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Fulcrum29 said:
I guess my mind is made up, going 5600X and 6800 XT, only buying in Feb.

As seen AMD is not strong with ray tracing, but that is okay at this point in time though I have seen how Watch Dogs 3 look with ray tracing on which is simply said, impressive.
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We might only see decent stock levels a few weeks after Chinese New Year which puts us in March.

So I've got a few months to break this 1070 :p
 
Neoprod said:
Another thing is Nvidia says it works with Intel and AMD cpus for Ampere...so AMD locking their version to X570 / B550 + 5000 series CPU leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. Are we already seeing anti-consumer behaviour from the former underdog?
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As Hardware Unboxed (I think) and Level1Techs said, Nvidia implementing this will force AMD for enabling it for more configurations. Strictly speaking, as I understand it should work on any PCIe 3 (or newer) gen supported hardware. The person who first pointed it out happened to be a former AMD, or should I say ATI, dev. Not sure, but there was a lengthy forum discussion somewhere, and then Gamers Nexus broke the news that they have spoken to Nvidia which will be implementing their own variation thereof.

It is subtle, but title dependent, performance boost, but anything to get the most out of your hardware is appreciated.

I do, however, believe that AMD may be winning in the long run now that they are entrenched in the console market. For the first time in a very long time, developers will be developing for AMD-centric hardware. The only way I see Nvidia forcing their way into this is by investing in cloud gaming which they are already doing and of course mobile devices.
 
Another thing to point out, AMD said SAM is architecture technology for PCIe gen 4, which is now proven to be untrue, but Hardware Unboxed said that their benchmarks produced the same performance increases for PCIe 3, maybe AMD amended the driver before release for including it after Nvidia said it should work for PCIe 3. Who knows?

Also, strange that this was never implemented in the Linux driver repository, just shows that the majority of software for hardware is developed with Windows 10 usage in mind, and yes, it is reliant on the compatibility of the software, but for testing purposes people would have liked to explore it in the Linux ecosystem, but perhaps it was tested there at some point in time.
 
Gtx Gaming said:
Those scores without SAM on Intel setup. Don't want to make the 3090 buyers feel too bad lol
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I am really happy for AMD, and I am glad they are competitive again. I was going to acquire a 3080 a week or so ago, but I am glad that I have waited until today's launch. Rather going to purchase a full new AMD-centric system next year when stock looks good.

All I want to see now is healthy competition. Nvidia still have a bit of an advantage with their feature sets, and they do have the better encoder for high fidelity streaming. Tensor cores still have a lot of potential for Nvidia, and Ray Tracing may still expand into other applications. At the end of the day, if you don't use Nvidia's feature set then AMD is the best option for the casual and competitive gamer, but I think creators may still opt for Nvidia.
 
JibbersCrabst said:
Yeah. I mainly play Dota 2. The 1060 6gb doesn't struggle at 1440p cause I'm sure Dota 2 could run on some modern calculators. I get drops of 90fps (in team fight) to 140fps+ if in jungle.

Def gonna consider flogging the 1600 combo out for a board that supports the newer ryzens and consider either the 3070 or 3080.
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Ah that makes sense, yeah Dota can run on a potato :).
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am really happy for AMD, and I am glad they are competitive again. I was going to acquire a 3080 a week or so ago, but I am glad that I have waited until today's launch. Rather going to purchase a full new AMD-centric system next year when stock looks good.

All I want to see now is healthy competition. Nvidia still have a bit of an advantage with their feature sets, and they do have the better encoder for high fidelity streaming. Tensor cores still have a lot of potential for Nvidia, and Ray Tracing may still expand into other applications. At the end of the day, if you don't use Nvidia's feature set then AMD is the best option for the casual and competitive gamer, but I think creators may still opt for Nvidia.
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True Nvidia does have better ray trace etc. But they've had a few years to improve on every gen.

AMD gave a product that competes again Nvidias top line up with little feature sets. Which i think is just fine, how many people use ray tracing, how many games support it?

