The SA Politics Thread Part 3

[JuliusSeizure]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1642948640569278466

These Twitter surveys are very poor representations of reality and usually just represent the views of the people following the OP. The Kiffness' followers are by and large mostly very pro DA and so all of his polls will return results favouring the DA (most users follow accounts in line with their own cognitve bias).

If Malema or a pro-EFF source had to carry out the same poll, it would yield very different results (again due to the bias of those following them).

 

[JuliusSeizure]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643186142144081921

For the okes who want VF+ merch, I guess...

@rietrot since you think the VF+ are "the best party", will you be buying?

 

[TheChamp]

Should the DA not have had some behind the scenes negotiations before announcing the 'Moonshot pact'? Because day 2 after the announcement- there already seems to be some unhappiness from the other parties who supposed to form part of this pact.

The other parties will be fine with whatever the DA comes up with, it's ActionSA which is a problem in that coalition, they just don't want to accept the DA as the Boss. They will come around though, they will grumble, kick the tables and scream, but they will still be part of the moonshot pact.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

The other parties will be fine with whatever the DA comes up with, it's ActionSA which is a problem in that coalition, they just don't want to accept the DA as the Boss. They will come around though, they will be grumble kick the tables and scream, but they will still be part of the moonshot pact.

It won't be as rosy as it seems and could end up being worse than the ANC in the worst case scenario.

The parties don't care about people. It's a business (hence the VF+ also started marketing their stuff online) and about jobs. When the new coalition comes into power and it comes to dishing out jobs, things will get messy because those partners will want their guys to also be in top positions.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Forget John Steenhuisen’s dancing skills, focus on what the DA doesn't say

That the DA leader has set up defeating the ANC and EFF as a prime target, and not poverty, unemployment, unequal access to healthcare, education, sanitation, lack of community safety, crime etc says …

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[TheChamp]

It won't be as rosy as it seems and could end up being worse than the ANC in the worst case scenario.

The parties don't care about people. It's a business (hence the VF+ also started marketing their stuff online) and about jobs. When the new coalition comes into power and it comes to dishing out jobs, things will get messy because those partners will want their guys to also be in top positions.

But generally the IFP and Freedom Front are good boys and understand who's Boss, it's Mashaba who goes around sowing disharmony in that coalition, because he just cannot accept that he has dug himself a hole which he is now trapped in and has absolutely no bargaining power.

It pains him to see the DA running riot and doing as they like, he wants to tell them to F off but he can't, what's happening to that man is very tragic.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

But generally the IFP and Freedom Front are good boys and understand who's Boss, it's Mashaba who goes around sowing disharmony in that coalition, because he just cannot accept that he has dug himself a hole which he is now trapped in and has absolutely no bargaining power.

Things will be very different when the coalition actually happens. I don't think the IFP are as loyal to the DA as meets the eye. The two have been at odds before.

The VF+, yes and it will be political suicide for them to go into alliance with anyone other than DA as it will be seen as a betrayal to their electorate.

 

[rietrot]

@rietrot since you think the VF+ are "the best party", will you be buying?

Already ordered two shirts and the vellies. Really awesome.

Do you think I'm an ANC supporter or something? There's no way I'm going out in public with politically branded clothing.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Already ordered two shirts and the vellies. Really awesome.

Do you think I'm an ANC supporter or something? There's no way I'm going out in public with politically branded clothing.

I hope you enjoy your order.

Where are you going to wear it though since you are not "going out in public with politically branded clothing"?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Forget John Steenhuisen’s dancing skills, focus on what the DA doesn't say

That the DA leader has set up defeating the ANC and EFF as a prime target, and not poverty, unemployment, unequal access to healthcare, education, sanitation, lack of community safety, crime etc says …

www.dailymaverick.co.za

Ismail comes across as a bit of an idiot with this opinion piece of his.

 

[Vrotappel]

These Twitter surveys are very poor representations of reality and usually just represent the views of the people following the OP. The Kiffness' followers are by and large mostly very pro DA and so all of his polls will return results favouring the DA (most users follow accounts in line with their own cognitve bias).

