The SA Vehicle Industry Thread

I thought you were talking k@k, but, holy smokes - mid R500k's for a 320. No man!! View attachment 411102
A 318 is half a mill!? WTF!?

Haha! So a GTI is half a mill now to. How are so many people buying guide these things!!? I can't make it to work without seeing at least 5 of them, I don't even bother counting
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A 318 is half a mill!? WTF!?

Haha! So a GTI is half a mill now to. How are so many people buying guide these things!!? I can't make it to work without seeing at least 5 of them, I don't even bother counting
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People are buying them with a huge residual I reckon. As has been said before, they cough up a deposit to rent a car....
 
Yeah. The cars monthly installments are only possible with taking 40% residual.

It's a bubble that has to burst at some stage
The banks and manufactures are aware of the bubble so they won't let it pop. It's a catch 22 situation for them. They have to make sales to keep to their businesses running and somehow slowly deflate the bubble. So we get high prices for maximum profits and decreased sales.
 
Drive your car until it dies. It costs far less to maintain your car in the long run, even taking into account unforeseen hiccups, than it would cost to finance a new vehicle every 5 years.

Don't fall into the maintenance plan trap thinking you have to trade it in before the maintenance plan expires, because you'll be paying car installments forever. Rather save the money that you would have spent on installments, and use it as an emergency fund for basically anything in your life (including services, part replacements and even medical expenses). You'll be surprised at how quickly that fund grows...
I may just have to do that. Pretty much paid my demo model A3 off very quickly early on and now it's 6 years old and only 73,000km on the clock. Replacing it doesn't make much sense as I'd have to have to chuck over 200k at a 1 year old low mileage equivalent (assuming my A3 is worth anything close to 150k)!
 
You know things are getting mental when a freaking 1.2 Picanto is just shy of R200k

I bought the 1.2ex in May 2013. Paid R145k AFTER adding a 3 years service plan, sunroof and towbar. Very steep increase indeed.
 
Slow growth predicted for SA truck industry


After declining for two years in a row, sales of medium and heavy commercial vehicles and buses are likely to show a modest improvement in 2017, according to Isuzu Truck SA COO Craig Uren.

Speaking at a media briefing at Kyalami on Thursday, Uren predicted that the total commercial vehicle market (excluding LCVs) would total 27 500 units in 2017, up 1.8 percent from last year’s 27 041 units. However, this also factors in 500 units that another manufacturer is expected to report into a different segment, so in real terms we could be looking at growth of two to three percent.

Uren highlighted a few of the global challenges that are likely to affect South Africa’s economy in the coming year, including uncertainty over Trump’s policies, risks to the Eurozone amidst conservative voting patterns and rising oil prices as Opec fights to regain its former glory.

That last point could have the biggest short-term impact on ordinary South Africans, Uren warning that local fuel prices could rise by up to two rand a litre in the next six months, factoring in the steep rise in fuel levies that a cash-strapped Treasury could announce in February.

As far as the truck market goes, it’s the ‘little guys’ that are taking the biggest hit as the bigger businesses that operate heavies have access to greater resources, such as financing, allowing them to weather economic storms.

To that end, medium commercial vehicle sales took a far bigger hit in 2016 (down 18.7 percent to 8447 units), while the heavies declined 7.4 percent to 18 594.

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/trucks/slow-growth-predicted-for-sa-truck-industry-7443694
 
Truck sales too low for full SA manufacture

Isuzu Truck South Africa (ITSA) is pessimistic about the sustainability of any government incentive programme to encourage the full-scale manufacture of commercial vehicles in South Africa.

Craig Uren, a director and chief operating officer of ITSA, said yesterday that the sales volumes of cars and light commercial vehicles made the business model of the Automotive Production and Development Programme work.

However, Uren said there were a multitude of truck manufactures but with only about 30 000 trucks sold in South Africa, the volumes were too low for full local manufacturing of commercial vehicles to be sustainable.

Uren said Isuzu’s factory in Fujisawa in Japan built more trucks in one month than were sold in South Africa in a year and questioned how South Africa could achieve economies of scale from such low-volume production.

He said the priority in South Africa was to create jobs, but dictating that businesses needed to do certain things to create jobs was not sustainable.

Uren stressed the need for downstream investment in areas such as truck body building and re-manufacturing.

