The Rugby Thread - Part Deux

Brawler said:
Sacha had a bit of a shocker. He has moments of brilliance in every game but his overall kicking is rather kak at the moment.

If it was Manie who kicked like that there would be Manie Miskop memes here right now.

Sacha is the clear future project so lets give him time but I wont be surprised to see Pollard back at least on the bench in future tight games.
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Manies kicking is way better than Sacha, but he will grow. Manie getting penalized and carded for shithousery at their mistake was so worth it lol. Had a proper laugh at that. I was begging for him and Williams to come on earlier. Reinach frustrates the hell out of me sometimes as well. We are thin at number 9 i feel. That Morne vd Berg is not international standard either.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
@Whright score predictions for the upcoming match ?
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Argentina have been a good team lately, did well in the rugby championship and have had a good autumn tour so far.

But they have not been able to beat England recently either, I reckon England by 7 or 10.
 
After that last excessive England celebration I was expecting a …





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Congratulations England, a close game in the end, but winning and moving in the right direction.

Argentina fought back hard until the end, just not good enough.
 
abisel said:
I think they equalled the record for the most cards received in an international game. Frankly, I don't think they received enough cards, they were clearly overpowered and only their cynical play reduced scoreline.
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Ref lost control and was clearly adament he was not going to have any reds if he could help to the point wouldnt give 2nd yellow to repeat offenders or more penalty tries after the first.

Ireland were immensely cynical, not brave and whats scary is that the tactic almost paid off, not simply cause the ref succumbed to it, but that the Boks didnt see through it and just kept going for scrums and not kicks, keeping Ireland with a sniff. Couldve easily backfired, the senior leadership on the field need more situational awareness of these things.

Ireland simply overloaded the ref till he snapped which made the 2nd half, especially last quarter so much easier for them than it shouldve been, distrupting Bok ball with almost impunity at times, continuously breaking their momentum.

The tactic of "referee overload through continuous infringements" is a deliberate, unsportsmanlike strategy in rugby and other sports. A team commits numerous small, borderline, or rotational infractions to disrupt the opposition's momentum and overwhelm the referee's ability to penalize every foul. This can pressure the referee into shifting from strict enforcement to a more lenient "management mode," which benefits the offending team.

Ireland knew what they were doing and Boks almost fell for it.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Ref lost control and was clearly adament he was not going to have any reds if he could help to the point wouldnt give 2nd yellow to repeat offenders or more penalty tries after the first.

Ireland were immensely cynical, not brave and whats scary is that the tactic almost paid off, not simply cause the ref succumbed to it, but that the Boks didnt see through it and just kept going for scrums and not kicks, keeping Ireland with a sniff. Couldve easily backfired, the senior leadership on the field need more situational awareness of these things.

Ireland simply overloaded the ref till he snapped which made the 2nd half, especially last quarter so much easier for them than it shouldve been, distrupting Bok ball with almost impunity at times, continuously breaking their momentum.

The tactic of "referee overload through continuous infringements" is a deliberate, unsportsmanlike strategy in rugby and other sports. A team commits numerous small, borderline, or rotational infractions to disrupt the opposition's momentum and overwhelm the referee's ability to penalize every foul. This can pressure the referee into shifting from strict enforcement to a more lenient "management mode," which benefits the offending team.

Ireland knew what they were doing and Boks almost fell for it.
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Good points ^

Agree Ireland 🇮🇪 did play very dirty deliberately and intentionally.

I believe PSDT who was the Captain when SK went off kept on going to the scrum hoping the Referee would see Ireland's "dirty" tactics and award a penalty try again.

But yes as we know the Captaincy isn't a one ruler in the Springbok team, other senior players should have taken a different approach etc.

However need to give credit to Ireland on defending very well, we really struggled to finish when we were right there numerous times, maybe we were relying too much on the forwards to "finish" when we were in close, instead of doing something else like in past matches.

But jaa we should have finished with at least 12 to 16 points extra on the scoreboard.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Good points ^

Agree Ireland 🇮🇪 did play very dirty deliberately and intentionally.

I believe PSDT who was the Captain when SK went off kept on going to the scrum hoping the Referee would see Ireland's "dirty" tactics and award a penalty try again.

But yes as we know the Captaincy isn't a one ruler in the Springbok team, other senior players should have taken a different approach etc.

However need to give credit to Ireland on defending very well, we really struggled to finish when we were right there numerous times, maybe we were relying too much on the forwards to "finish" when we were in close, instead of doing something else like in past matches.

But jaa we should have finished with at least 12 to 16 points extra on the scoreboard.
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Im not convinced by Ireland defending particularly well vs just getting away with alot considering the infringments wrecking our momentum, it was very clear last quarter it was happening, a very frustrating tactic and can see the more inexperienced guys like Sacha werr affected, to be expected.

Boks shouldve taken the easy kicks, instead trying to pile it on. Irelands tactic to overload ref shows they prepared for it, clearly did their homework on the ref and what they could get away with, how far ref would go before would be overwhelmed etc. Its alot easier to defend when you get to breakdown your opponents ball/momentum like Ireland got to do.

We certainly shouldve had more points, but that shouldve come from kicking the easy points. Trying to force more penalty tries was a senior player leadership tactical error, was never going to work, should been able to read situation, that ref had lost the plot, was not going to do it.

Writing was on the wall ref was cracking already end of 1st half when gave a penalty try but no yellow card.
 
Blu82 said:
Wildkard has an interesting take on the scrumms, his opinion is that South Africa specifically targeted one of the Irish players illegal scrumming method.

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Expanded analysis from him.

 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Im not convinced by Ireland defending particularly well vs just getting away with alot considering the infringments wrecking our momentum, it was very clear last quarter it was happening, a very frustrating tactic and can see the more inexperienced guys like Sacha werr affected, to be expected.

Boks shouldve taken the easy kicks, instead trying to pile it on. Irelands tactic to overload ref shows they prepared for it, clearly did their homework on the ref and what they could get away with, how far ref would go before would be overwhelmed etc. Its alot easier to defend when you get to breakdown your opponents ball/momentum like Ireland got to do.

We certainly shouldve had more points, but that shouldve come from kicking the easy points. Trying to force more penalty tries was a senior player leadership tactical error, was never going to work, should been able to read situation, that ref had lost the plot, was not going to do it.

Writing was on the wall ref was cracking already end of 1st half when gave a penalty try but no yellow card.
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The concern for me if the Boks took the three is that Ireland, given the way they play the breakdown, could easily regain the ball in our half and either slot one back or worse, score a try. Just because we camped in their 22 for a long period does not mean we would necessarily get back there so easily.

In fact, the try they scored was because we didn't exit our half properly.

SFM also was not kicking particularly well.

Anyway, Ireland have been doing these dirty breakdown tricks for years now and have always gotten away with it. At least they got somewhat pinged for it this time albeit not extensively enough. The referee I'm sure didn't want to oversee a game that farcical. He was in a lose-lose situation.
 
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