I'm also glad they are back in business. Less power draw, cheapers and gives similar or better performance?! Also, it beats out the 3090. What would the 6900xt do then :oops:
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I do, however, believe that AMD may be winning in the long run now that they are entrenched in the console market. For the first time in a very long time, developers will be developing for AMD-centric hardware. The only way I see Nvidia forcing their way into this is by investing in cloud gaming which they are already doing and of course mobile devices.
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Or Nvidia buys ARM :cool:

I'm sure MS and Sony would love another company to come along and compete with AMD for the console SOC bid. Would probably reduce the hardware cost for them.
 
djbrendan said:
Aaah competition ....
Goood for us, good for the industry

Just glad we have AMD back.
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Yup they came for the CPU and everyone said will it be like the old days, they took the budget crown from Intel, Intel didn't learn, they stepped up with their + CPUS, Intel didn't learn, they started taking things with their Zen2 Intel started worrying, now AMD is back giving Intel bloody noses.
About time Intel dominated far too long and the CPU market did not move since.
 
Lupus said:
Yup they came for the CPU and everyone said will it be like the old days, they took the budget crown from Intel, Intel didn't learn, they stepped up with their + CPUS, Intel didn't learn, they started taking things with their Zen2 Intel started worrying, now AMD is back giving Intel bloody noses.
About time Intel dominated far too long and the CPU market did not move since.
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I see Radeon doing the same thing. Well i hope so
 
Lupus said:
Oh yeah, but I'm talking within the last 5 years or so, after the Polaris chips got repeated re-releases.
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But one has to admit, AMD being one company, taking on 2 powerhouses like Intel and Nvidia. Lisu Su is a great thing for AMD
 
djbrendan said:
But one has to admit, AMD being one company, taking on 2 powerhouses like Intel and Nvidia. Lisu Su is a great thing for AMD
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Yeah it's been a change, I only got back into PC's late 2018 and got an AMD. I had an old I5 4430 though but it was getting on
 
Not too long ago hardware reviewers didn't mind AMD's aggresive banter and throwing shade at their competition, but now...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329073489886670851

though Steve supported AMD a while ago, in terms with reassurances, I am glad to see that he have the consumer at heart now pointing out the bullschit marketing.

Things should stabilise around next year February in any case, it is only the early adopters running into these issues.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Not too long ago hardware reviewers didn't mind AMD's aggresive banter and throwing shade at their competition, but now...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329073489886670851

though Steve supported AMD a while ago, in terms with reassurances, I am glad to see that he have the consumer at heart now pointing out the bullschit marketing.

Things should stabilise around next year February in any case, it is only the early adopters running into these issues.
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I didn't know that AMD were doing that, but its kinda dumb.

Looks like the 6800 and 6800 XT are competitive products, so just let them speak for themselves. Like I thought the whole jebaited thing last year with the launch of the 5700XT was... a little immature.

I am glad that AMD is at least competitive with Nvidia. It is good to have choice again. I am keen to see the rest of the line up though, like the 6700 and 3060.

I will probably be in the market for a 6700 next year, assuming it isn't crazy expensive.
 
If I had a choice 6800 would not even be on my list, it's just bad value for money.
I would also choose the Nvidia 3080 over 6800 XT.

To put it short, Nvidia just gives you more of everything, and it's RTX could be considered second generation and it has dlls 2.0 which makes it actually usable.
RTX Voice, and cool streaming features for streamers (if your into that kind of stuff).
AMD just doesn't have that.

My main reason though is the H265 encoding on AMD sucks. I'm going for a wireless VR set up.

When you remove RTX and focus on normal game performance.
NVIDIA beats AMD in Directx11
AMD beats NVIDIA in Directx12
AMD and Nvidia on par on Vulkan
 
I noticed in the past week ASRock released a BIOS update for their AM4 board with the B450 chipset. The update is listed as "Optimize system compatibility" with one site claiming it supports Ryzen 5000 processors. This was convincing enough for me to take the leap and buy the board from Wootware for just under R2k.

At the same time I found a shop that is willing to sell me a Ryzen 7 4750G APU and give me R1000 for my old Ryzen 5 2400G, a nice trade in I think. My reasoning is that if the B450 now supports Ryzen 5000 it will surely also support the Zen 2 based APUs. Just for good measure I do plan to try this APU on my B350 which is running "AGESA ComboV1 1.0.0.6 for 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen XT series processors".

Looks like I'll get the APU sometime in next week, so interesting experimentation lies ahead for this now broke APU fanboi.
 
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