The real issue

leonardharley

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Hi,

Probaly throwing the cat amongst the pigeons here but here goes anyway...

In my opinion the real issue at hand is the Telkom monopoly over communications services. It is clear to me that ICASA is a toothless regulator. They are clearly biased towards Telkom - why has it taken so long for deregulation of the telecoms industry in South Africa to begin happening? Why is EVERY bid to date tarnished in the eyes of ICASA? Does Telkom & ICASA think that the public is STUPID!

Personally I think that the issue actually needs to evelated to the highest level in government. This may sound childish but think on the following:
* Every country in the world is driven by it's economy
* The number of Small and meduim sized businesses by far exceed the number of large corporations
* The Internet is a leveler - i.e. a small business can promote and sell it's products and services as effectively as a multinational on the Internet.
* Communications drive business!
* Telkom has legally monopolised the fixed line communications industry in SA (also dont forget about Vodacom)!
* Customers of all sizes have no choice - if you want to earn a living in this country you HAVE TO USE TELKOM DAILY, regardless of cost or quality or service!
* Competition is the lifeblood of free market economies - competion = choice which ultimately = lower costs due to competition.

Mabey I'm an idiot but the above is my logic on the issue.

I think it is high time that ALL South Aricans across the economic and political spectrum be heard as one voice - ENOUGH is ENOUGH - Mr Mbeki must now intervene - get rid of the innefectual Minister of Communications who clearly is not skilled enough to hold the post - replace the individual with someone who has the pedigree to hold such a key post (look at the high regard for Mr. Trevor Manual internationally).

Commited action to accelarate deregulation in the telco sector is URGENTLY needed and SHOULD BE DEMANDED BY ALL SOUTH AFRICANS. Surely the Telkom monopoly goes against free market principles, and this affects EACH AND EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN - a better economy means more jobs which = less unemployment which actually affects all of us.

I am sure I am going to get flamed for this post but what the hell - it's an open forum - it's my opinion and opinions are like armpits - everyone has one!
 
Well said.

The reason for Telkom being allowed to do as they please by ICASA (The toothless regulator)is because of money.

Our telecomms market is only so big, and having one person (company)
rule the roost makes for less regulatory work (i.e less people (businesses) you have to satisfy = less legal costs = more $$$ for Benzes etc.

And remember for every Rand collected by Telkom in revenue, 14% has to go to our govt, yes those boys and girls in BMW's, Mercs and the like. So a drop in prices will result in a drop in $$$ to the govt, note I am saying the govt not the people of South Africa, and that won't keep the BMW's fuelled up, the new houses rolling, the legal costs covered during "witch hunt" corruption charges or to keep that insane little jet for the president stocked with fine wines and good food.

It is a question of eceonomics. Eceonomics is the study of money flow. From our pockets to the govt and Telkoms.
 
Speaking of which. The current monopoly that Telkom has might also be considered unconstitutional according to our laws. Everyone should have the right to choose which operator he wants to use.
So money is the only reason why nothing has been done about it.
 
Come to think of it, I have seen a great increase in the number of X5's and ML's riding around in the PTA CBD.....

Go figure....
 
A further point on the above:

Appointing a SNO is NOT GOOD ENOUGH - this country requires a truly deregulated telco industry i.e. where regional operators my provide services to local communities in competition with each other (The greater London CBD has over 50 end user telco's to choose from - go figure!).

In my view Telkom and the SNO (what SNO?) should be wholesalers providing core infrastructure services to regional operators - sure let them also offer services to end users (as long as they cannot practise predatory price tactics due to ownership of the core backbone) - let them compete 1:1 with client focussed companies that will make damn sure their clients are happy / get value for money etc. I think it would be safe to say that Telkom would slip from the mind of the consumer very quickly and in effect become the Sentech of the telco world in SA.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">* Telkom has legally monopolised the fixed line communications industry in SA (also dont forget about Vodacom)!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i find all the accusastions @ Vodacom quite funny... exactly what has Vodacom done to monopolise lines? there are currently 3 Cellular providers.. where is the monopoly in that?
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MercuryStorm</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">* Telkom has legally monopolised the fixed line communications industry in SA (also dont forget about Vodacom)!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

i find all the accusastions @ Vodacom quite funny... exactly what has Vodacom done to monopolise lines? there are currently 3 Cellular providers.. where is the monopoly in that?
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It gets me thinking , what (hypothetically) does one do , CellC for example if you're not allowed to use a certain geographical site and the objectors to CellC allow say Vodacom to utilise the same site for the same purpose of a base station installation.

