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StrontiumDog said:
I'm pretty happy at 1080p on a LG 27" IPS 144hz display. I tried a 1440p 27" VA 144hz monitor for a couple of months but I think the finer detail is lost on me or maybe the problem was that VA monitor was not the best... but ultimately it feels like my eyesight is the bottleneck and I'd rather have higher FPS where possible, albeit at 1080p. I also tried a Dell 32" IPS 1440p 165hz monitor, I might have kept it if it wasn't delivered with a scratch on it.

Thanks, the 13600K does indeed look like it will be a good upgrade without going too overboard, on average outperforming an i7-12900K if looking at hardware unboxed and gamers nexus vids.
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Got myself a Dell 32" VA 1440p 165Hz monitor last week. The difference while gaming is huge from my Samsung 32" 1080p 75hz. I would recommend the upgrade on a monitor of that size.
 
TofuMofu said:
Got myself a Dell 32" VA 1440p 165Hz monitor last week. The difference while gaming is huge from my Samsung 32" 1080p 75hz. I would recommend the upgrade on a monitor of that size.
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The Dell 32" G3223D IPS 1440p 165hz monitor was on special from Dell online for R7999.00 with free delivery a 5 weeks ago, best price I've ever seen on it.

Been gaming on the LG 27GL650F-B UltraGear 27" 1080p 144Hz 1ms IPS monitor since April 2020. When I had it side by side with the Dell 32" it was still preferable, the colours and text just looked better. And despite my poor eyesight I do notice lower frame rates and it bugs me.

The LG UltraGear 32GN600 32" QHD 2560 x 1440 165Hz (VA panel) is currently my primary WFH monitor. I can always one day change it over to my gaming PC and get something else for work, probably an IPS 32" screen, maybe 4K.
 
StrontiumDog said:
The Dell 32" G3223D IPS 1440p 165hz monitor was on special from Dell online for R7999.00 with free delivery a 5 weeks ago, best price I've ever seen on it.

Been gaming on the LG 27GL650F-B UltraGear 27" 1080p 144Hz 1ms IPS monitor since April 2020. When I had it side by side with the Dell 32" it was still preferable, the colours and text just looked better. And despite my poor eyesight I do notice lower frame rates and it bugs me.

The LG UltraGear 32GN600 32" QHD 2560 x 1440 165Hz (VA panel) is currently my primary WFH monitor. I can always one day change it over to my gaming PC and get something else for work, probably an IPS 32" screen, maybe 4K.
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Paid R5999 and free delivery for mine :D Was also on special.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Yea, part of your issue there is 1080p is more CPU-limited than GPU. If you popped over to 1440p you've have a better experience visually and your GPU would start taking the brunt of the work and would do fine in anything. A CPU upgrade is an option though. My suggestion would honestly be a better screen (1440p, 144/165Hz). Probably similar money but a much nicer experience overall. Otherwise a 13600K would be a better upgrade, the 13th-gen chips are a fair bit better than their 12th-gen counterparts.
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please explain this a bit more.

how is 1080p more resource difficult to do ell compared to 1440p.

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georgelza said:
please explain this a bit more.

how is 1080p more resource difficult to do ell compared to 1440p.

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It's not more difficult per se, it's just that at higher resolutions, the strain is more heavily on the GPU to render frames at the higher resolution. At lower resolutions, the GPU can render them so fast that it ends up waiting for the CPU to send the next batch of data.

That's why in benchmarks, CPUs are typically benchmarked at 1080p to remove the GPU as a limiting factor, whereas for GPUs they're usually benchmarked at a higher resolution to remove the CPU as a factor.

It's just a balance of which one is faster. At lower resolutions the GPU can render frames faster than the CPU can give it data. At higher resolutions, the CPU waits for the GPU to finish rendering because it takes longer.
 
georgelza said:
please explain this a bit more.

how is 1080p more resource difficult to do ell compared to 1440p.

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The lower the resolution the more CPU limited you become because the GPU is just hanging out waiting for something to do.

At 1440P you take more of the load away from the CPU and give the GPU something to do.