“We have invested in body builders to make them sustainable and invested in re-manufacturing to keep those businesses sustainable. We are doing things to be a player that creates opportunity and employment for people through what trucks create,” he said.

Uren added that ITSA had shrunk what it needed to build from components out of a box at its assembly line in Port Elizabeth and had set up a separate company, Automotive Chassis Technology (ACT), to shorten or lengthen chassis and for any derivatives.

He said ACT employed a *further 50 to 60 people because ITSA’s assembly line only built one wheel base model but sold three- or four-wheel base truck models.

Uren said ITSA expected the domestic commercial vehicle market to grow year on year by 1.8 percent to about 27 800 units this year.

Truck sales in South Africa last year slumped by 11.3* percent year on year to 27 011 units.

Price increase

He said price increases in the industry had averaged between 10 percent and 15 percent between November 2015 and last November.

Uren said a price increase in the capital goods *environment of 15 percent on a truck costing R 1million impacted the operator’s ability to fund the asset, run it cost effectively and contribute *positively to gross domestic product (GDP), but not all these *factors had come through into the market yet.

He stressed that economics drove the truck market and ITSA’s forecast for the market this year included reducing sales by 500 units by another unnamed manufacturer that it believed would re-report in a different segment.

Uren said if these 500 units were included in ITSA’s sales forecast, it meant a growth of between 2 percent and 3 percent in the truck market when GDP was forecast to hardly grow by 1 percent.

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“Capital goods will follow GDP and the business environment. Growth of anything between 2 percent and 3 percent is as realistic as we can get for now,” he said.

Uren said ITSA remained the number one Japanese truck original equipment manufacturer in South Africa last year for the fourth consecutive year.

He said ITSA sold 3 952 units last year to end the year with a 14.6 percent market share.

Excluding vans and buses, segments that ITSA did not compete in, increased the company’s market share to 16.7percent, he said.

http://www.iol.co.za/business-report/companies/truck-sales-too-low-for-full-sa-manufacture-7450231
 
Interesting read:

The most popular cars in Europe – by country

In case you hadn’t heard, the Ford Fiesta has been best-seller in the UK for a number of years. Here’s what other European Union countries are buying in their droves

The top ten best-selling cars in the UK are easy to spot; on every street there’s at least one Fiesta, Corsa, Focus or Golf.

What is the best-selling car in other countries, though? Find out below which cars the rest of Europe loves as much as the UK loves the Ford Fiesta, measured by market analysts JATO Dynamics:

Austria: Volkswagen Golf

With no mainstream car manufacturers, Austria’s top-seller can’t be from a domestic manufacturer. 12,684 buyers flocked to the Volkswagen Golf in 2016, trouncing the next-best-seller, the Skoda Octavia, at 8693.

Belgium: Volkswagen Golf

The same can be said for Belgium, but clearly being wedged between France and Germany has its effects: the Volkswagen Golf is the most popular car, followed by the Renault Clio. 14,519 and 11,600 found owners respectively.

Croatia: Nissan Qashqai

Compared to most other European markets, Croatia’s car market is tiny, and its best-seller, the Nissan Qashqai, sold 687 units in 2016, followed by 535 Toyota Yarises.

Czech Republic: Skoda Octavia

No two guesses which carmaker rules supreme here - the Skoda Octavia sold 28,406 units and the second-best-seller was the Fabia, which sold 21,769, in fact, half of the country’s top ten best-sellers are Skodas. The first non-Skoda amongst the best-sellers is the Hyundai i30 – fifth place, with 7900 units.

Denmark: Peugeot 208

Peugeot’s only top spot in Europe is in Denmark, where 9381 208s found homes, while the next best-seller was the Volkswagen Up, of which 7361 were sold.

Estonia: Skoda Octavia

Estonia has a proclivity for larger cars, it would seem, as the Skoda Octavia took pole position having sold 1139 cars, while 838 units put the Toyota Avensis in second place.

Finland: Skoda Octavia

Skoda claims another victory in Finland with the Octavia – 5530 were sold there in 2016. Second place was taken by the Nissan Qashqai, although nearly 1000 less – 4663 – were sold across the year.

