The SA Vehicle Industry Thread

No deathtraps please. We already have too many road fatalities in SA.

Then do not complain about new car prices.

The way to stop road fatalities is by enforcing the laws. We have sufficient laws to make a 1960 beetle a safe car(except for driving at highway speeds) but they are not enforced. So instead of trying to solve the issue with importing non "death traps" at premium first world prices into a 3rd world country rather fix it at the source. Road safety and law enforcement.

The point is that our currency is not at levels where South africa can afford european/US/Japanese brands. This is a fact. We are at a place where an entry level hatch back(VW polo vivo) is R170k. Citi golf's went for half that price and got families from A to B for ages.
 
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Car prices 2016 vs 2015: How Much More Are You Paying?

How much more are you paying for your car in 2016 vs the same time last year?

Car prices are determined by many factors such as inflation, exchange rates and manufacturing costs. It’s unlikely that we’ll ever see car prices decrease, but it’s interesting to see which manufacturers have increased their prices more than others.

It seems that after a year of weakenings in the exchange rates the rand has rallied back to the same level it was 1 year ago (R13.80 to the US dollar and similarly 15.50 to the Euro). Most of our imports are paid for in these two currencies – even Japanese and Chinese imports are often traded in US Dollars so it’s a reasonable comparison to make for most manufacturers.

Manufacturers that produce vehicles locally (Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and GM) have a little shelter from the exchange rate as they benefit from the Automotive Production and Development Programme (APDP) incentive scheme, so you would expect their prices to not have inflated as much.

However, there are many intricacies and dealings that go on behind the scenes that have an effect on vehicle pricing for each manufacturer, so these figures don’t tell the whole story. It is, however, still interesting to see how much more cars are today than they were a year ago. We have chosen cars that sell reasonably well on the local market and have been on sale for a year and haven't been through a facelift in that period

http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news...-much-more-are-you-paying/42755/#.V_OWHCF95hE
 
Car prices 2016 vs 2015: How Much More Are You Paying?

How much more are you paying for your car in 2016 vs the same time last year?

Car prices are determined by many factors such as inflation, exchange rates and manufacturing costs. It’s unlikely that we’ll ever see car prices decrease, but it’s interesting to see which manufacturers have increased their prices more than others.

It seems that after a year of weakenings in the exchange rates the rand has rallied back to the same level it was 1 year ago (R13.80 to the US dollar and similarly 15.50 to the Euro). Most of our imports are paid for in these two currencies – even Japanese and Chinese imports are often traded in US Dollars so it’s a reasonable comparison to make for most manufacturers.

Manufacturers that produce vehicles locally (Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and GM) have a little shelter from the exchange rate as they benefit from the Automotive Production and Development Programme (APDP) incentive scheme, so you would expect their prices to not have inflated as much.

However, there are many intricacies and dealings that go on behind the scenes that have an effect on vehicle pricing for each manufacturer, so these figures don’t tell the whole story. It is, however, still interesting to see how much more cars are today than they were a year ago. We have chosen cars that sell reasonably well on the local market and have been on sale for a year and haven't been through a facelift in that period

http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news...-much-more-are-you-paying/42755/#.V_OWHCF95hE

Those cars are built here(put together) but the parts are still imported.

I am dead sure we can build a very basic car from the ground up with minimal imports then we could have a car that even poor people could afford.

Our safety restrictions are too stringent. Your average poor person wants to get from A to B for work. He does not give a ratsass about ABS/EBD and 7 airbags.

We are importing cars for the rich and the middle class and the middle class is busy shrinking
 
180k for a picanto? are they jas? im sorry if you in the *** for buying a new car then tough tits. its just madness.
 
Things are going from bad to worse in South Africa's new vehicle industry, with overall sales in September plunging 14.3 percent compared to the same month last year, to 47 399 units.

There were double-digit declines across almost all segments. Passenger car sales fell by 14.4 percent despite the rental car industry taking a sizeable 19.9 percent chunk, according to Naamsa. Light commercial vehicles registered a 14.8 percent year-on-year decline while medium and heavy trucks were down 9.0 and 10.8 percent respectively.

Despite competition from its Up sibling, Volkswagen's Polo Vivo remains SA's top selling passenger car. 2822 were sold in September.

Naamsa expects the negative sales trend to continue over the medium term, given the current economic climate. The association did however see a ray of light in September's Purchasing Manager's Index, which rose 3.2 points to 49.5, a touch below the benchmark of 50.

