The problem with iMessage
Hilton Tarrant says there’s a complex identity issue here for Apple to solve
Hilton Tarrant says there’s a complex identity issue here for Apple to solve
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The problem with Apple's iMessage
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MightyMuffinMan
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Android and bbm seems yo have solved this problem
Andriod? Does it provide such service or you're talking about third party applications
Hamster
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Been an Apple fan for years (back to the translucent mac's) - but lately loosing faith (and VERY quickly!)
iMessage is terrible not even worth the time - why don't they buy Whatsapp?
Face Time is a waste unless you and the other person are in a Wifi zone (think carefully about it - how often is that - NOT alot, and very restrictive) they need to make facetime run over data networks if they ever want it to be a success - Skype is miles ahead.
iCloud - rubbish, got syncing issues and WHY do I need an @me email to run my emails through the cloud - How many people do you know that have moved away from googles services in favor of iCloud - me NONE
iOS needs a revamp - had the original iPhone was exciting for a few years, decided to upgrade to iPhone 4s - felt disappointed from the minute i opened the box - had it for a week and got ride of it - Nothing new exciting about it, Siri (maybe in the US)
iPad 1 - revolutionary, iPad - very good and much needed improvements, 'New' iPad - what a waste ABSOLUTELY no need if you have an iPad 2 played with it for 2 min and turned around and walked out.
New Apple TV UI - looks strikingly similar to Samsung's android OS
Excuse the rant - but Apple is becoming such a has been for me
Whats NEXT - which other company is changing the world i am VERY keen to find it.
iMessage is terrible not even worth the time - why don't they buy Whatsapp?
Face Time is a waste unless you and the other person are in a Wifi zone (think carefully about it - how often is that - NOT alot, and very restrictive) they need to make facetime run over data networks if they ever want it to be a success - Skype is miles ahead.
iCloud - rubbish, got syncing issues and WHY do I need an @me email to run my emails through the cloud - How many people do you know that have moved away from googles services in favor of iCloud - me NONE
iOS needs a revamp - had the original iPhone was exciting for a few years, decided to upgrade to iPhone 4s - felt disappointed from the minute i opened the box - had it for a week and got ride of it - Nothing new exciting about it, Siri (maybe in the US)
iPad 1 - revolutionary, iPad - very good and much needed improvements, 'New' iPad - what a waste ABSOLUTELY no need if you have an iPad 2 played with it for 2 min and turned around and walked out.
New Apple TV UI - looks strikingly similar to Samsung's android OS
Excuse the rant - but Apple is becoming such a has been for me
Whats NEXT - which other company is changing the world i am VERY keen to find it.
Sl8er
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Careful now, you will invoke the wrath of jobs if you continue to slag apple products. Remember, hell hath no fury as the cult of apple scorned.
There's your problem - you treat Apple like a religion . . . and you can't spell losing.
Why would they? If people want it they can download it. Lets face it iMessage isn't hurting iPhone sales.
Agreed.
But you don't.
It pretty clear now that apple themselves are designing the iPad with the same two year upgrade cycle they have done for the iPhone.
Ironically this UI design is about five years old and Jobs binned it.
ooh year that one, yeah you're right
murraybiscuit
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To some extent I feel that apple is a victim of their own success here. What users were expecting was an app with a pretty icon. What young apple users wanted was a bbm experience and what moms and pops wanted was to finally get on the IM bandwagon which they heard about but needed apple to hold their hand.
What they got instead was a protocol that was hard to pin down, hard to corellate with a single differentiating benefit and hard to evangelize about.
What they got instead was a protocol that was hard to pin down, hard to corellate with a single differentiating benefit and hard to evangelize about.
I have an iPad and an iPhone and I love iMessage. The biggest pain, sure, is to tell people that they should send out to your email address rather than your phone, as that allows the messages to come to all devices. It helps if you set the "Caller ID" (what a wrong term) to your email address and then start sending messages.
But is Google Talk so advanced on the Android platform that it keeps the two devices (Android tablet & Android phone) in sync, in real time, and picks up which device you're using? And comparing this to BBM, which ONLY exists on BlackBerry (and you can't use it on the Playbook without bridge, and then it syncs via Bluetooth in any case, and you can't use it with another device)?