If Malema or a pro-EFF source had to carry out the same poll, it would yield very different results (again due to the bias of those following them).

 

[TheChamp]

Things will be very different when the coalition actually happens. I don't think the IFP are as loyal to the DA as meets the eye. The two have been at odds before.

The VF+, yes and it will be political suicide for them to go into alliance with anyone other than DA as it will be seen as a betrayal to their electorate.

The IFP and Freedom Front are good, the both have a loyal voter base which is very different to ActionSA's, they can afford this. Mashaba's problem is that he still has a party to build, ideally he should be a neutral opposition party that is able to criticise all the parties which are in government, that's how opposition parties grow, stand there and point at the mess and present yourself as a better alternative.

Mashaba cannot do that, he can no longer present himself as an alternative, he cannot tell the people of Tshwane that if they vote for him he will make things better, because he is now part of those who made a mess, he cannot criticise the DA coalition because he is part of the coalition, he can shout at the ANC but the voters will point him back at Tshwane and ask him but what are you doing better where you govern?

Mashaba and his party are slowly drifting into irrelevance and parties like the PA are rising, his funders gives him money but all that is in exchange for him remaining a subservient party to the DA, he is going to accept the DA failings as his own and that's what voters will judge him on.

 

[G'Wobblez]

These Twitter surveys are very poor representations of reality and usually just represent the views of the people following the OP. The Kiffness' followers are by and large mostly very pro DA and so all of his polls will return results favouring the DA (most users follow accounts in line with their own cognitve bias).

If Malema or a pro-EFF source had to carry out the same poll, it would yield very different results (again due to the bias of those following them).

So by your observation the DA is not a racist white party as per the usual opinion.
Since the largely pro DA following doesn’t care who represents them just as long as service delivery is handled.

That is a good thing then. Isn’t it?

 

[rietrot]

So by your observation the DA is not a racist white party as per the usual opinion.
Since the largely pro DA following doesn’t care who represents them just as long as service delivery is handled.

That is a good thing then. Isn’t it?

No, because racist EFF supporters said they don't like the DA

 

[R13...]

 

[rietrot]

Lol zapiro is the worst shítlib, but this is awesome I'll give him that.

 

[Agent67]

Forget John Steenhuisen’s dancing skills, focus on what the DA doesn't say

That the DA leader has set up defeating the ANC and EFF as a prime target, and not poverty, unemployment, unequal access to healthcare, education, sanitation, lack of community safety, crime etc says …

www.dailymaverick.co.za

That the DA leader has set up defeating the ANC and EFF as a prime target, and not poverty, unemployment, unequal access to healthcare, education, sanitation, lack of community safety, crime etc says a lot more about the liberal party than John Steenhuisen’s lack of dance moves.​

All of that was in his speech, but then again, why am I not surprised about the crying...

At least, he didn't accuse him of perpetuating a "neo swart gevaar"...

If we set aside, for a moment, the veiled implications of a neo “swart gevaar” invoked by his language and tone, it is not only his framing of the problem that is worth discussion, but also his framing of his, and now the DA’s, solution that warrants reflection.

TESSA DOOMS | Policy-oriented coalitions better than just bid to remove ANC from office

Political scientists Michael Laver and Norman Schofield favour policy-oriented coalitions, arguing that when policy drives coalition building those whose policies are most effective end up directing the course of governance and lead to more effective access to office and power in the longer term.

www.sowetanlive.co.za

 

[Agent67]

Things will be very different when the coalition actually happens. I don't think the IFP are as loyal to the DA as meets the eye. The two have been at odds before.

Then how come are they standing back for each other in respective by-elections in KZN? Surely, if they don't have an understanding or agreement, they wouldn't be working together?

 

[sefeddt]

Not surprising the media continue with this angle, while ignoring the ANC top leadership is lacking and the NEC only has 1 white out of 80.

 

[Agent67]

I don't get the logic tho... So now JS winning by 83% is somehow "oppressing black leaders" via Gogo?

The funny thing is if Phalatse was elected, the same people crying about JS, would find other things to cry about over the DA and/or they would mock Phalatse as another "experiment".