The "Prove Eskom is Lying" Thread

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The point, hopefully, of this thread is to prove Eskom is lying about load shedding.

Earlier, Eskom web site reported "no loadshedding", yet a forumite on here claimed he was being load shedded.

Can we, on here, report when you were load shedded, and what the Eskom web site said at that time?

Any one have an idea how this can be enhanced?
 
How do you tell the difference between a load shed and a legitimate outage?
 
Well I think what might actually be useful is to take all the different sources of "information" that are supposed to tell us about load shedding and put them in one place, and log them... Cos I doubt they correlate. Esp after what I saw this morning, when the poweralert site went from brown stage 2 into red instantly...
 
bwana said:
How do you tell the difference between a load shed and a legitimate outage?
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Bwana - I hear that.
However, it is the same thing, sort of, at the end of the day.

If Sandton has an "oops", it saves 1000MW (say), so, therefore, no need to loadshed. :-)


Anyways, at the end of the day, if 6 suburbs all have a "legitimate outage" at once, it will tell us something.
 
bwana said:
How do you tell the difference between a load shed and a legitimate outage?
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Aside from bad weather, fire etc. what really causes a legitimate outage? If its not caused by something natural then it all comes down to bad maintenance, incompetence etc. in the end.
 
Syndyre said:
Aside from bad weather, fire etc. what really causes a legitimate outage? If its not caused by something natural then it all comes down to bad maintenance, incompetence etc. in the end.
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Yeah - I came back here to say very much the same thing.

We have been brainwashed into "polarising our thoughts".
Its either "load shedding" (BIG BAD WORD - NASTY), or "just a regular blown up substation" (GOOD WORD _ NICE).

At the end of the day - no power is no power - regardless of how you want to colour the words in.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Esp after what I saw this morning, when the poweralert site went from brown stage 2 into red instantly...
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Anyone else notice that the poweralert.co.za site has 4 graphs (Western Cape, Eastern Cape, Kwa-Zulu Natal and National) - yet at any one time, all 4 graphs are IDENTICAL! I find it amazing that EC has the same patterns as WC .. or that all 4 provinces are perfectly tracking the national averages :D
 
Syndyre said:
Aside from bad weather, fire etc. what really causes a legitimate outage? If its not caused by something natural then it all comes down to bad maintenance, incompetence etc. in the end.
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For the last few months of 2007 and continuing into this year from Feb they've been replacing the lines leading into my area. Every second Wednesday they cut the power all day.

It wasnt bad maintenance nor incompetence - my area has grown so quickly we needed the upgrade so I definitely see that as a legitimate outage.
 
bwana said:
For the last few months of 2007 and continuing into this year from Feb they've been replacing the lines leading into my area. Every second Wednesday they cut the power all day.

It wasnt bad maintenance nor incompetence - my area has grown so quickly we needed the upgrade so I definitely see that as a legitimate outage.
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One could just as easily argue that the growth and new cables have proven the infrastructure is no longer able to support the load.
Has the main distribution station / sub station (whatever its called) been upgraded?
What about the cables supplying that (remember DeadFordNoView?).
 
bwana said:
For the last few months of 2007 and continuing into this year from Feb they've been replacing the lines leading into my area. Every second Wednesday they cut the power all day.

It wasnt bad maintenance nor incompetence - my area has grown so quickly we needed the upgrade so I definitely see that as a legitimate outage.
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Ok that's legitimate but presumably with that they notify you in advance so you know to expect it and you'd know it wasn't load shedding.
 
Syndyre said:
Ok that's legitimate but presumably with that they notify you in advance so you know to expect it and you'd know it wasn't load shedding.
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Sure - but its pretty commonplace for us to miss the notices :)

We also get frequent outages when the wind blows - it doesnt even have to be particularly hard. Obviously they're actively trying to alleviate it by putting up the new lines but until that job is completed random powercuts in the area are pretty much expected.

Also - in PE (afaik) Eskom doesnt determine what area is shed - they leave that up to the municipality and they dont seem to be publishing much info on who's going to be hit and when.
 
Syndyre said:
Aside from bad weather, fire etc. what really causes a legitimate outage? If its not caused by something natural then it all comes down to bad maintenance, incompetence etc. in the end.
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What about cable theft?
 
bwana said:
Sure - but its pretty commonplace for us to miss the notices :)

We also get frequent outages when the wind blows - it doesnt even have to be particularly hard. Obviously they're actively trying to alleviate it by putting up the new lines but until that job is completed random powercuts in the area are pretty much expected.

Also - in PE (afaik) Eskom doesnt determine what area is shed - they leave that up to the municipality and they dont seem to be publishing much info on who's going to be hit and when.
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Ok true. :) Outages from wind and PE are a bad combination. :D Yeah AFAIK in all the municipalities that supply power directly Eskom tells the municipality to cut x amount of power and how they do it is up to them. Can't find any PE schedule on the web though.
 
Syndyre said:
Ok true. :) Outages from wind and PE are a bad combination. :D Yeah AFAIK in all the municipalities that supply power directly Eskom tells the municipality to cut x amount of power and how they do it is up to them. Can't find any PE schedule on the web though.
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Apparently I have to listen to radio algoa if I want to know so I've opted for the surprise me approach. :D
 
Is there anybody in the northcliff/cresta area that can confirm any outages in january.

I've checked our ups on northcliff and the only time there was a power failure for longer than a hour was on the 4 Jan 2008 from 00:08 - 02:43.

The rest of the time it goes off for not longer than 2 - 3 minutes.

Sandton on the other hand is a different story.

Is there a big hospital in the area that i dont know about.
 
bwana said:
How do you tell the difference between a load shed and a legitimate outage?
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Legitimate outages tend not to happen at the same times every day! Although I spose Eskom hasnt really kept to their schedule either.
 
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