The SA Vehicle Industry Thread

Lupus said:
VW, GM and I think Ford don't come with service plans anymore :-(
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They do. Ranger base models (workhorses) do not, though. My Ecosport and Ranger both came with a 4yr/120 000km service plan
 
Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-17/ford-to-idle-four-factories-as-slowing-sales-increase-inventory

Ford Motor Co. is temporarily halting one of two plants that builds the top-selling F-150 pickup as it idles four factories this month amid slowing U.S. auto sales.

This week, Ford is shutting its Louisville, Kentucky, factory building the Escape and Lincoln MKC sport utility vehicles, as well as two plants in Mexico that make the Fusion sedan and Fiesta subcompact, according to an e-mailed statement. Next week, the second-largest U.S. automaker said, it will close the F-150 factory near Kansas City for seven days. And starting Oct. 31, the Louisville plant will be idled for another week, Ford said.

The plant closings follow last week’s shutdown of Ford’s Mustang factory in Michigan after sales of the sports car plunged 32 percent in September. U.S. auto sales are slowing as many analysts predict the industry won’t match last year’s record of 17.5 million cars and light trucks. Ford Chief Executive Officer Mark Fields has said the U.S. auto market has plateaued and that showroom sales are weakening.
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Dropping sales is a global phenomenon, may they all burn until I can buy a proper sports car for next to nothing :twisted:
 
FlashSA said:
Yip!

A little known fact is that any car can be bought without the included service or maintenance plan....
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How sure are you about that?
I checked with Honda, BMW and Kia. All insisted that the service/maintenance/warranty and on-the-road costs are part of the deal.
 
stroller said:
How sure are you about that?
I checked with Honda, BMW and Kia. All insisted that the service/maintenance/warranty and on-the-road costs are part of the deal.
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Of course the warranty is there (unless you service it at a non approved place, then it will not be honoured). All the other items can be removed, even the on the road fees, of course they will insist it can't be removed but that's because they are lying...
 
supersunbird said:
Of course the warranty is there (unless you service it at a non approved place, then it will not be honoured). All the other items can be removed, even the on the road fees, of course they will insist it can't be removed but that's because they are lying...
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Perhaps I'm a lousy negotiator; I probably am.
Why don't you go to the local Honda or BMW dealer and tell them that you need a price from them.
Since you don't want:
(a) A service/maintenance plan.
(b) Any warranty other than the six month warranty as per the Consumer Protection Act.
(c) On the road fees as you'll be doing all the registration drama yourself.

Their quote must reflect the purchase price of the vehicle and show how much they deduct for each of the items that you don't want.

I would love to see the outcome of your endeavours; please don't disappoint us because you said that it can be done..
 
stroller said:
Perhaps I'm a lousy negotiator; I probably am.
Why don't you go to the local Honda or BMW dealer and tell them that you need a price from them.
Since you don't want:
(a) A service/maintenance plan.
(b) Any warranty other than the six month warranty as per the Consumer Protection Act.
(c) On the road fees as you'll be doing all the registration drama yourself.

Their quote must reflect the purchase price of the vehicle and show how much they deduct for each of the items that you don't want.

I would love to see the outcome of your endeavours; please don't disappoint us because you said that it can be done..
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I can't force them to do it either, just saying that they are lying if they say it can't be removed, they just want to.
 
supersunbird said:
I can't force them to do it either, just saying that they are lying if they say it can't be removed, they just want to.
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I am trying to prove that they are NOT lying!
No new car dealer will ever sell a car without the appendages that I've attached.(other than on-the-fcking-road-fees).
The OEM will only allow a car to be sold on their dictated terms.
 
kripstoe said:
Refusal? That would assume they're making a profit. You'd be surprised how much (little) profit is made on imported vehicles.
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Jissie, just how long do we have to wait for you to prove your point?
 
stroller said:
How sure are you about that?
I checked with Honda, BMW and Kia. All insisted that the service/maintenance/warranty and on-the-road costs are part of the deal.
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I have direct experience with being able to remove the maintenance plan on a new Peugeot and the service plan on a new Ford. warranty is fixed and has no "value" which can be deducted from the selling price of a vehicle.
 
