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MightyQuin said:

Another officiating shocker...
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Yeah Bongi should have been penalised for the no-wrap but there is an English player who regularily launches himself into players legs with no arms (forgot his name) which he did on Saturday again. Nothing was done about that either.
 
OhYeah84 said:
Yeah Bongi should have been penalised for the no-wrap but there is an English player who regularily launches himself into players legs with no arms (forgot his name) which he did on Saturday again. Nothing was done about that either.
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Sure, but the video isn't taking any dig at either team, it targetting the ref who got alot wrong, on both sides, no need to defend or pull out the whataboutism here.
Yes, difficult to catch everything, but there is just simply to high a failure rate at picking things up during a match at present.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Sure, but the video isn't taking any dig at either team, it targetting the ref who got alot wrong, on both sides, no need to defend or pull out the whataboutism here.
Yes, difficult to catch everything, but there is just simply to high a failure rate at picking things up during a match at present.
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Did I say it was taking a dig at 1 team only? I simply pointed out that there was an English player who does this regularily. Something I'd remembered after seeing a video of it last week.
 
On another note. I really do not get the praise Willemse is getting. He's barely 'half' a flyhalf and needs the rest of the backline to pick up the slack in order for him to play.
Its mindboggling that a player who doesn't even play flyhalf for his own URC team is keeping actual specialist flyhalf's out the squad, including the 1st choice flyhalf from his own URC team.
 
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Worst performance I have seen by The Sharks ever. Just shows you money can't fix a broken system and coach...
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Of course. Anglosphere now complains about officiating and that's fine... We do it and it's tantamount to a war crime... :mad:
 
Have to admit though, that seems awfully like obstruction at the beginning, protecting Willemse receiving the ball against charging in English player though.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
On another note. I really do not get the praise Willemse is getting. He's barely 'half' a flyhalf and needs the rest of the backline to pick up the slack in order for him to play.
Its mindboggling that a player who doesn't even play flyhalf for his own URC team is keeping actual specialist flyhalf's out the squad, including the 1st choice flyhalf from his own URC team.
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I don't really like him that much either, because he was a bad player in his beginning games for the Boks. But to say now that he doesn't deserve his praise is dumb. His attacking game was really good in this Europe tour, rather than saying the backline needed to pickup his slack, you should say that the backline complemented his play. He created gaps and beat people one on one with his side steps. That created points. Only thing that was not great was his kicking. He showed great improvement in his organizational game as well. His job in the Bok squad is utility player, so he is filling the flyhalf role just fine.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Have to admit though, that seems awfully like obstruction at the beginning, protecting Willemse receiving the ball against charging in English player though.
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Used to be that you need to hold your line. But this rule was changed to accommodate NZ who wants to move rugby more towards American football. Now for it to be obstruction the tackler needs to try harder and basically tackle both guys at once
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
On another note. I really do not get the praise Willemse is getting. He's barely 'half' a flyhalf and needs the rest of the backline to pick up the slack in order for him to play.
Its mindboggling that a player who doesn't even play flyhalf for his own URC team is keeping actual specialist flyhalf's out the squad, including the 1st choice flyhalf from his own URC team.
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Nobody plays players in their more traditional roles anymore. It is seen as too predictable and easy to defend against. Him not acting like a traditional flyhalf is the game plan not him lacks the skills.
 
rietrot said:
Nobody plays players in their more traditional roles anymore. It is seen as too predictable and easy to defend against. Him not acting like a traditional flyhalf is the game plan not him lacks the skills.
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That's some serious mental gymnastics there.
 
rietrot said:
Used to be that you need to hold your line. But this rule was changed to accommodate NZ who wants to move rugby more towards American football. Now for it to be obstruction the tackler needs to try harder and basically tackle both guys at once
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This actually lines up. Over the years been regular rules changes at what seems to the benefit to NZ on paper, only for them to eventually backfire so to speak as other teams adapt.
 
Avbob se stoep said:
I don't really like him that much either, because he was a bad player in his beginning games for the Boks. But to say now that he doesn't deserve his praise is dumb. His attacking game was really good in this Europe tour, rather than saying the backline needed to pickup his slack, you should say that the backline complemented his play. He created gaps and beat people one on one with his side steps. That created points. Only thing that was not great was his kicking. He showed great improvement in his organizational game as well. His job in the Bok squad is utility player, so he is filling the flyhalf role just fine.
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So you reckon ol' Elton was the best thing since sliced bread then at flyhalf?

Not so much an issue with Willemse in general, but just his selection at flyhalf. And imho, with that sheer dominance over England pack we had, it does feel like a somewhat mediocre performance tbh considering the platform handed to him on a silver platter.

I struggle to see the logic of Willemse keeping Libbok, an actual Flyhalf, out the squad and not playing centre, where the Boks have had serious issues on attack, especially the 12 channel etc. Have real concerns about depth at flyhalf leading into the WC and the consistent, seemingly never ending brick for brains issues at 12.

Alot of why the backline fired, imho, worth all of 2cents, is that we actually saw Faf finally playing more himself, vastly improved decision making from him, out of his 'kick everything rut' from 2021.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
So you reckon ol' Elton was the best thing since sliced bread then at flyhalf?
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No haha, he was actual kak for the longest time and then turned mediocre, then his issues started. Like he got a 100 chances at being great but did not use it.
MuterOfWorlds said:
I struggle to see the logic of Willemse keeping Libbok, an actual Flyhalf, out the squad and not playing centre, where the Boks have had serious issues on attack, especially the 12 channel etc. Have real concerns about depth at flyhalf leading into the WC and the consistent, seemingly never ending brick for brains issues at 12.
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You have a point with regards to the Libbok issue. I think the coaches places more value on experience and training with the squad. And personally I agree with it, you can't just throw someone into the deep side and hope they swim. So they bring on Libbok of the bench to ease him into the play, he might yet start for us.

I think you underestimate how valuable De Allende is for us. He does his job excellently, he needs to get us over the advantage line and draw in multiple defenders in order for the loose play to happen which is when our magic happens. However watch what happens when he is apart of the loose play, he runs the gaps and has magic hands - which is why Rassie and Jacques relies on him so much.
MuterOfWorlds said:
Alot of why the backline fired, imho, worth all of 2cents, is that we actually saw Faf finally playing more himself, vastly improved decision making from him, out of his 'kick everything rut' from 2021.
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Agreed. Also Willie Le Roux.
 
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