The PC Build Thread

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

rambo919 said:
The question is then if I buy a combo from wootware and it does not run stable at advertized speed on a x470 mobo (apparently they tested but results might vary between mobo's, also this RAM is advertized as being for z boards so the tests must have been on one of those and are as such not completely trustworthy for x boards) will they refund?

Whao there, wootware does not sell combos or advertise X running stable on Y. You can return stock to wootware but they levy a 25% re-stocking fee.

Like I said google the mb & ram you are interested in and you'll be 95% certain whether the ram will work at it's rated speed, samsung b-die ram is usually fine. There are also ram charts out there warning against certain ram models that can use different chips for the same model#.

rambo919 · Jun 20, 2019

ponder said:
Whao there, wootware does not sell combos or advertise X running stable on Y. You can return stock to wootware but they levy a 25% re-stocking fee.

Like I said google the mb & ram you are interested in and you'll be 95% certain whether the ram will work at it's rated speed, samsung b-die ram is usually fine. There are also ram charts out there warning against certain ram models that can use different chips for the same model#.

Advice taken however from the way the page is set up it's clear that any of the suggested parts to go with the CPU will result in a combo.

Master Blaster · Jun 20, 2019

Build: Mini-ITX PC (I want it to be small so I can hide it from my wife

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

rambo919 said:
Advice taken however from the way the page is set up it's clear that any of the suggested parts to go with the CPU will result in a combo.

It's not a suggestion from wootware, it merely shows what other people purchased. Most online shops do this, the onus rests with you to check if it's kosher.
If wootware sold you an actual bundle with mb/cpu/ram that appears as 1 item in your basket I would agree with you that they should check compatibility in such a scenario.

rambo919 · Jun 20, 2019

Master Blaster said:
Build: Mini-ITX PC (I want it to be small so I can hide it from my wife )

She deletes any porn she finds? Good for her.

rambo919 · Jun 20, 2019

ponder said:
It's not a suggestion from wootware, it merely shows what other people purchased. Most online shops do this, the onus rests with you to check if it's kosher.
If wootware sold you an actual bundle with mb/cpu/ram that appears as 1 item in your basket I would agree with you that they should check compatibility in such a scenario.

I disagree, if it was a general standard feature it would be different but this was specifically set up for this sale and is curated. Also no it's DEF not automatic.

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

Master Blaster said:
Build: Mini-ITX PC (I want it to be small so I can hide it from my wife )
Budget: R6000

CPU: https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryze...5ghz-3-7ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html
Motherboard: https://www.wootware.co.za/msi-b450...-socket-am4-mini-itx-desktop-motherboard.html
RAM: https://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-...z-cl18-1-2v-288-pin-black-desktop-memory.html
Chassis: https://www.wootware.co.za/thermaltake-ca-1b8-00s1wn-00-core-v1-mini-itx-cube-desktop-chassis.html or https://www.comx-computers.co.za/CH...lite-130-mini-iTX-Gaming-Cube-Buy-p-79700.php ?
PSU: https://www.wootware.co.za/fractal-...tified-semi-modular-desktop-power-supply.html

I have a 2.5" harddrive I can use for this build.

Total: R6532.

Future upgrade options:
Another: https://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-...z-cl18-1-2v-288-pin-black-desktop-memory.html
GPU: https://www.wootware.co.za/xfx-rade...-256-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html (Bot not if it's noisy. Otherwise I'll search for something similar that is quiet)
SSD: https://www.wootware.co.za/samsung-...280-pci-express-3-0-x4-solid-state-drive.html

One important factor for me: The PSU must be quiet. I can't really see a noise rating on any of the PSU's. Can anyone recommend a quiet PSU?

What are you using this pc for, gaming?

Wrt the PSU I have one of these, https://www.wootware.co.za/super-fl...ified-fully-modular-desktop-power-supply.html the cpu & case fans are louder than it. It also has an eco button that turns the fan off, not sure if it then only kicks in at x temp etc.

That RAM will work at 2666MHz but Ryzen really requires faster ram, especially the APU chips if you plan on using the onboard GPU and dual channel is a must.

See if you can push for a R5 2400G, extra threads are good these days.

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

rambo919 said:
I disagree, if it was a general standard feature it would be different but this was specifically set up for this sale and is curated. Also no it's DEF not automatic.

Let me get this right, you are saying wootware manually & willfully 'advertises' those items to go with that processor? This has nothing to do with the statistics of selecting the top items people purchased with a specific product?

rambo919 · Jun 20, 2019

ponder said:
Let me get this right, you are saying wootware manually & willfully 'advertises' those items to go with that processor? This has nothing to do with the statistics of selecting the top items people purchased with a specific product?

Uhm.... I think you are looking at the wrong place..... there is a "On promotion: Customize Your Ryzen Bundle to Suit Your Needs" clickable element in the top..... I think you are looking at the bottom....

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

rambo919 said:
Uhm.... I think you are looking at the wrong place..... there is a "On promotion: Customize Your Ryzen Bundle to Suit Your Needs" clickable element in the top..... I think you are looking at the bottom....

Ok, I completely missed that bright orange bar staring me in the face. Will have a look.

ponder · Jun 20, 2019

rambo919 said:
Uhm.... I think you are looking at the wrong place..... there is a "On promotion: Customize Your Ryzen Bundle to Suit Your Needs" clickable element in the top..... I think you are looking at the bottom....

From Wootware,

Thank you for contacting us. That is 100% correct. The chosen components work 100% together at the rated speeds as an example 3200MHz.

