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nimthor

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Hi Guys!

Look out for a new comet visible at the moment. Currently it is at about mag 6.6, was supposed to be about mag 8 so it is quite a bit brighter! It is called C/2008 A1 McNaught and is currently in the South Western sky, about 20 degrees (@19:30) above the horison. A skymap can be found at http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2008/08/comet-c2008-a1-mcnaught-brightens.html or have a look at http://www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2008A1/2008A1.html

I have also inserted it in Stellarium, so it is easy to slew to at night from the laptop when the scope is connected.

Clear skies (none of that in CT at the moment!)
Charles
 
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Welcome to the dark side! Be careful since the hobby can become seriously addictive. If you haven't done so join in our astronomy challenge and get yourself a chart from Skymaps.com.

You should also definitely add Omega Centauri as a top priority - it's the most amazing globular cluster viewable!

I don't recall seeing the bit about the astronomy challenge, is it somewhere in this thread? As for the Skymaps charts I do download them every month, even if I'm too lazy to take the scope out. Omega Centauri, I will do some research on.
Thanks.
 

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I don't recall seeing the bit about the astronomy challenge, is it somewhere in this thread? As for the Skymaps charts I do download them every month, even if I'm too lazy to take the scope out. Omega Centauri, I will do some research on.
Thanks.

Yes, the challenge is within the thread. Here's the link.
 

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This thread has been far too quiet? I know the weather didn't play along, but what happened to all you guys?

After some very nasty weather (and even some snow on the surrounding mountains) I finally managed to squeeze in an observing session last Thursday/Friday. It started out as a hunt for the Saturn Nebula - which I finally located! The conditions were so good I decided to stick around and only went to bed at 02:00 Friday morning.

I saw the Giant Red Spot on Jupiter for the first time. Can’t wait for my barlow to get here so I’ll be able to get a larger and more detailed view. Throughout the session I got an extra light show with meteors streaking overhead (while I was busy trying to decipher the constellations). There were two very bright ones that left me speechless.

I managed to track down quite a few nebulae, lots of globular clusters, a few open clusters and even some galaxies (most of which were for the first time).

Here’s the list (unedited or spell checked):
Saturn Nebula
47 Tuscanae: Second best globular cluster. Very bright and large.
M72: Faint Glob.
M2: Glob Cluster. Small.
NGC 7293 (Helix Nebula): Big. Bit washed out due to Moon.
M11: (48x) Large Rich Open Cluster. Bright star close to center. Two bright stars to side. Lots of fainter stars.
M26: Open cluster. 4 bright stars. Small.
M18: Small Open Cluster.
M17: Omega Nebula. Diagonal Nebulosity visible
M16: Eagle nebula. Oval shaped nebulosity. Cluster.
M24: Large star cloud.
M22: Rich globular cluster. Bright. Individual stars visible
M28: Small Glob. Faintish.
M8: Lagoon Nebula. Dark band visible.
M20: Triffid Nebula. Faint Nebulosity.
M21: Open cluster near M20.
M23: Large Open Cluster.
M7: Ptolemy's Cluster: Very large Open Cluster.
M6: Butterfly Cluster. Large Open Cluster. Destinctive Yellow star visible.
M4: Small Faintish Glob close to Antares in Scorpius
NGC 6231: Very large Open cluster (Whole area?) near Zeta Scorpii
M62: Flickering Globular. Small Glob. Bright core. Darkened on left. Faint and small in finderscope.
M19: Small Glob. Faint. Bright core. (Finderscope: Close to 3 groupings of 2 stars.)
M9: Samll Faint Glob.
NGC 6388: Very small glob. Bright core. Almost star like appearance at 48x. 120x shows more clearly that it's a glob cluster.
NGC 6541: Small Glob. Clearly visible at 48x
NGC 6397: Globular Cluster. Bright stars around outer edge.
NGC 6067: Open Cluster
NGC 6752: Glob cluster. Compact core. Bright stars visible
NGC 253: Sculptor Galaxy. Edge on galaxy. Reasonably bright
NGC 288: Globular cluster near Sculptor. Faint stars. Definitely circular form.
NGC 300: Faint. Oval shaped galaxy.
NGC 55: Galaxy. Edge on. Reasonably bright
M33: Galaxy. Found it, but with half a chimney in the way couldn't make out much detail.
M74: Phantom Galaxy. Very faint. Bright core
M15: Pegasus Cluster. Glob cluster. Bright core.