Car prices largely to blame

WesBank attributes the fall in sales to soaring car prices (along with consumer debt levels), something IOL highlighted in a recent feature on the subject, which you can read HERE. According to the bank, the average new car that it financed in September cost R293 343, 18 percent more than in the same year. Furthermore, WesBank recorded an 18 percent drop in demand for new vehicles, something that is driving consumers to the used market.

Exports also took a year-on-year knock in September, falling by 6.5 percent (albeit off the high base of a record month), although it is believed that export sales will still move in a positive direction for the remainder of the year.

THE NUMBERS: SEPTEMBER 2016

Sales Channels

Dealerships: 80.9 percent

Rental industry: 14.3 percent

Corporate clients: 3.4 percent

Government sales: 1.4 percent

Top companies

1. Toyota - 10 837

2. Volkswagen - 8000

3. Ford - 5707

4. AMH/AAD - 4749

5. GM/Isuzu - 3443

6. Nissan - 2909

7. Mercedes-Benz - 2566

8. BMW - 1901

9. Renault - 1775

10. Mazda - 1076

Top 100 Reported Sales*

1. Toyota Hilux - 3063

2. Volkswagen Polo Vivo - 2822

3. Ford Ranger - 2437

4. Volkswagen Polo - 2426

5. Toyota Corolla/Quest/Auris - 2061

6. Toyota Quantum - 1329

7. Ford Fiesta - 1190

8. Toyota Fortuner - 1180

9. Chevrolet Utility - 1126

10. Nissan NP200 - 1020

11. Isuzu KB - 988

12. Ford EcoSport - 987

13. Toyota Etios - 947

14. Nissan NP300 Hardbody - 659

15. Renault Sandero - 625

16. Toyota Avanza - 572

17. BMW 3 Series - 487

18. Chevrolet Spark - 424

19. Volkswagen Up - 418

20. Renault Captur - 403

21. Renault Clio - 382

22. Volkswagen Golf - 367

23. Ford Focus - 356

24. Toyota Rav4 - 345

25. Mazda CX-5 - 342

26. Datsun Go - 318

27. Toyota Land Cruiser PU - 280

28. BMW 1 Series - 275

29. Mazda3 - 271

30. Volkswagen Jetta - 266

31. Nissan X-Trail - 238

32. Mazda CX-3 - 228

33. Audi A3 - 225

34. Volkswagen Amarok - 223

35. Audi A4 - 221

36. Renault Duster - 218

37. Ford Figo - 217

38. BMW X1 - 216

39. Toyota Aygo - 195

40. Nissan NV350 Taxi - 194

41. Toyota Yaris - 180

42. BMW 2 Series - 176

42. Mazda2 - 176

44. Suzuki Swift - 173

45. Nissan Qashqai - 169

46. Honda Jazz - 162

47. Volkswagen Caddy -156

48. BMW 4 Series - 155

49. Ford Kuga - 154

50. Mahindra KUV100 - 130

51. Audi Q3 - 128

52. Datsun Go+ - 126

53. Volkswagen Tiguan - 112

54. Toyota Land Cruiser 200 - 111

55. BMW X5 - 110

56. BMW X3 - 106

57. Ford Transit - 105

58. Ford Everest - 103

59. Opel Mokka - 100

59. Toyota Prado - 100

61. Honda CR-V - 98

62. Honda HR-V - 97

63. Honda Brio - 90

64. Opel Astra - 89

64. Range Rover Sport - 89

66. Renault Megane (new) - 87

66. Suzuki Jimny - 87

66. Tata Bolt - 87

69. Mahindra Scorpio Pik-Up - 85

70. Jeep Renegade - 84

71. Chevrolet Cruze - 82

72. Tata Super Ace - 80

73. Land Rover Disco Sport - 79

73. Mahindra Bolero - 79

75. BMW X4 - 78

76. Honda Ballade - 77

77. Range Rover Evoque - 75

78. Mitsubishi ASX - 73

79. Audi A1 - 71

80. Volvo V40 - 65

81. Ford Mustang - 63

82. Mini Hatch 3dr - 62

82. Volkswagen Kombi - 62

82. Volvo XC60 - 62

85. Opel Corsa - 60

86. Land Rover Discovery - 59

87. Fiat 500 - 58

87. Mini Hatch 5dr - 58

89. Chevrolet Captiva - 54

89. Peugeot - 208 - 54

91. Jeep Grand Cherokee - 52

91. Mazda BT-50 - 52

93. Volkswagen Polo Vivo PV - 50

94. Renault Kadjar - 49

95. Jaguar F-Pace - 46

95. Jeep Wrangler - 46

97. Porsche Cayenne - 45

97. Suzuki Celerio - 45

99. Audi Q5 - 44

99. Subaru Forester - 44

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/sas-100-top-selling-vehicles-september-2075913
 
Good.