Of course you will get games that are just CPU limited like multiplayer and RTS games with a lot happening, so if you're a competitive gamer a 12700 with a 4060 will more than likely be better suited but then if you really just play AAA titles a 12400 with a 4080 will be better.
 
UrBaN963 said:
It's not more difficult per se, it's just that at higher resolutions, the strain is more heavily on the GPU to render frames at the higher resolution. At lower resolutions, the GPU can render them so fast that it ends up waiting for the CPU to send the next batch of data.

That's why in benchmarks, CPUs are typically benchmarked at 1080p to remove the GPU as a limiting factor, whereas for GPUs they're usually benchmarked at a higher resolution to remove the CPU as a factor.

It's just a balance of which one is faster. At lower resolutions the GPU can render frames faster than the CPU can give it data. At higher resolutions, the CPU waits for the GPU to finish rendering because it takes longer.
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so back to the GPU and CPU should be selected together, so that a CPU can provide data to the GPU to render at the optimal speed, so that the GPU does not wait, but also deliver at the best desired resolution/frame rate.

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georgelza said:
so back to the GPU and CPU should be selected together, so that a CPU can provide data to the GPU to render at the optimal speed, so that the GPU does not wait, but also deliver at the best desired resolution/frame rate.

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In general, yes. As Soul Assassin said, it also depends on your game. Some games require immense GPU power with comparatively little CPU. Others are reversed. CS:GO for example was heavily CPU dependent.
 
Soul Assassin said:
The lower the resolution the more CPU limited you become because the GPU is just hanging out waiting for something to do.

At 1440P you take more of the load away from the CPU and give the GPU something to do.

Of course you will get games that are just CPU limited like multiplayer and RTS games with a lot happening, so if you're a competitive gamer a 12700 with a 4060 will more than likely be better suited but then if you really just play AAA titles a 12400 with a 4080 will be better.
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I"m looking at putting together a rig of my son...

was/is looking at the GTX 3070 paired with a I7 Alder Lake (paired with DDR5), guessing the CPU will probably then be hanging around most of the time... implying the GPU will be the first upgrade.

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georgelza said:
I"m looking at putting together a rig of my son...

was/is looking at the GTX 3070 paired with a I7 Alder Lake (paired with DDR5), guessing the CPU will probably then be hanging around most of the time... implying the GPU will be the first upgrade.

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georgelza said:
stupid question... probably... but what would be the OS of choice... know windows, but what version.

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It will depend on what games he wants to play really but that build seems decently balanced, unless you get a bargain second hand 3070 for R5k getting a 4070 will be a massive upgrade with all of the new technologies like Frame Generation and especially the 12GB memory vs 8GB on the 3070.

As for what OS, you want Windows 11.
 
Soul Assassin said:
It will depend on what games he wants to play really but that build seems decently balanced, unless you get a bargain second hand 3070 for R5k getting a 4070 will be a massive upgrade with all of the new technologies like Frame Generation and especially the 12GB memory vs 8GB on the 3070.

As for what OS, you want Windows 11.
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think the 4070 (@R17k) vs 3070 (@R11k) will be price and capability over kill at this stage, not that i won't mind simply building a overkill setup ;) I tend to over design systems...

I see some 3070's on BOB, 2nd hand though, comment.
need to get my Carbonite account reactivated...
comment on the following board for me : Asus ROG B760

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Hi guys

Any recommendations on a monitor something bigger than 27” IPS decent brightness (300 nits)
Also budget of R4k
 
georgelza said:
think the 4070 (@R17k) vs 3070 (@R11k) will be price and capability over kill at this stage, not that i won't mind simply building a overkill setup ;) I tend to over design systems...

I see some 3070's on BOB, 2nd hand though, comment.
need to get my Carbonite account reactivated...
comment on the following board for me : Asus ROG B760

G
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R17k for a 4070 sounds crazy, you can definitely get a Palit or Zotac for under 14k, probably closer to 13k.

The motherboard looks really cool and I assume it's great but will it do anything a board for R2k less won't do exactly the same?
 
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