FlashSA said:
I have direct experience with being able to remove the maintenance plan on a new Peugeot and the service plan on a new Ford. warranty is fixed and has no "value" which can be deducted from the selling price of a vehicle.
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And with how much was the prices dropped? This is interesting to me. Wonder if Renault does the same
 
Pakka said:
And with how much was the prices dropped? This is interesting to me. Wonder if Renault does the same
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Can't recall for the Peugeot, was in 2012 and I never removed the maintenance plan. I just enquired the value of it at the time of purchase.

The ford base model Ranger was just short of R20k. That was before the facelift, when they still included the service plan in the RRP. Now Ranger base does not include the service plan but they have managed to keep pricing fairly constant as a result.
 
NAAMSA: October 2016 – The decline continues

Commenting on the new vehicle sales statistics for the month of October 2016 – released today for public consumption on the website of the Department of Trade & Industry – Naamsa commented that conditions in the new vehicle market had remained extremely difficult characterised by double-digit or near double-digit year-on-year declines in all segments. In contrast, export sales of new motor vehicles had reflected a noteworthy year-on-year improvement.

October 2016 aggregate new vehicle sales at 48 745 units had registered a decline of 5 494 vehicles or a fall of 10,1% compared to the 54 239 vehicles sold in October last year. Aggregate industry export sales at 30 718 vehicles for October reflected an improvement of 2 999 vehicles or an increase of 10,8% compared to the 27 719 vehicles exported in October last year.

Overall, out of the total reported industry sales of 48 745 vehicles, an estimated 37 931 units or 77,8% represented dealer sales, 16,5% represented sales to the vehicle rental industry, 4,1% represented industry corporate fleet sales and 1,6% sales to government.

The consumer-driven new car market had continued to experience pressure during October and at 32 738 units reflected a decline of 3 438 cars or a fall of 9,5% compared to the 36 176 new cars sold in October last year. The contribution by the car rental industry accounted for 23,6% of all new cars sold during the month.

Domestic sales of industry new light commercial vehicles, bakkies and minibuses at 13 559 units during October reflected a decline of 1 623 units or a fall of 10,7% compared to the 15 182 light commercial vehicles sold during the corresponding month last year.

Sales of vehicles in the medium- and heavy-truck segments of the industry at 698 units and 1 750 units, respectively, had registered substantial falls and, in the case of medium commercial vehicles, reflected a decline of 255 units or 26,8% and in the case of heavy trucks and buses, a decline of 178 vehicles or a fall of 9,2% compared to the corresponding month last year. The latest figures suggested lower levels of capital investment in the economy.

As expected, industry new vehicle exports during October had improved by 2 999 vehicles or a gain of 10,8% compared to the 27 719 vehicles exported in October last year. The momentum of new vehicle exports should improve further over the balance of 2016 and into 2017 thereby contributing positively to South Africa’s current account of the balance of payments.

Domestically, the short- to medium-term outlook remained extremely challenging. Double-digit new vehicle price inflation, pressure on household disposable incomes, low levels of business confidence and relatively high interest rates would continue to impact negatively on new vehicle sales.

The lower levels of new vehicle sales represented a reflection of current difficult economic conditions in South Africa. Key economic indicators were mixed – the decline in the October Purchasing Manager’s Index suggested a difficult start for the manufacturing sector to the fourth quarter of 2016.

On the other hand, the latest Reserve Bank leading indicator had registered positive growth for the first time in three years and represented the biggest month on month increase over the past two years. This suggested the possibility of a modest improvement in the economy over the coming year to 18 months.

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/naamsa-october-2016-the-decline-continues/
 
New Car Sales Summary – October 2016

48 745 aggregate new vehicle sales down by 10.1% (5 494 units) compared to October 2015.
32 738 new vehicle sales down by 9.5% (3 438 units) compared to October 2015.
13 559 Light Commercial Vehicle (LCV) sales down by 10.7% (1 623 units) compared to October 2015.
30 718 export sales up by 10.8% (2 999 units) compared to October 2015

http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/new-car-sales-in-south-africa--october-2016/42831/#
 
So let's raise the price to make up the lost sales.
 
I received an email from BMW this morning offering up to R100K assistance on buying a new car.

Pity I am broke.
 
How does the "assistance" work? I see it advertised a lot. Is it worked into your finance amount?
 
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