The SA Politics Thread Part 3

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ShaunSA said:
If our democracy is that fragile it deserves to crash and burn
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It's less about "our democracy is super fragile" and more about "See what total chaos a small party winning only 0.2% of the vote can bring?".

We need electoral thresholds fr...
 
PrimeSteak said:
It's less about "our democracy is super fragile" and more about "See what total chaos a small party winning only 0.2% of the vote can bring?".

We need electoral thresholds fr...
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Instead of blaming the small party maybe we should be blaming the big party who let the small party run riot

Any which way though the fault remains with the voters. Until such time as people learn the value of their x we may as well elect a queen to rule
 
ToxicBunny said:
AKA "How the fsck do we not arrest him, but still pretend to be neutral, or at least claim to be neutral while nobody actually believes us"
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A "neutral wouldn't arrest him though, would they? If SA were really neutral they would tell him not to come here for this BRICS shindig and he himself should know better than to place SA in a position where they must defy the ICC. Suppose that stupid naval exercise sort of put paid to that neutral pretension anyway.
 
R13... said:
A "neutral wouldn't arrest him though, would they? If SA were really neutral they would tell him not to come here for this BRICS shindig and he himself should know better than to place SA in a position where they must defy the ICC. Suppose that stupid naval exercise sort of put paid to that neutral pretension anyway.
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A neutral party would follow the law as it is enshrined in their own statues, and we have adopted the Rome Statute so would have to arrest him and hand him over to the ICC if he arrived. Though yes a properly neutral party would also inform the other side not to come due to the laws that have to be followed.

And yeah, the naval exercise crap put paid to the neutral shyte....
 
wingnut771 said:
What do you do after you've installed Zoom?
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Well if you're a delegate or something you have a link. Maybe we have some okes here who are delegates...? IDK

I just mentioned this cause I hope they'll post the debate on YT (I.e. available to everyone). And also because seeing an actual debate between leader candidates in a political party for once in SA, seems cool.
 
Not sure I really agree with Hersov here.

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Hersov: Swellendam by-election loss a warning for bickering Rainbow Alliance​


The split vote between the DA and PA in the Swellendam by-election last week allowed the ruinous ANC to take the municipality and sent shivers down my spine. It should have been a clear win for a DA/PA partnership.


As it should be across South Africa now, with the ANC permanently ejected from the Western Province, as well as other key cities and municipalities.

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The DA and PA are natural allies, and that obvious partnership should make it so much easier to pull this Rainbow Coalition together along with Action SA, Inkatha, VF+ and ACDP. While I am a DA supporter, and a great admirer of the DA team and very much Helen Zille, I am a strong believer in Gayton Mackenzie, and like his (much smaller, less prominent) team of Kenny Kunene, Charles Cilliers, Eugene Botha, and Marlon Daniels.


They are brothers-in-arms and very much my type of rugged individuals who want the best for ALL South Africans. They are Judeo-Christians, free market capitalists (and fiercely anti-communist like me and against central control), democrats, pro-West, and firm believers in unlocking human ingenuity. They are honest, transparent, principled and Gayton certainly tell it like it is.


Sounds a lot like the DA to me……………….


The PA as a brand and culture is rather antithetical to the DA, since Gayton is a charismatic leader with the tendency sometimes to come across as a political strongman. Liberals are suspicious of that, and it doesn’t help that Gayton was imprisoned by the age of 20 for being an armed robber. Try as they might, my DA seem incapable of trusting Gayton today, despite the overwhelming evidence that he has transformed his life into a force for good – this distrust constantly leads to offence being caused and taken.

www.biznews.com

Hersov: Swellendam by-election loss a warning for bickering Rainbow Alliance

By Rob Hersov The split vote between the DA and PA in the Swellendam by-election last week allowed the ruinous ANC to take the municipality and sent shivers dow
www.biznews.com www.biznews.com
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Not sure I really agree with Hersov here.

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Hersov: Swellendam by-election loss a warning for bickering Rainbow Alliance​


The split vote between the DA and PA in the Swellendam by-election last week allowed the ruinous ANC to take the municipality and sent shivers down my spine. It should have been a clear win for a DA/PA partnership.


As it should be across South Africa now, with the ANC permanently ejected from the Western Province, as well as other key cities and municipalities.

[...]

The DA and PA are natural allies, and that obvious partnership should make it so much easier to pull this Rainbow Coalition together along with Action SA, Inkatha, VF+ and ACDP. While I am a DA supporter, and a great admirer of the DA team and very much Helen Zille, I am a strong believer in Gayton Mackenzie, and like his (much smaller, less prominent) team of Kenny Kunene, Charles Cilliers, Eugene Botha, and Marlon Daniels.


They are brothers-in-arms and very much my type of rugged individuals who want the best for ALL South Africans. They are Judeo-Christians, free market capitalists (and fiercely anti-communist like me and against central control), democrats, pro-West, and firm believers in unlocking human ingenuity. They are honest, transparent, principled and Gayton certainly tell it like it is.


Sounds a lot like the DA to me……………….


The PA as a brand and culture is rather antithetical to the DA, since Gayton is a charismatic leader with the tendency sometimes to come across as a political strongman. Liberals are suspicious of that, and it doesn’t help that Gayton was imprisoned by the age of 20 for being an armed robber. Try as they might, my DA seem incapable of trusting Gayton today, despite the overwhelming evidence that he has transformed his life into a force for good – this distrust constantly leads to offence being caused and taken.

www.biznews.com

Hersov: Swellendam by-election loss a warning for bickering Rainbow Alliance

By Rob Hersov The split vote between the DA and PA in the Swellendam by-election last week allowed the ruinous ANC to take the municipality and sent shivers dow
www.biznews.com www.biznews.com
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I agree with you.

since Gayton is a charismatic leader with the tendency sometimes to come across as a political strongman. Liberals are suspicious of that, and it doesn’t help that Gayton was imprisoned by the age of 20 for being an armed robber
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Ah yes, because it's that bad to distrust a former armed gangster turned populist politician...

After everything that's happened with the PA throwing the DA to the wolves countless times nationwide... Is it truly that unreasonable to not trust them?
 
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