The Renault Kwid Thread (Kwid Lovers)

Foxhound5366 said:
But hey, maybe I need to experience the new crop to see if anything's changed.
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I think that you should do just that...And give your observations.

Let's hear your opinions on shut lines, panel gaps, paint blend, material cover and fit.
Your expert opinion of assembly standards will be most welcome.

I just can't wait.
 
stroller said:
I think that you should do just that...And give your observations.

Let's hear your opinions on shut lines, panel gaps, paint blend, material cover and fit.
Your expert opinion of assembly standards will be most welcome.

I just can't wait.
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You know stroller, the difference here is that you have decided to insult me, while I was just stating a carefully-clarified personal opinion and even expressing a willingness to revise said opinion based on new facts (more than you'll find in most places here). I've honestly never met anybody that feels that 'well-built' is a phrase that rolls off the tongue in association with Indian-manufactured cars, but if you do then I respect your opinion.
 
ahoudet said:
Well, I've spent a little bit of time in the Atos and a lot in both the old and new Picantos as well as the facelift Figo.

The Figo is definitely a lot nicer than the old Atos and Picanto in terms of drive and build quality. Those two just feel tinny and weak in comparison to the Figo. The new Picanto is better than the Figo though.
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Hey, I got rid of the Atos within a couple months ... AND the Renault Sandero I bought to replace it (I used to keep finding the staples they'd used to secure the carpets coming out - on a brand new car!) ... so I've paid my school fees in the expensiveness of buying cheap. Back when I was driving the Atos though (as a young guy) I was pretty impressed with how well put together everything was: it was light and budget no doubt, but it never struck me as carelessly flimsy. I don't think I've ever seen anything as cheap as the speedo dial in the Toyota Etios, have you? Or how about the faux wood grain finish on the plastic armrests in the Honda Brio? There have been some spectacularly bad decisions made in these cars to date.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Hey, I got rid of the Atos within a couple months ... AND the Renault Sandero I bought to replace it (I used to keep finding the staples they'd used to secure the carpets coming out - on a brand new car!) ... so I've paid my school fees in the expensiveness of buying cheap. Back when I was driving the Atos though (as a young guy) I was pretty impressed with how well put together everything was: it was light and budget no doubt, but it never struck me as carelessly flimsy. I don't think I've ever seen anything as cheap as the speedo dial in the Toyota Etios, have you? Or how about the faux wood grain finish on the plastic armrests in the Honda Brio? There have been some spectacularly bad decisions made in these cars to date.
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I do agree with you and that's why I'd rather buy an older, more premium car at the same price as a new Etios.

It's more of an issue with the segment than where the car is made... Costs have been cut in that segment, no matter where it's made.
 
ahoudet said:
It's more of an issue with the segment than where the car is made... Costs have been cut in that segment, no matter where it's made.
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Yup, unfortunately for India they've now got the reputation as everybody's go-to destination to make ultra-budget cars ... and the sad thing is that once they hit our shores they're pretty damn expensive. I often wonder what's going to happen in South Africa: public transport still isn't up to scratch and cars' prices have spiralled beyond merely expensive into "definitely unaffordable". We all had high hopes for the VW Up as a cheap supermini, and now I see the latest top-of-the-range costs over R180 000 ... it's no wonder you see more and more young people buying Datsun Go's despite their horrible safety record.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Yup, unfortunately for India they've now got the reputation as everybody's go-to destination to make ultra-budget cars ... and the sad thing is that once they hit our shores they're pretty damn expensive. I often wonder what's going to happen in South Africa: public transport still isn't up to scratch and cars' prices have spiralled beyond merely expensive into "definitely unaffordable". We all had high hopes for the VW Up as a cheap supermini, and now I see the latest top-of-the-range costs over R180 000 ... it's no wonder you see more and more young people buying Datsun Go's despite their horrible safety record.
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More bicycles
More small engined motorbikes
More non-premium compacts
 
Foxhound5366 said:
You know stroller, the difference here is that you have decided to insult me, while I was just stating a carefully-clarified personal opinion and even expressing a willingness to revise said opinion based on new facts (more than you'll find in most places here). I've honestly never met anybody that feels that 'well-built' is a phrase that rolls off the tongue in association with Indian-manufactured cars, but if you do then I respect your opinion.
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I insulted you?
I merely asked that you qualify your submission.
Tell me about the poor quality that comes from India with regard to Figo, Swift and BR-V.
 
