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MuterOfWorlds said:
Also, the Kriel/De Allende not passing is not about what is implied, but player roles, tactics etc. Yes, that they can go on auto-pilot not think in the moment is frustrating for us fans when an overlap etc, but its not an issue of selfishness etc. This and many other things have been discussed at length by Bok camp in the media numerous times, Rassie never holds back, whether its Chasing the Sun, his tweets, his own podcast, conferences and more.

It's also why questions about why Roos doesn't get picked on the other side of this coin are quite entertaining too. Rassie has been upfront about this to Roos and has says so. If he still isn't getting picked, it’s cause whatever the issue is, that Roos is aware of, Rassie doesn't feel he has sorted it out yet.
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Kriel and Damian need to understand that running hard now at their age into a brick ****ing wall won’t just get go forward. They are not your flashy type of centres no. They got the job done but time to move onto greener pastures and help the youngsters.

As for Roos, who’s standing infront of him in the squad?
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Kriel and Damian need to understand that running hard now at their age into a brick ****ing wall won’t just get go forward. They are not your flashy type of centres no. They got the job done but time to move onto greener pastures and help the youngsters.

As for Roos, who’s standing infront of him in the squad?
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Kriel and Damien approach is team tactic and they do get go forward ball. If they weren't doing what coaches wanted, they wouldn't have been selected once all season. You do realise what you imply of the coaches wrt their continued selection and your perspective issue with it? If what they doing isn't what coaches want, they wouldn't get picked, period. From our couch perspective, does it look the players are dof, many times yes, but we don't know what's going on, or at least, we do to some degree thanks to Rassie's bluntness and whatnot, but still, details we do not know.

As for Roos. As far as I understand the comments by Rassie on Roos, its Roos standing in his own way. Like Rassie spoke of himself and his own playing days in Chasing the Sun 1st season. It's a team game and if management don't think you gel, they don't think you gel and its up to you to work on it and prove you can.
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Kriel and Damian need to understand that running hard now at their age into a brick ****ing wall won’t just get go forward. They are not your flashy type of centres no. They got the job done but time to move onto greener pastures and help the youngsters.

As for Roos, who’s standing infront of him in the squad?
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Funny thing is Damian de Allende used to be a very flashy player. The way he plays now is what the coaching requires from him.
 
DarkStarMonday said:
I prefer Manie and Damian running the back line. SFM cant do it 100% week in week out. They need to share the work load.

SFM is good friends with Manie and Damian so there’s no ego there, they all play together at the Stormers.

Bok forwards they must be loving these guys.
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Manie has no BMT. He's exceptional most of the time, but fails in the big, pressure moments.
 
Speedster said:
Manie has no BMT. He's exceptional most of the time, but fails in the big, pressure moments.
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Tony and Rassie love him, after Wellington I don’t think he is going anywhere.

He has good vision and communication with the back line is fantastic.

Wonder if we might have a Polly / Libbok combo this weekend. With Rassie it’s a lucky packet now with his total rugby and hybrid players.
 
Talking about the flyhalfs.

How come when Manie or SFM etc do anything, like a cross-kick... People go mad... Yet... Pollard does this things, even during this very rugby champs, and there's not a peep?

Not only an example wrt Pollard. This whole season, we regularly see non-favourites do things others do, and not receive any praise, but another player do it, and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Boks fandom... Mindboggling as always with the tribalism/personal favourites and skewed perspectives.

And before anyone goes off, this is not about detracting from Manie or SFM, but rather questioning the constant rhetoric wrt Pollard. Does he bottle up when his team around him not performing, perhaps, but then, I'd rather win ugly when need to, than what we saw in the first test against Aus and continue trying to force a game that isn't on anymore like Manie did and we throw away a 22-0 lead and lose in spectacular fashion.

There is much to appreciate about a 10 that brings a calm head when things don't go well, Eden Park was another example, those early points, could easily have collapsed like 1st test against Aus, rather than slowing it down, building a recovery like what did happen. Why/how we have a weakness in the rain now, dunno, would think with all the games in Durban, Cape and Europe, the players would have some clue, but regardless, a calm head put us in shot, a platform to win after a disastrous start.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Talking about the flyhalfs.

How come when Manie or SFM etc do anything, like a cross-kick... People go mad... Yet... Pollard does this things, even during this very rugby champs, and there's not a peep?

Not only an example wrt Pollard. This whole season, we regularly see non-favourites do things others do, and not receive any praise, but another player do it, and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Boks fandom... Mindboggling as always with the tribalism/personal favourites and skewed perspectives.

And before anyone goes off, this is not about detracting from Manie or SFM, but rather questioning the constant rhetoric wrt Pollard. Does he bottle up when his team around him not performing, perhaps, but then, I'd rather win ugly when need to, than what we saw in the first test against Aus and continue trying to force a game that isn't on anymore like Manie did and we throw away a 22-0 lead and lose in spectacular fashion.

There is much to appreciate about a 10 that brings a calm head when things don't go well, Eden Park was another example, those early points, could easily have collapsed like 1st test against Aus, rather than slowing it down, building a recovery like what did happen. Why/how we have a weakness in the rain now, dunno, would think with all the games in Durban, Cape and Europe, the players would have some clue, but regardless, a calm head put us in shot, a platform to win after a disastrous start.
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Chill bro, Pollard will locking down with RG on the weekend … lol
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Tony and Rassie love him, after Wellington I don’t think he is going anywhere.

He has good vision and communication with the back line is fantastic.

Wonder if we might have a Polly / Libbok combo this weekend. With Rassie it’s a lucky packet now with his total rugby and hybrid players.
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Libbok for sure has the skills and vision etc.

