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Excellent performance by the Bokke this weekend, showing how it's done against a Puma side on the rise. Great game from all the manne.
Mixed bag in the URC with the 2 home teams, Lions & Bulls winning but the Stormers and Sharks going down. It's not going to be easy to get away wins this season.
 
The diversity in our game-play is fa-nominal and apart from the obvious scorers Hendricks and Libbok had amazing games. We have proven no matter how the world adjusts the rules to affect our game we can adapt and win accordingly.

Very impressed - well done Bokke
 
One of the few problems I see is that if we go with Manie (and his replacement kicker, whoever that might be) and we come up against stronger opposition then all those missed kicks will hurt us badly.

We won by such a big margin it didn't matter, but against the AB a few missed kicks could cost us the game.
 
OutlawJoseyWales said:
One of the few problems I see is that if we go with Manie (and his replacement kicker, whoever that might be) and we come up against stronger opposition then all those missed kicks will hurt us badly.

We won by such a big margin it didn't matter, but against the AB a few missed kicks could cost us the game.
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Agree but honestly, if he is a long-term prospect the dude should be able to put in the work to improve his kicking. Percy went from a very average kicker at first to over 80% by the end of his career.
 
Cray said:
Agree but honestly, if he is a long-term prospect the dude should be able to put in the work to improve his kicking. Percy went from a very average kicker at first to over 80% by the end of his career.
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Yeah it might be a BMT thing, because people were commenting that before the 1st Argentina game started Manie was kicking them over. And then when the game started the nerves kicked in.

And if it is, then I don't know how much can be done. Some players are born with BMT and not sure how a nervous player can fix that issue.
 
OutlawJoseyWales said:
Yeah it might be a BMT thing, because people were commenting that before the 1st Argentina game started Manie was kicking them over. And then when the game started the nerves kicked in.

And if it is, then I don't know how much can be done. Some players are born with it and nor sure how that can be fixed.
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True, was listening to a podcast with Handre Pollard on and he talked about the kick to win the England game. He talked about his mindset and that he knew in the last 15 minutes that it was most likely going to come down to one kick to win it but his attitude was to embrace it, "That is the moment we live for". So yeah, I wonder if a mind/attitude coach might be helpful it it's not a purely physical thing.

But also, muscle memory and practise can go a long way.
 
Cray said:
True, was listening to a podcast with Handre Pollard on and he talked about the kick to win the England game. He talked about his mindset and that he knew in the last 15 minutes that it was most likely going to come down to one kick to win it but his attitude was to embrace it, "That is the moment we live for". So yeah, I wonder if a mind/attitude coach might be helpful it it's not a purely physical thing.

But also, muscle memory and practise can go a long way.
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People underestimate the amount of pressure professional sports players have to handle. Sports psychology plays a huge part in helping professional athletes to improve their game - you can train your body all you want but if your mentality is wrong, you won't make it - just look at the SEAL TEAM training (BUDS) as a prime example. Manie definitely has the talent and skill but he has to work on his nerves...I believe Pollard should definitely help him out with that.
 
So it seems that SFM's knee injury is worse than initially thought. What was thought to be about 8 weeks on the sideline could now be 10, meaning he will most certainly miss the EOYT. I also doubt Dobbo will rush him back into the Stormers setup, so he is likely done for the year.
 
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Agent_Smith said:
So it seems that SFM's knee injury is worse than initially thought. What was thought to be about 8 weeks on the sideline could now be 10, meaning he will most certainly miss the EOYT. I also doubt Dobbo will rush him back into the Stormers setup, so he is likely done for the year.
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Hiding that injury is well truly coming back to bite him.


OutlawJoseyWales said:
Yeah it might be a BMT thing, because people were commenting that before the 1st Argentina game started Manie was kicking them over. And then when the game started the nerves kicked in.

And if it is, then I don't know how much can be done. Some players are born with BMT and not sure how a nervous player can fix that issue.
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This is the concern with Mannie, similiar to Elton Jantjies. Amazing talent, but tends to blow hot/cold depending on the pressure on the field of the play at the time, as to what we get to see. While sport psychologists can help, they tend to be for helping players out of dips in form, or improving focus etc. Never heard anybody ever 'curing' a lack of BMT unfortunately.
 
Cray said:
Agree but honestly, if he is a long-term prospect the dude should be able to put in the work to improve his kicking. Percy went from a very average kicker at first to over 80% by the end of his career.
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Yes indeed..but this happens during those extra 2 hours after general practice...not during test matches.
 
TheMightyQuin said:
Yes indeed..but this happens during those extra 2 hours after general practice...not during test matches.
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Absolutely, he 100% shouldn't be kicking in tests until he sorts that out, unfortunately for him, Flyhalfs are supposed to be able to kick as well (unless a team is lucky enough to have a kicking fullback). It's one of those things that will always affect the career of a flyhalf. Butch James was just lucky we had Percy in that 2007 World Cup Winning team.
 
Cray said:
Absolutely, he 100% shouldn't be kicking in tests until he sorts that out, unfortunately for him, Flyhalfs are supposed to be able to kick as well (unless a team is lucky enough to have a kicking fullback). It's one of those things that will always affect the career of a flyhalf. Butch James was just lucky we had Percy in that 2007 World Cup Winning team.
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I'm just not sure why Manie is being "forced" like this? It feels like there is this absolute drive to make him our flyhalf? Why?
He's not good, even if IMHO only.

And this whole "no-look" gimmick that now seems to permeate every aspect of his game. Using it while passing, catching and especially kicking, seems rather counter productive.

Is he really our only option?
 
TheMightyQuin said:
I'm just not sure why Manie is being "forced" like this? It feels like there is this absolute drive to make him our flyhalf? Why?
He's not good, even if IMHO only.

And this whole "no-look" gimmick that now seems to permeate every aspect of his game. Using it while passing, catching and especially kicking, seems rather counter productive.

Is he really our only option?
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I thought he played really well on Saturday and I think he has something to offer but am not sure he is Pollard's successor, I think Sacha is the guy who will be there long term.

I do think his tactical kicking is really good, the no-look thing certainly looks cool but not sure how much actual effect it has on defences.
 
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