Personally, I'm a big fan of encryption. Thanks to OsX I encrypt my entire home directory incase my laptop goes walkabout. Its only 128 bit (with several nested disk images similarly encrypted) but it would slow anyone down.

Now, imagine if I was doing something nefarious enough to enable a cyber-cop to obtain a warrant then chances are I'd rather do the time for not revealing the encryption key.

 

[Prometheus]

bwana - I hate that document - you go wade through it. There is no question a cyber-inspector can do any investigation they want - it is also equally clear they are not going to inform the target/it is equally clear (without wading through it again) that if a target is being investigated - they wouldn't want the isp blabbering to the customer.

Same here, but I know I read there somewhere that is the isp or anyone else privy to the investigation were to let anyone (read specifically the investigatee) know about it then the would be breaking the law and would be fined and someone would probably go to prison. Say bye-bye to your freedom and yello to medieval law systems. Give me one good reason why we should not go back to medieval systems of dealing with a problem. This ANC government is worse than the old "apartheid" government. Even the BLACK PEOPLE has told me that. No, it's not racism. It's called democracy and I'm exercising it so if you want to arrest me for it, whoever you are listening, go screw yourself.

Personally, I'm a big fan of encryption. Thanks to OsX I encrypt my entire home directory incase my laptop goes walkabout. Its only 128 bit (with several nested disk images similarly encrypted) but it would slow anyone down.

Why stick to the old stuff that can be decrypted in a matter of days or even hours when you can use the top of the range that will allow you to encrypt entire drives with blowfish-whirlpool utilising a 1000 iterations.

Now, imagine if I was doing something nefarious enough to enable a cyber-cop to obtain a warrant then chances are I'd rather do the time for not revealing the encryption key.

Exactly the point I was stressing earlier.

 

[-toady-]

*one day we will have to sit upon the pad and sift through the slime....have no doubt that all sorts of unpleasantness has gone down down down and that the average isp will do whatever it thinks it has to to just stay out of trouble*

Yeah? *is after 7 years of being reviled wary of sitting with Anyone on Any Pad Anywhere lol.... Pretty much cant be hurt anymore
But Jayz i been thru the Wall and out the other side and i survived heh...
Sift through the slime? There is so much corruption involved ure hair would curl indeed. mweb are merely bit players in this charming scenario believe me..
I have NO hard feelings towards my ex-isp at all and agree with ure remarks that they would do whatever ja... long as u all remember the END of the story of the Toad that Croaked Wolf? Twernt only the Toad that got chowed

Toady
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[Prometheus]

Well here it is people -> the end of your freedom. Some people here believe that there was a lot of coverage on this issue. The only coverage locally which I heard of was all the talk of how this would protect peoples rights and make transactions carried out electronically legally enforcible. Such a great blessing was it made out to be. This very thread only reaching 13 posts in three days and then dying a very quiet death proves that fact.

Now the sheep suit has been removed and you finally see the wolf that has been approaching you and which you let in. I asked people here if this is really such a blessing as the old draft bill which it is derived from had a number of points which people were concerned about. I was told that those issues have been resolved and that this is what we all were waiting for. What a laugh! Really, I would rather not have internet at all than this rubbish.

I could tell you all what will happen next, but it would be made out by some people on this forum as garbage which have no factual basis besides the fact that some of which is transpiring now has been predicted eons ago. So I would rather abstain from my doom and gloom speak. Just for those interested, watch the next two weeks. I truly hope I have the date wrong, but if not, then something big is about to be revealed in the world that may surpass 9/11 or even August 6, 1945.

All I had left to say on this. If you're interested and want further "proof" then look for it yourself as it's out there. I have come across it and so will you. Like I said I hope I'm wrong (about the date I mean). Oh yeah, forgot to add. Why do you think they put all of this in a communiactions bill? It's so that you would not see it until it's too late.

Cheers.

 

[bwana]

Why stick to the old stuff that can be decrypted in a matter of days or even hours when you can use the top of the range that will allow you to encrypt entire drives with blowfish-whirlpool utilising a 1000 iterations.

Probably because its seamlessly built into the OS - as I said its just in case I lose my laptop or if its stolen.

That and truecrypt is only Windoze or Linux.

This very thread only reaching 13 posts in three days and then dying a very quiet death proves that fact.

I dont understand - you said this at post 38 and it seems to be fairly active considering the other events of the day.

 

[Prometheus]

Probably because its seamlessly built into the OS - as I said its just in case I lose my laptop or if its stolen.

That and truecrypt is only Windoze or Linux.

If you feel safe with it then it's probably ok. Situations differ.

I dont understand - you said this at post 38 and it seems to be fairly active considering the other events of the day.

Maybe you should look at the dates from the first page.