All (hypothetical , no accusations)
 
Having a monopoly is bad, but a duopoly isn't much better. You may end up with almost an almost free competition market with three big companies, but most likely what will happen is an oligopoly. Oligopolies are when multiple companies make agreements with each other in order to maximize profit and profit margin in terms of the whole group. Instead of each company taking its own course in order to maximize its own profits, the group will make decisions to maximize profit. Profit in an oligopoly is usually more than free market competition for the same companies.
 
I've been doing some reading as per all of us ..

http://www.telkom.co.za/adsl/ordering1.jsp?g=2

Terms and conditions ..

Telkom cannot guarantee the provision of the requested service upon the receipt of a telephonic or electronic order. You will be formally notified after receipt of an official telephonic or electronic order on whether or not the ADSL access service can be provided.

The provision of Telkom's ADSL access service is subject to network availability, distance, copper quality and line sync speed limitations. Telkom would therefore advise you not to purchase an ADSL modem or upgrade your PC prior to confirmation that service can be provided. ADSL is a best effort service and no guarantees are provided on throughput. ADSL is an access medium to the Internet or your preferred ISP and will not overcome any bandwidth related constraints within the World Wide Web.

To provide all ADSL customers with a reasonable service a 3 Gigabyte limit was introduced as part of the Internet service to ensure that power users do not abuse the international bandwidth and to equally distribute the limited bandwidth amongst all ADSL access end users.

Once a customer exceeds the 3 Gigabyte volume limit for the month his international traffic will be transported over a slower international link without affecting his local access. He will experience slower access speeds on the alternate international link, as he will then be sharing this link with all other customers who exceed the 3 Giga byte cap.

International traffic is shaped to ensure that bandwidth hungry applications such as peer-to-peer including Kazaa, Fasttrack, Napster & Pop3 etc. does not adversely affect other applications.

*whilst I'm stating the obvious , it does pay to re-read it should we experience issues as is the purpose of this forum*
 
Yes, it is stated as such, but this only appeared on their website about a month ago. (bandwidth shaping).

There was none of that when I signed up in August of last year.
 
I second that this :

"International traffic is shaped to ensure that bandwidth hungry applications such as peer-to-peer including Kazaa, Fasttrack, Napster & Pop3 etc. does not adversely affect other applications. "

is a new addition and it would of stopped me from subscribing to ADSL if this had been available at the time I applied, I used Kazaa extensively with my dial-up.
 
The Port prioritization serves to take the choice of what you use your connection for out of your hands, and that's just not on - if you're capped it shouldn't matter whether you use Kazaa, Messenger, IRC, etc. (they currently perform at after-cap speeds anyway) the same with uncapped... you'll just hit your cap faster, again, thats up to the customer to choose, not for Telkom.
 
Leonard,
Very well said, you won't get flamed you get accolades.

You are so right that the communications infrastucture is a key driver of any economy as were the railways in the 19th century.
When there is still such a high level of unemployment, the small to medium size companies employ the vast majority in an open economy, and effective competitively price communications is essential.
We don't have that even for domestic voice calls (so we don't get into the International bandwidth debate)

But having said that, a crime free society is also a pre-requisite for growth, and unfortunately President Mbeki can't even get his head around that.

What hope do we have that he will lessen his globe trotting in his nice new Boeing Business jet for even a day on the SA communications issue.
Your views on ICASA are 110% correct. Toothless is the word.
gb
 
Evidently I am not the only one who thinks the Minister of Communications should depart from office....

Take a look at http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/doubletake/dewet020508.asp?A=COL&S=Columnists&T=Columnist&O=A
 
Hi Leonard

Thanks for the insightful posting. You have indeed summed up to problem. I wish we could tackle this issue as well, but I have seen how difficult it is to simply convince them to listen to us (their users). They are not particularly interested….

But I have also seen that no company is immune to media reports and action from their users. This forum is growing fast and a new wave of action is coming up. They will definitely try to ignore us again, as they did with the first wave, but it will get increasingly difficult to describe us as a small group of disgruntled users. The longer they ignore us, the tougher it gets to admit they were wrong, the more we grow, more action follows…and so fourth…

This website, forum and action resulting from it can serve as a small sample of things to follow if the situation does not change.

Regards,

RPM
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Hi RPM,

Would you be opposed to a forum discussing deregulation issues?

"The Great Deregulation War has begun!"
 
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