I finished off with a binocular view of the Andromeda galaxy, since I didn't want to lug the dobsonian scope to the over side of the backyard. As I was packing up the scope, I saw Orion slowly rising in the East. A perfect end to a fantastic night of viewing.
 

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Fantastic list. All in one session? Gotta learn how to do that! All I do 2-3 sightings per session, and then give up when I can't find the next one. Need tons more experience.
 

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That's all in one session yes. Guess I got a little bit too excited when the weather finally cleared and I could take the scope out. I had to make up for the time lost during the previous week. Spent around 5 minutes observing each before moving on to the next one.

Patience and perseverance is the name of the game. In the previous session I struggled for more than 2 hours to find the Saturn Nebula. Did the same star hop over and over and over... and still couldn't find it and eventually gave up.

This session I did a bit more prep work, with a bit better idea of what I was looking for and on the second try I found it. Although I must admit that the Saturn nebula is very faint. It looks exactly like a star and only at high mags do you see it's not a normal star. 120x isn't even enough to make out much detail. (Darn, I need my barlow to arrive!).

That being said, there's no greater reward than finally tracking down that object you struggled desperately to find!
 

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Orion SkyQuest XT10 Classic 10" Dobsonian R5,252.00. Yay or nay? I've got about R5 000 to spend and don't know which one to choose. A guy at work recommends Mead telescopes but looking at the prices, is it worth the premium? I read somewhere that a very good quality 8" can outperform 10" and the Dobsonans look very large and bulkiy, is there any other models that have similar performance with better portability?
I'm not expecting hubble quality and I'm also not looking for a low end to medium model as I know I will lose interest very quicky if I can only see planets as a small blob. What can I expect from a 10"?

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Hey bud, Call Kobie at technopro.co.za
He can really help you and am sure he will organise you a great discount.
 

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Orion SkyQuest XT10 Classic 10" Dobsonian R5,252.00. Yay or nay? I've got about R5 000 to spend and don't know which one to choose. A guy at work recommends Mead telescopes but looking at the prices, is it worth the premium? I read somewhere that a very good quality 8" can outperform 10" and the Dobsonans look very large and bulkiy, is there any other models that have similar performance with better portability?
I'm not expecting hubble quality and I'm also not looking for a low end to medium model as I know I will lose interest very quicky if I can only see planets as a small blob. What can I expect from a 10"?

Newbie

That's the exact same scope I've got. It's definitely worth the price. It is quite bulky, but once you get the hang of how to carry it, it's not a problem to move around. Basically you need two trips... one for the base and the other for the OTA (Optical Tube). I'm not the strongest of persons and I'm relatively short, but I'm able to handle it easily.

As for what you can see with the scope, it's pretty much good for everything. It is good on planetary views, and the large aperture (10") allows you to go fro deep sky objects as well.

You can clearly see Saturn and it's rings (looks around pea sized at 48x and almost like a 10c coin at 120x). With Jupiter you can clearly see the red cloud bands around the equator and if you are lucky even the GRS. With Mars and Venus you can see the planetary disc, but not much detail, but that's more than likely just due to them being pretty low, and Mars being quite far away from earth.

Star clusters are the real beauties in the scope. In most of them you can resolve individual stars quite easily and see even the faint ones easily. Nebulae are a bit more difficult because you need very dark skies to get the most from them. They appear like little clouds of mist. I've taken a look at quite a few and they are nice with averted vision.

Galaxies are very faint (for the most part). In most cases you'll only be able to see "smudges" with bright cores.

An important point is to realize that you won't get picture quality images when observing. The only things that show color are the planets and some stars. Nebulae and galaxies won't show any color and your eyes won't be able to pick up nearly the same amount of detail as a camera can.

Also with the dobsonian you'll have to learn the night sky and learn how to star hop. This can be frustrating at times, so if you think you won't be up for it then look at something else. The scope also don't track objects. You have to move it manually both up and down and left to right. At high magnifications objects can move out of view very quickly, so keep that in mind.

The scope will also need to be collimated (align the secondary and primary) on a regular basis. It's pretty hands-on and can be daunting at first.

You won't find any other telescope that gives you the same amount of aperture for the price. Most other amateur astronomers agree that the 10" is the best mid-range scope you can get while still being portable enough. The difference between the 8" and 10" is well worth the extra money, since the 10" gathers much more light.

My advice to you would be the following:
Wait before you buy the telescope. Get a good pair of binoculars first. Go to www.starmaps.com and download their latest star map. Go out and observe all the naked eye and binocular objects. This should give you an idea what star hopping is all about and will allow you to learn some of the constellations.