WhatsApp works well, except that they are making THE classic mistake and linking it to your phone number. This way, I can ONLY chat on my phone using whatever keyboard there is - not on my PC, not on my tablet (Android and or other). Heck, they don't even allow you to sign in from two places at a time.
Honestly, the future is where you can decide your identity (email address) and link it on any device (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc.) and chat on any one of them - then switch to another platform without the guy on the other side noticing this. This goes for voice and IM. iMessage at least is slightly better in this sense in that it does sync the chats between the two/three/four devices (As long as somebody sends a message to your email address). I've also found that it DOES pick up when using a particular device, and it doesn't make a sound on the other (or am I confused)?
Trillian using the PC and the iPad / iPhone app gives me this continuous client for GTalk as well (but they don't support Skype yet). Skype at least, on its own, syncs all the chats, but yes, it does pop up annoying push notifications on my iPhone while chatting on my PC.
But is Google Talk so advanced on the Android platform that it keeps the two devices (Android tablet & Android phone) in sync, in real time, and picks up which device you're using? And comparing this to BBM, which ONLY exists on BlackBerry (and you can't use it on the Playbook without bridge, and then it syncs via Bluetooth in any case, and you can't use it with another device)?
WhatsApp works well, except that they are making THE classic mistake and linking it to your phone number. This way, I can ONLY chat on my phone using whatever keyboard there is - not on my PC, not on my tablet (Android and or other). Heck, they don't even allow you to sign in from two places at a time.
Honestly, the future is where you can decide your identity (email address) and link it on any device (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc.) and chat on any one of them - then switch to another platform without the guy on the other side noticing this. This goes for voice and IM. iMessage at least is slightly better in this sense in that it does sync the chats between the two/three/four devices (As long as somebody sends a message to your email address). I've also found that it DOES pick up when using a particular device, and it doesn't make a sound on the other (or am I confused)?
Trillian using the PC and the iPad / iPhone app gives me this continuous client for GTalk as well (but they don't support Skype yet). Skype at least, on its own, syncs all the chats, but yes, it does pop up annoying push notifications on my iPhone while chatting on my PC.
I'm sorry, but I just tested this:
...and it is not true. I received some iMessages from my brother on my phone, chatted a while, picked up my iPad and there were no notifications. Went into iMessage and sure enough, our whole conversation were synced.
...and it is not true. I received some iMessages from my brother on my phone, chatted a while, picked up my iPad and there were no notifications. Went into iMessage and sure enough, our whole conversation were synced.
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Dude, Gtalk is kept in sync on my Windows PC, the online gtalk widget inside the gmail web interface, on my android and my iPad (via IMO). I can talk to anyone with an account and not just people with a similar device. It makes iMessage look like a ****ing joke.
Elimentals
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Agreed that GTalk is about the best all rounder esp when you start using more than one phone/tablet + PC, an area that Whatsapp or other such services really suck in. Using Vtok on iOS
Only thing I wish is that Google Voice was supported everywhere.
[video=youtube;cOZU7BOeQ58]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOZU7BOeQ58[/video]
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murraybiscuit
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And is it device aware - i.e., it picks up on which device you're using it and "mute" notifications on the other?
I use GTalk as well, but it has another flaw and that is that people are not guaranteed to be online. On Android this is less of a problem as most people are permanently signed in. But on other devices, there's no guarantee that people will be signed in, making it a poor substitute for SMS (and subsequently, iMessage). At least I know I can always send an iMessage and it will get there (even fall back to SMS if necessary).
BBM has this advantage as well - there's no way to "sign out" of it.
Oh how I wish there was. Serious design flaw imo.
I don't know - I would rather like the ability to block certain contacts at will, than sign out all together.
It means that I can rely on BBM-ing somebody at any time and know that they will get the message (thereby saving me an SMS / call), whereas as they could be signed out, I have to revert to SMS (and they can't sign out of that).
It is the same principle as with SMS - switch off your phone if you don't want to be bothered. Alternatively, switch your BBM to "Busy / Do not disturb" and I will respect that.