The SA Vehicle Industry Thread

chopsky said:
I'd imagine it might have something to do with Hyundai's 7 year warranty period vs Mazda's 3 year.
Buyers put a lot of weight (understandably) into the warranty.
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Cost me R6k to extend my warranty from 3 years to 6 years. Warranties aren't expensive to extend, maintenance/service plans are...
 
Tuscon also looks a bit more upmarket than the Mazda. Has to be worth a few bucks. It's not like either is a badge buy.
 
vigras rojara said:
Tuscon also looks a bit more upmarket than the Mazda. Has to be worth a few bucks. It's not like either is a badge buy.
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Let's do a little comparison, 121kW, 210Nm compared to 115kW, 196Nm of the Tucson.This are the features that the Mazda has over the Hyundai:

Engine auto stop/start
Brake assist(BASEBA)
Traction control
Stability control
Climate control
Cruise control
Rain sensing auto wipers
Electric foldable mirrors
Light sensor auto on/off lights

All this extra features for R10500 less than the Tucson, now what is upmarket about paying more for less?
 
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thechamp said:
Let's do a little comparison, 121kW, 210Nm compared to 115kW, 196Nm of the Tucson.This are the features that the Mazda has over the Hyundai:

Engine auto stop/start
Brake assist(BASEBA)
Traction control
Stability control
Climate control
Cruise control
Rain sensing auto wipers
Electric foldable mirrors
Light sensor auto on/off lights

All this extra features for R10500 less than the Tucson, now what is upmarket with paying more for less?
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I simply don't see the Tucson not having brake assist and traction/stability control.

Maybe they just don't list it specifically but I'm pretty sure it's there.

Wouldn't be surprised if most of the rest are there too, but I'm not about to specially go check.
 
thechamp said:
Let's do a little comparison, 121kW, 210Nm compared to 115kW, 196Nm of the Tucson.This are the features that the Mazda has over the Hyundai:

Engine auto stop/start
Brake assist(BASEBA)
Traction control
Stability control
Climate control
Cruise control
Rain sensing auto wipers
Electric foldable mirrors
Light sensor auto on/off lights

All this extra features for R10500 less than the Tucson, now what is upmarket about paying more for less?
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The Tuscon is the better looking vehicle though . It actually looks quite nice, as opposed to a blob. And I don't think many people will lament the 6kw deficit in the real world.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
That's just bizarre, the Tucson's price is in the territory of much better rivals, do people just not bother to look at superior cars for the same price?
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SauRoNZA said:
I simply don't see the Tucson not having brake assist and traction/stability control.

Maybe they just don't list it specifically but I'm pretty sure it's there.

Wouldn't be surprised if most of the rest are there too, but I'm not about to specially go check.
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Maybe that's what the buyers said when they bought the Tucson, " I'm pretty sure everything's there". Now I am starting to believe what Narrowband said, maybe some people are just too lazy to do their homework when buying a car.

I did not make that up though when you eventually get time to check you will see for yourself.

N.B Comparing entry level models from both brands, true, once you go higher up in the Tucson range you will get these but at a premium, whilst you can get them in entry level model on other brands.
 
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vigras rojara said:
The Tuscon is the better looking vehicle though . It actually looks quite nice, as opposed to a blob. And I don't think many people will lament the 6kw deficit in the real world.
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I agree that looks are subjective and power is not everything but what about all the other features you'll be missing out on, some which I consider to be safety features?
 
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Hey, maybe the Mazda is the better buy. I agree that Hyundai s aren't the value proposition they once were. They remain extremely reliable though, and it's a stretch to say they're a safety risk. I have three in my fleet and they are just bullet proof, so I might be a bit biased, I'll admit.
 
PS. One of my staff got T-boned down the road by a truck, and the car was dragged about 100 m by the truck. This was in a previous generation i20. She walked away without a scratch.
 
thechamp said:
Maybe that's what the buyers said when they bought the Tucson, " I'm pretty sure everything's there". Now I am starting to believe what Narrowband said, maybe some people are just too lazy to do their homework when buying a car.

I did not make that up though when you eventually get time to check you will see for yourself.

N.B Comparing entry level models from both brands, true, once you go higher up in the Tucson range you will get these but at a premium, whilst you can get them in entry level model on other brands.
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Aah okay didn't realise an entry level even exists.

This isn't a Datsun Go.

It's inexcusable for that car not to have this stuff but frankly quite ridiculous if the Tucson doesn't.

So that being the case I would be on Team Mazda as well.
 
vigras rojara said:
PS. One of my staff got T-boned down the road by a truck, and the car was dragged about 100 m by the truck. This was in a previous generation i20. She walked away without a scratch.
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Sure that's the chassis and airbags doing their word.

The reality though is that with ESP and proper ABS they might not be in a situation to need those in the first place.

I mean ffs my sister's Diahatsu Terios have ESP so it's ridiculous if the Entry Tucson doesn't.

It's probably not even a feature that physically isn't there but rather disabled to up sell the better models.
 
vigras rojara said:
Tuscon also looks a bit more upmarket than the Mazda. Has to be worth a few bucks. It's not like either is a badge buy.
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From my conversations with people who've bought the new Tucson or other new Hyundais, their justifications for purchase are usually:

1) They presume that the Korean cars are automatically better value than the rest (historically true).

2) They love the flashy looks of the new Tucson/Sportage.

3) The longer warranties.
 
chopsky said:
From my conversations with people who've bought the new Tucson or other new Hyundais, their justifications for purchase are usually:

1) They presume that the Korean cars are automatically better value than the rest (historically true).