Hope they stop being able to sell any bloody new cars
 
When your prices go up, you blame the Rand.

When your sales suffer, you blame the Rand.

When the Rand gets stronger, your prices stay the same.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner, and it's not the Rand.
 
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Meanwhile in 'Murica...

US car prices poised to fall as demand dries up

Detroit - September passenger car sales in South Africa saw a substantial decline when compared with 2015 figures of the same month; 31 957 passenger cars were sold last month, 5368 less than the same period last year.

And its seems Mzansi isn't the only country to post faltering car-sales figures, while the US inched its way out of its 'Great Recession', consumers went car shopping in droves. As sales rebounded, the price of cars and bakkies rose to record highs.

Now, the price trend is set to reverse itself, partly because some buyers are unwilling or unable to pay the high prices and instead are opting for used cars.

Consumer sales declining

Although overall industry sales are tracking 2015's record 17.5-million cars, many automakers are selling more cars to rental companies to maintain the momentum. Sales to consumers are declining, so companies are ramping up incentives. Discounts in September hit a level not seen since automakers were desperate for sales during the financial crisis in late 2008.

John Mendel, vice president of Honda North America, said: "Inherently, you're seeing a price war, you're already seeing the pricing pressure."

Tsunami of used cars

Analysts say the deals will only get better during the next two years as millions of leased cars flood the used-car market and pull new-car prices down.

Auto prices have risen every year since the Great Recession, hitting a record average of $31 825 in December of 2015, according to J.D. Power. The average price in September was $30 862, an all-time high for the month.

Prices have remained elevated largely because buyers are still paying top dollar for red-hot segments such as crossovers and big SUVs, which cost more than sedans.

Now, many analysts say the perfect climate is developing to pull prices lower soon:

Slowing sales: It may be high prices or it may be good deals on late-model used cars, but sales of new vehicles have plateaued, and even fallen for the past two months. That is forcing discounts from automakers to keep market share. September incentives hit a record $3,888 per vehicle, beating the old mark set in 2008, according to J.D. Power.

Family car blues: Demand for cars has fallen as buyers snap up higher-priced SUVs and pickup trucks. Cars made up only 40% of US sales in September, barely above the record low set in July, meaning companies will need to lower prices to move sedans off dealer lots. Analysts say prices of the better-selling vehicles will remain high in the near-term but eventually fall as well.

Leases surge: Leasing dried up during the financial crisis, cutting off a main supply of used cars. It recovered to 25 percent of new car sales in 2014, and is now over 30 percent. That means many late-model cars in good condition are coming to the market. Kelley Blue Book estimates 3.5-million leases expire next year, and as many as 4.5-million expire in 2018. Automakers will offer discounts to move the used vehicles, and prices of new cars will have to drop to stay competitive.

KBB senior market analyst Alec Gutierrez said: "You're going to see greater and greater pressure put on the used-car market, more significant discounting."

Average US family can't afford new car

As prices hit record levels and household income grew slowly, many buyers were priced out of new cars. Prices are so high now that the average family in the nation's 50 largest metro areas can't afford to buy a new vehicle, according to a study by Bankrate.com. That hasn't stopped some buyers, who are borrowing larger amounts at longer terms to secure that new car, Bankrate says.

Wes Lutz, owner of a Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram dealership in Michigan said: "Customers have an affordability problem."

About one-third of his customers can't get credit, another third have trouble, and the rest are credit-worthy, he said. Even if prices fall, Lutz expects government safety and fuel economy requirements to push them back up, driving more people from new cars to used. He's adding personnel and square footage to his used-car operation in anticipation.

Alaina Dishman, 19, of Lansing, Michigan, was among those who didn't have enough credit to buy a new car when she went to Lutz's showroom last summer. But a salesman got her into a program that helps young people build credit. Her father co-signed, and she got a two-year lease on new Jeep Compass small SUV for under $200 per month. Dishman, who works at a grocery store, traded in a 1995 Nissan Maxima with 260 000 miles on it, fearing the car wouldn't be reliable in the winter.

Profits to take a hit

Even with slower car sales, times will remain good for the auto industry. Jeff Schuster, senior vice president for forecasting at LMC Automotive, predicts 2016 US sales will fall a bit shy of 2015's record, with slight increases in 2017 and 2018. Mendel says that's still good business, especially for automakers like Honda with a lot of new products. But higher incentives and lower prices could hurt automaker profits down the road.