Try to find someone with a telescope in your area and get a view through the scope so you'll know what to expect. Most people think they'll get similar views to astro photo's, but that's rarely the case. Mainly because most astro photos are post processed, false color is added and the camera gets much more exposure time to capture the details.

Once you have done both of those and still feel that the astronomy thing is for you... get a telescope and enjoy the skies to your heart's content.

Visual astronomy is partly about the actual views, and partly about using your imagination and knowledge about the object you are observing. The difference between a astronomy "geek" and a normal person is this:

A normal person will look at a globular cluster and see a fuzzy round patch. Perhaps utter something like "interesting" and walk away from the scope to go watch TV.

Us astronomy geeks will see the globular cluster, estimate it's size. Try to resolve individual stars, look at the difference between brightness of the inner and outer areas, and look for distinctive stars in the cluster and the surrounding area. All of that while contemplating the fact that the photons striking your eyes traveled around 18 000 light years to get to you, that the stars in the globular are as billions of years old and that the "fuzzy patch" houses around 10 million stars, many of which might not even exist anymore.

If you fall in the latter group then it's definitely worth getting a scope of your own. Welcome to the dark side!
 

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This thread has been far too quiet? I know the weather didn't play along, but what happened to all you guys?
Been stuck in bed and in the house for 3 weeks.. I am slowly but surely going insane though.. There is only so much TV one can watch while lying on your back.

I think I need to hook my scope up in such a way that I can use it via a webcam from my bed :D
 

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I'm in Durban, so not spending time on here in the morning cos I have to work :(
 

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Just got an email for anyone interested.

Subject: ASSA-JHB September meeting.
Date and place: 10 September meeting will be at the Planetarium this month.
Start time: 8pm
 

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Been stuck in bed and in the house for 3 weeks.. I am slowly but surely going insane though.. There is only so much TV one can watch while lying on your back.

I think I need to hook my scope up in such a way that I can use it via a webcam from my bed :D

Sorry to hear that. Hope you recover soon so you can be out underneath the skies again.
 

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Hi sparklehorse!

Happy Heritage day/ National braai day! Not that the weather is playing along for a braai, but will still have one!

I guess it depends on what you want to insert into Stellarium. But for comets, asteroids and such have a look at http://www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/JPL_HORIZONS It gives a very good guide on how to add astronomical bodies.

I have added quite a few comets, they use JPL Horizons ephemeris data. I took some afocal photo's of Comet C/2008 A1 (McNaught) on Saturday night and Stellarium slewed to it no problem and it was centre of the camera.

Have fun!
Charles
 

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Thanks ;)
Been raining the whole day, so I can play around with stellarium!

I came up with this entry after following the directions in your link:
Code:
[C2008A1MCNAUGHT]
name = C/2008 A1 (McNaught)
coord_func = comet_orbit
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000268282500608
radius = 1000
oblateness = 0.0
albedo = 0.8
lighting = true
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = deimos.png
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2454738.631052167155
orbit_PericenterDistance = 1.073028203471027
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000268282500608
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 3.484828301725286E+02
orbit_AscendingNode = 2.778841317037181E+02
orbit_Inclination = 8.254903965071189E+01
Could you post yours? I don't think it's right... :eek:
 

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Sparkle,

Here is what I have for McNaught (not sure how you get it in that funky blue block!):

[mcnaught A1]
name = C/2008 A1 (McNaught)
parent = Sun
radius = 1000
oblateness = 0.0
halo = true
color = 1.0,1.0,1.0
tex_halo = star16x16.png
tex_map = nomap.png
coord_func = comet_orbit
orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2454738.630029526073
orbit_PericenterDistance = 1.073007115082701
orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000270161482484
orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 348.4834647868806
orbit_AscendingNode = 277.8840258120198
orbit_Inclination = 82.54924656357682
lighting = true
albedo = 0.8
sidereal_period = 365.25

This works just fine for me. Differences I can see is that you have no parent and no sidereal perion, not sure if it actually is important though.

Have fun!
Charles

PS We still had a braai, only rained once and towards the end of the afternoon the sun came out in Kenelworth!
 

sparklehorse

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Yeah, been mostly cloudy here in Stellenbosch as well... so not much so see outside ;)

Was missing 'parent = Sun'. works fine now, thanks!

BTW, the blue block is with [ code ][/code ] bbcode
 
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