France: Renault Clio

Little surprise here; France’s top car is the Renault Clio, and a whopping 112,118 took it right to the top. The Peugeot 208 took second place, with 97,817 units being sold. Only one car, the Dacia Sandero, in France’s top ten isn’t from France, but even then, Dacia is Renault-owned.

Germany: Volkswagen Golf

The Volkswagen Golf and Passat took a 1-2 on home turf, with the Golf having sold 185,654 cars in the county – the best-selling car in any single market. It sells so well that the second-place Passat sold less than half this number; 79,216. The Opel Astra and Corsa – fifth and tenth with 65,197 and 55196 sales – are the only non-Germans in the top ten.

Greece: Toyota Yaris

The Toyota Yaris takes the top spot in Greece, with 5307 cars sold, compared to the second-place Opel Corsa’s 3845 units sold.

Hungary: Suzuki Vitara

Hungarian buyers are hungry (sorry) for the Suzuki Vitara, quite probably because it's made there - the model sold 6538 units there in 2016. Meanwhile, the Skoda Octavia sold 5283 down in second place.

Ireland: Hyundai Tucson

Hyundai has well and truly taken hold in Ireland; the Tucson was the best-selling car across the Irish sea in 2016, and grew by a staggering 11,323% over 2015, to 7425 units. The Volkswagen Golf, meanwhile, sold 5143.

Italy: Fiat Panda

Nationalism wins, once again – the Fiat Panda was the best-selling car in Italy last year, with 147,262 finding homes. The Lancia Ypsilon was second, with a comparatively piddly 65,647. It’s a 60/40 split between Fiat Chrysler group cars and other manufacturers in Italy, with the Renault Clio, Ford Fiesta, and Volkswagens Polo and Golf in the top ten, too.

Latvia: Nissan Qashqai

Another win for Nissan – the Qashqai claimed a small victory in Latvia last year, with 772 sold overall. The Skoda Octavia came in second, having sold 577 units.

Lithuania: Fiat 500

Fiat’s second pole position came in Lithuania, where the 500 sold in 2459 – the fact that it’s made there could be a clue - while the Nissan Qashqai was the second best-seller. 794 were sold in 2016.

Luxembourg: Volkswagen Golf

Luxembourg’s market mirrors Belgium’s, with the Volkswagen Golf taking first and the Renault Clio taking second. Each sold 1645 and 1240 units respectively.

Netherlands: Volkswagen Golf

Another victory for the Volkswagen Golf: 10,858 were sold to the Dutch in 2016, while the Renault Clio settled for second place once again, albeit narrowly; 10,741 found homes.

Norway: Volkswagen Golf

Surprise! The Volkswagen Golf was the best-selling car in Norway last year, with 12,259 sold. The Mitsubishi Outlander was in second place, but sold less than half of the Golf’s Norwegian total, at 5687.

Poland: Skoda Octavia

Skoda took another top two in Poland, with the Octavia and Fabia taking first and second place; the Fabia taking 16,960 and Fabia taking 15,070 sales in the country.

Portugal: Renault Clio

French superminis find more homes than anything else in Portugal, as the Renault Clio sold 11,494 as the country’s best-seller and the Peugeot 208 sold 6914.

Romania: Dacia Logan

Dacia took its home market by storm last year. The Logan and Duster made up the top two, with the former finding homes in 16,911 garages, and the latter parked in 5251. The Sandero takes fourth place, and Skoda Octavia slipped in at third in the Romanian market.

Serbia: Fiat 500L

Fiat’s only other victory is in Serbia, where the 500L was sold to 1709 punters. It's another example of a car dominating the market where it is made. Skoda’s Octavia sold 1219 units, taking second place.

Slovakia: Skoda Fabia

The Skoda Fabia takes its first pole position in Slovakia, while its bigger brother, the Octavia, wasn’t far behind. The Fabia was bought by 5373 Slovakians, and the Octavia was bought by 4952.

Slovenia: Renault Clio

The Renault Clio claims another first place in the Slovenian market, with 3854 sales ensuring its lead over the Volkswagen Golf, which sold 2594.

Spain: Seat Leon

What’s Spanish for ‘quelle surprise’? The Seat Leon and Ibiza took gold and silver in Spain, with 33,494 and 31,754 finding a place in the sun last year. Surprisingly, though, the rest of the top ten is a healthy mix. Introductions of the Ateca and Arona SUVs could make Seat’s footprint in Spain larger, though.