Hamster said:
More bicycles
More small engined motorbikes
More non-premium compacts
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I actually think a large part of the solution lies in lift clubs. Whenever I see all the single-occupant cars on the highways it's the obvious solution. Uber is doing a lot of that internationally, on-demand lift clubs with people close to you, but I don't think we trust strangers enough in South Africa.
 
stroller said:
I insulted you?
I merely asked that you qualify your submission.
Tell me about the poor quality that comes from India with regard to Figo, Swift and BR-V.
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Stroller, would you mind explaining what your personal connection is to Indian cars? Are you a car dealer, or maybe India's Minister of Trade? You're taking a surprising level of offense at a very well-known fact.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Stroller, would you mind explaining what your personal connection is to Indian cars? Are you a car dealer, or maybe India's Minister of Trade? You're taking a surprising level of offense at a very well-known fact.
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None of the above.
BUT... I've been in automotive engineering for many years and it pisses me off when people sprout ****...like you do.
I've never claimed that India produces flawless vehicles but not all are crap as you have implied.
End of story.
 
stroller said:
None of the above.
BUT... I've been in automotive engineering for many years and it pisses me off when people sprout ****...like you do.
I've never claimed that India produces flawless vehicles but not all are crap as you have implied.
End of story.
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So the fact that five Indian-made cars (including the Kwid) scored zero stars in the Ncap test is what ... proof of their superior build quality? Dude, pick a fight with me all you want, but I'd like to think you weren't quite as emotionally attached to it. For the record I also used to work in a job that exposed me to a very large number of cars from every price bracket and manufacturer, so I know very well that *every* car has its flaws (if it's made by humans and moderated by accountants then it has to have). That experience left me with an appreciation of "cheap and cheerful" and "woefully compromised" and where the line between the two lies. Let's leave it there, good luck to you and well done on your pioneering support of the Indian motor industry :)
 
There are a few Indian sourced vehicles of different brands that are deemed unsafe compared to the same said vehicles being manufactured in other parts of the world - unstable cabin/passenger cells etc. that would not be able to bear more load according to crash test results - Suzuki Swift 1.2, Hyundai Grand I10, Nissan Micra and whatever else. The Toyota Etios, not being a world car as such and only Indian/Brazilian manufactured surprisingly held up in crash test results. The Chevrolet Utility that arrives here in a knocked down assembly kit and is based on a hatch from Brazil is just as
unstable when it comes to the cabin/passenger cell - with the Nissan Np 200 being a much safer purchase then. The manufacturers / alliances exploiting markets are to blame...
 
Foxhound5366 said:
You know stroller, the difference here is that you have decided to insult me, while I was just stating a carefully-clarified personal opinion and even expressing a willingness to revise said opinion based on new facts (more than you'll find in most places here). I've honestly never met anybody that feels that 'well-built' is a phrase that rolls off the tongue in association with Indian-manufactured cars, but if you do then I respect your opinion.
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My indian Ford Figo (which is really just an old Fiesta) is well-built...
 
Foxhound5366 said:
So the fact that five Indian-made cars (including the Kwid) scored zero stars in the Ncap test is what ... proof of their superior build quality? Dude, pick a fight with me all you want, but I'd like to think you weren't quite as emotionally attached to it. For the record I also used to work in a job that exposed me to a very large number of cars from every price bracket and manufacturer, so I know very well that *every* car has its flaws (if it's made by humans and moderated by accountants then it has to have). That experience left me with an appreciation of "cheap and cheerful" and "woefully compromised" and where the line between the two lies. Let's leave it there, good luck to you and well done on your pioneering support of the Indian motor industry :)
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So since you put so much faith into the Global NCAP tests you refer to (where many scored zero), I points you to these quotes:

http://www.globalncap.org/ford-figo-no-airbags-means-zero-star-safety/
The Ford Figo had a structure that remained stable – and, therefore, with airbags fitted, protection for the driver and front passenger would be much improved. In the 64km/h NCAP test, the Ford Figo achieved a zero-star rating for its adult occupant protection. The vehicle structure was rated as stable, but without safety equipment such as airbags, too much of the crash energy was absorbed directly by the occupants.
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http://www.globalncap.org/global-ncap-calls-for-urgent-withdrawal-of-datsun-go/
The latest crash test results of the #SaferCarsforIndia campaign, released by Global NCAP in Delhi on Monday, show that Nissan’s Datsun Go received a zero-star safety rating. The vehicle structure collapsed and was rated unstable during the test. The high forces placed on the crash test dummies pose a grave risk of death or serious injury. The Go’s body shell is so unstable that it would be pointless to include airbags in the car.
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So some scored zero because they didn't have airbags (Figo would probably score 3. 2002 Fiesta scored 4 in European NCAP under old rules), and some will score zero even if they had airbags.

Ford Ecosport scored 4 in European NCAP:
http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/ecosport/8867
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Stroller, would you mind explaining what your personal connection is to Indian cars? Are you a car dealer, or maybe India's Minister of Trade? You're taking a surprising level of offense at a very well-known fact.
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+1

There might, emphasis on might, be a few exceptions to the rule like the old Figo which actually felt like a pretty decent car when it came out, but overall I have to agree that cars from India have a definite "cheapness" to them.
 
boeriebuffet said:
+1

There might, emphasis on might, be a few exceptions to the rule like the old Figo which actually felt like a pretty decent car when it came out, but overall I have to agree that cars from India have a definite "cheapness" to them.
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Cause the cheap ones are cheap, the less cheap ones are less cheap.
 
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