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I would not say maybe for England, England recent tour to Aus was a series win, England last test match vs SA was a win.
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Bigfoot ZA
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What free ride did we have at the 2019 world cup?
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Sorry really not picking on your posts, but we were dead equal in the amature era with NZ. Only beating them with points difference of 17 overall in 75 years of play. That was since we started until their last official tour in 1996. If you disregard 1996 then yes we were better, but you can't since it was still a test series that we played.
I made a whole post about it on R365.
sand_man
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Professional era in rugby union started in 1995 so I guess that would exclude the tour of 1996.
sand_man
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Maybe free ride isn't the best choice of words. High road v low road if you like. Favorable draw?
World cups are a lot about luck and the draw. 2019 we got a lot of that. We couldn't have hoped for an easier road to the final.
sand_man
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Not to mention a win against nz in the world cup semi final.
...he hasn't really hit the heights he promised to has he?
We nearly lost against Wales. How was that easy?
sand_man
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It wasn't and that's the point. But we've never lost to Wales in a RWC. We have a poor record against NZ and Australia in quarters and semi finals so avoiding them was the good fortune the draw afforded us.
sand_man
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1995 beat NZ in the final and won the world cup, 1999 knocked out in the semi finals against Australia, 2003 knocked out in the quarters by NZ, 2007 faced neither in the knockouts and won the world cup, 2011 knocked out by Australia in the quarters, 2015 knocked out by NZ in the semis, 2019 faced neither in the knock outs and won the world cup.
2023 will face either NZ or France in the quarters...
2023 will face either NZ or France in the quarters...
...technically that Bryce Lawrence helped beat the Springboks.
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Take away from the game on Saturday
Ellis Park
1. Logistically is a bit of a nightmare but park and ride and uber works well
2. Beer tents was a total disaster not enough staff and supply ran out (shocking compared to how Loftus was organized)
3. Stadium had no water, not nearly enough bathrooms, no clue how they screwed this up
4. Atmosphere was amazing, will visit Ellis park every couple of years
Game:
1. 6 - 2 Split has worked but is way to risky for a world cup, If we want to continue this way we need a Pierre Spies or one of the loosies who can cover on wing
2. Dwayne is way to old or just to unfit (Think Roos needs an opportunity)
3. Willie isn't particularly fast, not amazing under the high ball, can't tackle. doesn't kick far and has amazing or shocking hands really not sure what the hell he is still doing there (Just bring in Fassi)
4. Am and Willemse keep surprising me, both would walk into a world 23
5. Our A teams is way better that the B team, the first 30 minutes the team was no-where
6. Need to improve game management, lots of 3 pointer turned down and after doing all the hard work we threw it away in the last 10 minutes
Rugby championship still wide open so onwards and upwards
Ellis Park
1. Logistically is a bit of a nightmare but park and ride and uber works well
2. Beer tents was a total disaster not enough staff and supply ran out (shocking compared to how Loftus was organized)
3. Stadium had no water, not nearly enough bathrooms, no clue how they screwed this up
4. Atmosphere was amazing, will visit Ellis park every couple of years
Game:
1. 6 - 2 Split has worked but is way to risky for a world cup, If we want to continue this way we need a Pierre Spies or one of the loosies who can cover on wing
2. Dwayne is way to old or just to unfit (Think Roos needs an opportunity)
3. Willie isn't particularly fast, not amazing under the high ball, can't tackle. doesn't kick far and has amazing or shocking hands really not sure what the hell he is still doing there (Just bring in Fassi)
4. Am and Willemse keep surprising me, both would walk into a world 23
5. Our A teams is way better that the B team, the first 30 minutes the team was no-where
6. Need to improve game management, lots of 3 pointer turned down and after doing all the hard work we threw it away in the last 10 minutes
Rugby championship still wide open so onwards and upwards
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Cool cool, I understand your point on it. From two paths our's was definitely the more difficult one due to playing the group toppers Japan that really disposed of Ireland and Scotland as well as the six nations champions that year, but for us I agree it was an easier road to get with the way we play but man hopefully with Gatland era now gone they don't have our number anymore, and I'm not really counting the one week prep in the first test and playing a bunch of new guys in the second test in it.
APoc184
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Really?
I thought he created so many opportunities for the other guys.
His passing was superb!
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Bloody hell Larkham can't even drop his own mother but that drop goal of his really hurt, lol. Think everything just come together for him in that drop with rain and strong winds that was blowing in that game. That Jannie kick the last one over to draw the game in extra time was something to behold in the heat of the moment.
Glad Pollard is finding his kicking form because I really miss the days when we had 90%+ kickers at goal. Now only is he can some more distance on his line kicks.
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Don't fully agree on point this. I get the risk with the 6/2 split but the main problems from what I could see was the the Duane and Dweba did not really perform as they should have and put way to much pressure on the team hence some players on the bench came on way to early basilcy nullifieing the bomb squad effect.
Don't know if all the moves from Jacques was deliberate to test a couple of things but they could have easaly moved Willemse to wing and Wille at fullback, but they pretty much moved the whole backline over one spot instead of just makeing one change, which wreck havoc on our defensive lines and structure in the first half with most playing out of position in the back. That's just how I saw it.
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Will have to rewatch the highlights as you see it better on tv but only remember one good pass (this is also his only strength), defensively they also ran around him creating space on the outside and his kicking was terrible putting us under unneeded pressure.
Putting Dweba (lack of international experience) and Duane on at the same stage was a mistake.
Vermeulen is short on match fitness. Dweba, the theory covered in the press, was down to playing with Ntshe for so long. Both ended up backfiring badly, and even Ntshe was taken off early.
Stick to the bloody A Team. It worked last week, and should have worked this week.
Roos definitely needs a chance!
Werner1975
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I hate losing to any team but I must admit that we were below par on Saturday while the All Blacks lifted their game and corrected the flaws in their game from last week. They were much better and deserved the win.
IMO, these were aspects that lost us the game -
- Dweba had a shocker and Vermeulen was not match ready,
- Defence was poor,
- We had no answer to their pace and expansive running,
- Over reliance on box kicks,
- 6-2 split came back to bite us,
- Going for a 5m lineout when you should take the 3 points on offer,
- Losing a few of our own lineouts,
- Opposing teams have figured out how to neutralize our mauls,
- No plan B when plan A doesn't work out.
- Silly mistakes/ basic errors when we have teams on their goal line - relieving pressure on them. We did that a lot against Wales and the Kiwi's.
IMO, these were aspects that lost us the game -
- Dweba had a shocker and Vermeulen was not match ready,
- Defence was poor,
- We had no answer to their pace and expansive running,
- Over reliance on box kicks,
- 6-2 split came back to bite us,
- Going for a 5m lineout when you should take the 3 points on offer,
- Losing a few of our own lineouts,
- Opposing teams have figured out how to neutralize our mauls,
- No plan B when plan A doesn't work out.
- Silly mistakes/ basic errors when we have teams on their goal line - relieving pressure on them. We did that a lot against Wales and the Kiwi's.
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