Schuster says many automakers were using rental fleets and incentives to boost sales in hopes of avoiding headlines that could cause consumers to delay purchases and investors to balk at buying stock. "If everything continues to be wonderful, it gets reported as wonderful, and I should go buy a new car," he says.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Industry_News/car-prices-poised-to-fall-as-demand-dries-up-20161005
 
The monthly Naamsa stats generally make for rather interesting reading. But, naturally, we tend to focus on the best-performing vehicles in terms of sales.

Indeed, we’ve already reported the 10 best-selling passenger cars of September 2016, as well as listing the 10 best-selling bakkies in our market for the same period.

But now we’ve decided to take a look at the worst-selling passenger car models on our shores. Of course, we must bear in mind that certain importers – such as Hyundai and Kia – do not submit individual model sales figures, instead only disclosing aggregate sales stats. Mercedes-Benz, too, has taken a similar stance in recent times.

Also, take note that – in order to make this list more relevant – we’ve excluded vehicles ranges that start at more than R500 000. Otherwise, this table would be dominated by luxury manufacturers such as Bentley, Ferrari and Maserati, whose high-priced vehicles traditionally sell in tiny numbers.

So, what happened in September 2016? Well, seven local vehicle ranges each sold just a single unit. It must be pointed out, however, that the Jeep Compass has been discontinued in South Africa, so its single sale effectively came from run-out stock. It’s a similar case with the Golf Cabriolet, which was recently removed from Volkswagen SA’s official price list.

Another three vehicle ranges each sold just two units. One of these, however, was the outgoing, third-generation Renault Mégane (for the record, some 87 units of the newly launched fourth-generation Mégane were sold in September).

For reference, see August’s list here.

South Africa’s 10 worst-selling passenger cars (under R500k) of September 2016

Citroën C1 – 1
Jeep Compass – 1
Lexus CT 200h – 1
Peugeot 2008 – 1
Toyota Prius – 1
Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet – 1
Volvo V60 – 1
Mahindra Quanto – 2
Mini Paceman – 2
Renault Mégane III – 2

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/sas-10-worst-selling-cars-under-r500k-of-sept-2016/
 
When your prices go up, you blame the Rand.

When your sales suffer, you blame the Rand.

When the Rand gets stronger, your prices stay the same.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner, and it's not the Rand.


3rd point is not correct. When the rand gets stronger, prices go up. ;)
 
This is South Africa. Colloquially known as "LAND OF THE RIP-OFF"

Business in South Africa, has capitalized very well on stupidity, and the fact that there is an inherent psychological flaw in South African mindsets. They keep ripping us off- BECAUSE THEY CAN AND THEY GET AWAY WITH IT.
 
Cape Town - The South African motoring industry faced yet another challenging quarter, according to the latest TransUnion SA Vehicle Pricing Index (VPI) for used and new vehicle sales.

The Q3 2016 VPI found that the rate of used and new vehicle pricing increased further to 9.9% and 2.8% in Q3 2016 from 8.4% and 2.7% in Q2 2016 respectively, which suggests used car sales volumes will continue to rise.

The VPI measures the relationship between the year-on-year increase in vehicle pricing for used and new vehicles from a basket of passenger vehicles which incorporates the top 15 volume manufacturers. Vehicle sales data collated from across the industry was used to create the Index.

Weakening rand

According to the report, the further increase of new vehicle prices can be attributed to a delayed reaction to the rand weakness and ongoing poor economic conditions.

Derick de Vries, CEO: Auto Information Solutions at TransUnion, said: “The ongoing recession in the domestic new vehicle market, combined with an extremely difficult economic environment points to an unfavourable short to medium term outlook.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/news/guid...o-increase-transunion-sa-20161013?mobile=true
 
Looking at the health of our economy and their refusal to ever drop prices, don't see this recovering for a long while yet, maybe years..
 
Looking at the health of our economy and their refusal to ever drop prices, don't see this recovering for a long while yet, maybe years..

Refusal? That would assume they're making a profit. You'd be surprised how much (little) profit is made on imported vehicles.
 
Looking at the health of our economy and their refusal to ever drop prices, don't see this recovering for a long while yet, maybe years..

Naah, the car market is good at this, they will come out with some plan to allow you to " afford" the car at those high prices.

Like extend payment for 30 years with only a 40% residual or allow you with one signature to add the price of your car onto your house or some other "fantastic deal"
 
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