But he seems to lack rugby 'nous' when the pressure is on, or maybe no patience, dunno, but when things get tight, or go wrong, he just doesn't seem to read the game situation and tries to force things, which ends up, like 1st test against Aus, throwing the team under the bus, almost selfish in a sense, doing what he wants, not what the team needs from the 10 at the time.
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Chill bro, Pollard will locking down with RG on the weekend … lol
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Just saying, its quite something. We see all these comments about the cross field kick tries from Manie and SFM... Their vision to do so and whatnot, how brilliant.... vs boring, no vision 'Pollard' etc... yet... same tournament, Boks have scored a crossfield kick try through him as well.

Fans and their tinted goggles. Saw a comment about Arendse vs Hooker too on another platform, mentioning how Arendse apparently nowhere under the highball compared to Hooker, and that Arendse actually 'weak' in that area whatnot.... Ok... Nothing against Hooker, exceptional talent, and great to have contest for positions, he could well be the better player, but to say that about Arendse... Seriously?
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Just saying, its quite something. We see all these comments about the cross field kick tries from Manie and SFM... Their vision to do so and whatnot, how brilliant.... vs boring, no vision 'Pollard' etc... yet... same tournament, Boks have scored a crossfield kick try through him as well.

Fans and their tinted goggles. Saw a comment about Arendse vs Hooker too on another platform, mentioning how Arendse apparently nowhere under the highball compared to Hooker, and whatnot.... Ok... Nothing against Hooker, exceptional talent, and great to have contest for positions, but to say that about Arendse... Seriously?
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Arendse is fantastic under a high ball, even as short as he is, all our back line are great with the up and unders.

Ethan looks like a 100key ****ing centre, that’s proper pap n vleis home grown natal great air and chicken curry home bred.

Where the **** we going to put Arendse now lol, jeez we have depth now.
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Arendse is fantastic under a high ball, even as short as he is, all our back line are great with the up and unders.

Ethan looks like a 100key ****ing centre, that’s proper pap n vleis home grown natal great air and chicken curry home bred.

Where the **** we going to put Arendse now lol, jeez we have depth now.
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The developing opportunity to rotate players and not lose a step in total team performance is most welcome indeed.

And sure implies a great platform for stability post 2027 incoming mass exodus of stars Boks certainly going to have.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Talking about the flyhalfs.

How come when Manie or SFM etc do anything, like a cross-kick... People go mad... Yet... Pollard does this things, even during this very rugby champs, and there's not a peep?

Not only an example wrt Pollard. This whole season, we regularly see non-favourites do things others do, and not receive any praise, but another player do it, and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Boks fandom... Mindboggling as always with the tribalism/personal favourites and skewed perspectives.

And before anyone goes off, this is not about detracting from Manie or SFM, but rather questioning the constant rhetoric wrt Pollard. Does he bottle up when his team around him not performing, perhaps, but then, I'd rather win ugly when need to, than what we saw in the first test against Aus and continue trying to force a game that isn't on anymore like Manie did and we throw away a 22-0 lead and lose in spectacular fashion.

There is much to appreciate about a 10 that brings a calm head when things don't go well, Eden Park was another example, those early points, could easily have collapsed like 1st test against Aus, rather than slowing it down, building a recovery like what did happen. Why/how we have a weakness in the rain now, dunno, would think with all the games in Durban, Cape and Europe, the players would have some clue, but regardless, a calm head put us in shot, a platform to win after a disastrous start.
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How come when Pollard miss a kick or two, there is not a peep, but when Manie miss one he has not BMT and should go back to Currie cup rugby?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
How come when Pollard miss a kick or two, there is not a peep, but when Manie miss one he has not BMT and should go back to Currie cup rugby?
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In all due respect, he missed more than most kickers. But he is on the up, he will be around for a while.

I think the subject of your remark stems back to the Ireland game in the 2023 WC, he did miss some sitters to be real honest, that’s why everyone had a go at his BMT.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
How come when Pollard miss a kick or two, there is not a peep, but when Manie miss one he has not BMT and should go back to Currie cup rugby?
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Around about 50-60% success rate on penalty kicks is not merely missing 1 or 2 kicks,

And its certainly his penalty kicking specifically, where the pressure is on, hence the concerns of BMT which have regularly proven valid, at URC lvl too. His kicking of conversions, where less pressure to convert the points, his success rate at the tee skyrockets by comparison.
 
DarkStarMonday said:
Oh and the AUS game, wtf happened there god only knows.
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Game management. Same happened at the Stormers. When the team need less flare, more control, he just seems to struggle to adapt to situations/teams needs, again, seen it happen a few times at the Stormers now too.

These things have not been single blips. Munster and others been showing URC where and how to pick him apart to quite a bit of success after his barnstorming debut season where led Stormers to URC title.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
Around about 50-60% success rate on penalty kicks is not merely missing 1 or 2 kicks,

And its certainly his penalty kicking specifically, where the pressure is on, hence the concerns of BMT which have regularly proven valid, at URC lvl too. His kicking of conversions, where less pressure to convert the points, his success rate at the tee skyrockets by comparison.
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Its easy. You claim people don't love your favourite(Pollard). Same can be said for you not loving other peoples favourites. Pollard did not have this amazing kicking stats when he started. You mature in a Bok jersey and settle down. Manie only played 20 test and he kicking seems to be improving, but you don't seem to give him a chance?
What about Sasha's kicking the weekend? yes most went over but half hit the poles and was all over the place. Nobody complaining?
At the end if the day players are not the same. Manie will never kick like Pollard and Pollard will never get a backline going like Manie.
So a team must decide what game plan the want to play and choose the players for it. There will always be compromises. Maybe with a guy like Manie we will not sit in situations often that we need a last minute penalty to win by 1.
OH and Manie also had the highest % of kicks retention by his own team from all tier 1 nations in 2024.
 
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