Should this not be the case once received and tested, we are able to assist with a refund and swap out for a motherboard that would work within 7 business days of receiving the components.

rambo919 · Jun 20, 2019

ponder said:
From Wootware,

Thank you kind sir, I was actually thinking of contacting them myself to verify and feeling stupid that I did not do so beforehand. I only hope they did the 300% memory test instead of just the 100% one which apparently matters with AMD ram.

RaptorSA · Jun 21, 2019

ponder said:
https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/i7-2600.250242/
https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/i7-2600.249424/
https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...or-3rd-gen-cpu-in-durban.249187/#post-1700173
https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/i7-2600-3-4ghz.249870/

Try a R750 offer else R800 on those.

Good thing I waited a day or two.
Just ~~found~~ bought this:
i7-3770
https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?threads/i7-3770-1155-cpu.250561/

And here's the kicker... after spending hours last night pulling my hair out as to why my memory won't clock higher than 1333 it turns out my stupid ITX board only supports 1600+ speeds on Ivy Bridge CPU's.

I know it won't make a huge difference buy every little counts when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel

RaptorSA · Jun 21, 2019

I'm really loving this gpucheck.com site.
Assuming of course that the data is relatively accurate.

The metric I was interested in most is of course the CPU Impact on FPS.
Going from a 2500K (stock) to i7 3770 lowers the frame impact by a good -10% with an 8 FPS gain on 1080P titles in general. That leaves me with a -10% impact.

Now, assuming an average 5% improvement from intel's "tick-tock" cycles over that past few generations it stands to reason that to have the least amount of CPU bottle necking for the oldest & cheapest 2nd hand chip (paired with a 1070) you need something like a Skylake... and what do you know, if you pair an i7 6700 with a 1070 on gpucheck you end up with exactly 0% FPS impact.
(Yes, now I'm starting to sound like those youtube tech enthusiasts I love moaning about )

Also, like some have commented the i7 should also alleviate some stuttering in many titles and give it a little bit more longevity, I think it's going t obe worth the extra R1K I paid.

Can't wait to put it all to the test.

rambo919 · Jun 21, 2019

RaptorSA said:
Yes, now I'm starting to sound like those youtube tech enthusiasts I love moaning about

Well at least you see the problem before it gets out of hand and you start obsessing over less than 1% gains.....

Lupus · Jun 21, 2019

RaptorSA said:
I'm really loving this gpucheck.com site.
Assuming of course that the data is relatively accurate.

The metric I was interested in most is of course the CPU Impact on FPS.
Going from a 2500K (stock) to i7 3770 lowers the frame impact by a good -10% with an 8 FPS gain on 1080P titles in general. That leaves me with a -10% impact.

Now, assuming an average 5% improvement from intel's "tick-tock" cycles over that past few generations it stands to reason that to have the least amount of CPU bottle necking for the oldest & cheapest 2nd hand chip (paired with a 1070) you need something like a Skylake... and what do you know, if you pair an i7 6700 with a 1070 on gpucheck you end up with exactly 0% FPS impact.
(Yes, now I'm starting to sound like those youtube tech enthusiasts I love moaning about )

Also, like some have commented the i7 should also alleviate some stuttering in many titles and give it a little bit more longevity, I think it's going t obe worth the extra R1K I paid.

Can't wait to put it all to the test.

Not sure that's 100% apparently from a 2600 to 2600x there's a 10% difference for CPU Impact on the 1660ti?

RaptorSA · Jun 21, 2019

Lupus said:
Not sure that's 100% apparently from a 2600 to 2600x there's a 10% difference for CPU Impact on the 1660ti?

Hmm....strange, the actual FPS impact only goes from -18.4 FPS to -15.4 FPS yet the % is listed as -20% vs. -10%.
No idea how that works, the frame and percentage drops make sense on the 2500K & 3770 comparison I did though

Lupus · Jun 21, 2019

RaptorSA said:
Hmm....strange, the actual FPS impact only goes from -18.4 FPS to -15.4 FPS yet the % is listed as -20% vs. -10%.
No idea how that works, the frame and percentage drops make sense on the 2500K & 3770 comparison I did though

Exactly it's a bit odd tbh

rambo919 · Jun 21, 2019

Lupus said:
Not sure that's 100% apparently from a 2600 to 2600x there's a 10% difference for CPU Impact on the 1660ti?

What should be noted is intel chips excel at single core speed but are weak compared to intel on multithreading speed while AMD chips excel at multithreading speed but are weak compared to intel on single core speed.

Most benchmarks focus on games which are not really multithreaded. In video encoding the edge that AMD has gets alleviated by intel's direct onboard encoding through it's video section which AMD does not have on it's top chips. Apparently for virtualization Intel and AMD are generally even but I'm guessing AMD has the edge there because of it's multithreading performance.

In general both brands break even though for most people. If you can get a i9 do so but if you need to budget get a AMD. Personally for me the latest i7's have generally been disappointing.

rambo919 · Jun 21, 2019

RaptorSA said:
Hmm....strange, the actual FPS impact only goes from -18.4 FPS to -15.4 FPS yet the % is listed as -20% vs. -10%.
No idea how that works, the frame and percentage drops make sense on the 2500K & 3770 comparison I did though

Lupus said:
Exactly it's a bit odd tbh

Likely due to the recent vulnerability mitigations that have different effects per generation, no benchmark older than 6 months is trustworthy at this point but even then results are subject to change.

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