2) They love the flashy looks of the new Tucson/Sportage.

3) The longer warranties.
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4) Does not go up in fire!
 
SauRoNZA said:
Aah okay didn't realise an entry level even exists.

This isn't a Datsun Go.

It's inexcusable for that car not to have this stuff but frankly quite ridiculous if the Tucson doesn't.

So that being the case I would be on Team Mazda as well.
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Not just Mazda, there are so many options to choose from.
 
50 best-selling vehicles in the world in 2016…

Last week, we reported that some 84,24 million units across the passenger car and light commercial segments were sold globally in 2016. But which were the most popular vehicles around the world?

Well, Jato Dynamics has released a list of the 50 best-selling vehicles globally last year, and it makes for rather interesting reading.

The Ford F-Series topped the table thanks largely to huge demand in the United States for large pickups. The Toyota Corolla snaffled second place, while the Volkswagen Golf suffered a dip in demand in its largest market of Europe, and thus had to settle for third spot.

The best-selling SUV of the year was the Nissan X-Trail (also badged “Rogue” in some markets), which overtook the Honda CR-V.

The list suggests that SUVs were the largest drivers of growth in 2016, with that segment’s volume accounting for almost 29% of all vehicles sold last year. Jato says the majority of these registrations were in the C-SUV sub-segment, but the smallest sub-segment (B-SUV) posted the highest growth of 28%.

“SUVs have continued to take market share away from traditional segments, and this trend isn’t restricted to particular markets – it’s a trend that we’ve seen on a global scale and expect to continue in 2017,” said Felipe Munoz, Jato’s global analyst.

It’s interesting to note the position on the global table of some of South Africa’s best-selling vehicles, such as the Volkswagen Polo hatchback (15th), Hyundai Tucson (19th) and Toyota Hilux (46th).

The Mercedes-Benz C-Class (29th) placed ahead of the BMW 3 Series (34th), while the Ford Kuga managed 13th overall.

50 best-selling cars in the world in 2016:

1. Ford F-Series – 986 660 (+7,7%)
2. Toyota Corolla – 952 576 (+0,9%)
3. Volkswagen Golf – 859 845 (-8,2%)
4. Wuling Hongguang – 847 202 (-0,3%)
5. Nissan X-Trail/Rogue – 766 729 (+23,4%)
6. Hyundai Elantra/Avante/i35 – 765 996 (+4,3%)
7. Ford Focus – 732 893 (-11,1%)
8. Honda HR-V/XR-V/Vezel – 724 769 (+38,4%)
9. Honda CR-V – 707 890 (+2,3%)
10. Toyota RAV4 – 701 756 (+11,7%)
11. Honda Civic – 667 203 (+19,9%)
12. Chevrolet Silverado – 633 995 (-4,2%)
13. Ford Kuga/Escape – 620 934 (-0,8%)
14. Toyota Camry/Aurion – 605 426 (-10,2%)
15. Volkswagen Polo hatchback – 601 096 (+0,7%)
16. Ram Pickup – 594 097 (+6,1%)
17. Volkswagen Jetta/Bora/Sagitar/Vento – 588 213 (+4,8%)
18. Great Wall Haval/Hover H6 – 582 008 (+56,0%)
19. Hyundai Tucson – 577 036 (+130,8%)
20. Honda Accord – 519 789 (-4,0%)
21. Volkswagen Tiguan – 517 156 (+5,0%)
22. Kia Sportage/KX5 – 503 306 (+27,2%)
23. Buick Excelle – 495 509 (+8,4%)
24. Suzuki Swift – 493 538 (-13,2%)
25. Chevrolet Cruze – 489 885 (-16,7%)
26. Ford Fusion/Mondeo – 478 545 (-11,4%)
27. Volkswagen Lavida – 475 452 (+33,7%)
28. Honda Jazz/Fit – 473 860 (-1,7%)
29. Mercedes-Benz C-Class – 463 426 (+3,8%)
30. Ford Fiesta – 447 721 (-16,6%)
31. Mazda3/Axela – 440 480 (+2,4%)
32. Nissan Qashqai/Rogue Sport – 430 283 (+24,4%)
33. Skoda Octavia – 427 077 (+3,5%)
34. BMW 3 Series – 426 140 (-4,2%)
35. Hyundai Accent/Verna/i25/Solaris – 423 333 (-10,0%)
36. Volkswagen Passat (EU)/Magotan – 422 998 (-1,8%)
37. Kia Cerato/Forte/K3 – 420 604 (+20,4%)
38. Kia Rio/Pride/K2 – 394 521 (+4,2%)
39. Nissan Almera/Sylphy Classic – 377 971 (+2,0%)
40. Baojun 730 – 370 169 (+15,3%)
41. Chevrolet Malibu – 361 106 (+15,0%)
42. Renault Clio – 357 815 (+2,3%)
43. Audi A3 – 357 549 (-0,9%)
44. Jeep Cherokee – 355 403 (+19,8%)
45. Toyota Prius – 354 511 (+69,4%)
46. Toyota Hilux – 352 065 (+0,8%)
47. Mazda CX-5 – 351 294 (-1,2%)
48. Hyundai Sonata/i45 – 347 718 (-11,7%)
49. Hyundai i10/Grand i10/Xcent – 344 420 (-2,3%)
50. Volkswagen Jetta (China) – 341 943 (+25,6%)

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/50-best-selling-vehicles-in-the-world-in-2016/
 
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