Sweden: Volkswagen Golf

There was uproar when the Volkswagen Golf took the lead in Sweden’s car market from Volvo, but three Volvos combined took second: the S80, V70 and XC70. The Golf sold 22,088 and the three Swedes took 17,270 between them.

Switzerland: Skoda Octavia

With no native carmakers of any large volume, the Swiss buy the Skoda Octavia and Volkswagen Golf more than any other cars. 11,648 bought an Octavia last year, and 10,525 bought a Golf.

UK: Ford Fiesta

The Fiesta is perched atop the lofty list of the UK’s top-sellers, with 120,525 shifted last year. 77,110 Vauxhall Corsas took second place. You can find the rest of the best-seller list here.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/most-popular-cars-europe-–-country
 
Have 10K left to repay on beemer. Doubt I will buy another new one now.
 
Here are ALL the cars the government bought in 2016


In 2016, the South African government purchased a total of 4 273 passenger vehicles, according to figures from Lightstone Auto.

Despite what you might think, flashy SUVs and long-wheelbase German sedans don’t dominate the list. No, instead, the Volkswagen Polo Vivo Sedan proved the most popular, with 1 839 units (as opposed to just 121 locally built Polo Vivo hatchbacks) bought during the year. Next came the Toyota Corolla, while the Toyota Etios claimed third spot.

Ten electric cars found their way into government fleets during the year – five Nissan Leaf models and five BMW i3 units.

Bear in mind that the list below (and the total mentioned above) excludes commercial vehicles. Look out for a separate post listing all of the bakkies bought by the government in 2016 soon…

Passenger vehicles bought by SA government in 2016:

Volkswagen Polo Vivo Sedan – 1 839
Toyota Corolla – 441
Toyota Etios – 268
Ford Focus – 235
Toyota Corolla Quest – 192
Volkswagen Golf – 145
BMW 3 Series – 137
Volkswagen Polo Vivo Hatch – 121
Hyundai H1 – 92
Volkswagen Polo Sedan – 74
Toyota Avanza – 87
Chevrolet Aveo – 57
Hyundai Accent – 48
Toyota Yaris – 46
BMW X5 – 33
Volkswagen Jetta – 27
Opel Corsa – 27
Nissan Almera – 27
Toyota Land Cruiser SW – 23
Audi Q7 – 22
Ford Figo – 22
Ford Fiesta – 21
Kia Cerato – 21
Datsun GO – 18
BMW 7 Series – 16
BMW 1 Series – 15
Hyundai i20 – 14
Nissan X-Trail – 14
Chevrolet Captiva – 12
BMW 5 Series – 11
Chevrolet Cruze – 10
Chevrolet Trailblazer – 10
Audi A6 – 9
Hyundai i30 – 9
Jeep Grand Cherokee – 9
Toyota Fortuner – 9
Toyota Prado – 9
Audi A4 – 8
Kia Sportage – 8
Hyundai i10 – 7
Nissan NV200 – 7
Volkswagen Caddy – 6
BMW i3 – 5
Nissan Leaf – 5
BMW X6 – 4
Kia Rio – 4
Volkswagen Polo hatch – 4
Chevrolet Sonic – 3
Datsun GO+ – 3
Ford Kuga – 3
Lexus NX – 3
Toyota Land Cruiser 200 – 3
Volkswagen Caravelle – 3
Audi Q5 – 2
BMW X1 – 2
Ford EcoSport – 2
Ford Tourneo Connect – 2
Hyundai Grand i10 – 2
Mercedes-Benz M-Class (now GLE) – 2
Volkswagen Touareg – 2
Audi A3 Sportback – 1
Audi A8 – 1
BMW X4 – 1
Infiniti QX70 – 1
Jeep Cherokee – 1
Lexus ES – 1
Lexus RX – 1
Nissan Sentra – 1
Renault Duster – 1
Toyota Aygo – 1
Toyota RAV4 – 1
Volkswagen Beetle – 1
Volkswagen Kombi – 1

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/here-are-all-the-cars-the-government-bought-in-2016/
 
Quite sure it's a different story when it comes to the cars government bought for ministers and other high ranking officials, no Polo Vivos allowed there.

Also very disappointed that not a single Chinese car on that list.
 
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