The SABC has completely collapsed

If the SABC collapsed, would like the channels stop working? I dont watch much TV so im not being antagonistic im just asking. What does a collapse practically entail for day to day operations?
 
JustAsk said:
I'm pretty sure you know this and just want to try to have your BS stick.

Most paying SABC customers are NOT white (which i'm sure you refering to), unless you think that the 1000's of tv's sold in this country by retailers are only to a very tiny working white demographic...even though black middle class are bigger. And those 3 grade local soapies and local soccer are watched by the majority, even on dstv. There's a monthly mybb article about it
THere's plenty to critize the SABC for without running around spreading BS. Public broadcasters all over the world focus on their local content, that's pretty much their job.
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Most people who pay TV license are in fact the elderly.. This one definitely pays and is proud to
 
Lew Skannen said:
This has been a move to force government into bailing out the SABC.

The SABC, much like the rest of the SOE's have the same clauses in place like Eskom and SAA. If these notices are filed, lenders can now make all their debt payable with immediate effect. Those lenders with cross clauses can also make their debt in other SOEs payable with immediate effect.

They cannot sell, they cannot liquidate, they cannot privatize. Government will have no other option but to bail the SABC out and very soon too.
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Peon said:
If the SABC collapsed, would like the channels stop working? I dont watch much TV so im not being antagonistic im just asking. What does a collapse practically entail for day to day operations?
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They're already collapsed. Just a question of when Squirrel will sign the cheque.
 
NO MY ANC.
WHAT NOW.
ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
WHAT IS DONE CORRECTLY?
 
JustAsk said:
I'm pretty sure you know this and just want to try to have your BS stick.

Most paying SABC customers are NOT white (which i'm sure you refering to), unless you think that the 1000's of tv's sold in this country by retailers are only to a very tiny working white demographic...even though black middle class are bigger. And those 3 grade local soapies and local soccer are watched by the majority, even on dstv. There's a monthly mybb article about it
THere's plenty to critize the SABC for without running around spreading BS. Public broadcasters all over the world focus on their local content, that's pretty much their job.
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you must have missed this bit:
and its advertising revenue continues to fall as it is unable to afford new shows or pay its TV production houses on time.
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advertisers will not plough money into low viewership content.
you claim "the majority" are watching crap - if true, then "the majority" will drive advertising spend, yet advertisers are pulling away.

the 1st thing to do is to cull local production houses.
local production costs are excessive.

in fact, cull sabc as a whole
 
Nothing will come of this.

Good thing that SA taxpayers can fit the bill for all of this while infrastructure crumbles.
 
Cherry picking quotes and them misrepresenting them shows the lack of a good argument.

Grant said:
advertisers will not plough money into low viewership content. ...yet advertisers are pulling away.
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Stop lying. Your own quote gives you the reason for lower ad rev, nothing about advertisers pulling away
...as it is unable to afford new shows or pay its TV production houses on time.

you claim "the majority" are watching crap - if true, then "the majority" will drive advertising spend,
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I claim nothing, it is the facts that speak for themselves. Mybb has a monthly post about the "most watch shows".

The majority DO drive ad spend. It is the very specific reason why a 30 sec ad cost R230K during "local crap" like Generations and R250K during Uzalo, but only R48k during Mzansi League, R27k during Amazing Race, R60-80k during the daily Afrikaans programing block from 19h00 on Sabc2.

the 1st thing to do is to cull local production houses.
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and with that cull the estimated daily income of R2 million of just Generations and Uzalo alone. Great solution there, Einstein.

local production costs are excessive.
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But it brings in the most income by far. If you have a local show costing you R10 million but generates R50 million, and an international show costing you R2 million but generates only R4 million, are you really gonna be stupid enough to bitch about the higher production of the local one?

in fact, cull sabc as a whole
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Nonsense. There's nothing wrong with the income generating abilities of the SABC, that is not why they are in financial trouble.
Their problem is
  • poor management
  • excessive wasting
  • unnecessary expenses of sport rights - they should have free access to sports of national interest, just like many public broadcasters abroad.
  • silly programming schedules. That Redi debate show was aired on Saturday night 18h00, Who the fark watches a political show that time. They'll move a popular show to a graveyard timeslot to try and breathe life in that timeslot, completely disregarding the fact that a certain timeslot also is responsible for the popularity of said show.
Besides, killing the SABC not only kills sabc jobs but a whole lot of local production jobs, then you come back and bitch about the job losses.

It is a public broadcaster's job to focus, invest, and develop the host country's local culture. It is like that all over the world. And if you don't like it, move on and watch your Netflix. Not everything in the public interest includes you[/QUOTE]
 
JustAsk said:
It is a public broadcaster's job to focus, invest, and develop the host country's local culture. It is like that all over the world. And if you don't like it, move on and watch your Netflix. Not everything in the public interest includes you
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Just to add to what you've said, it's in the national interest to have a public broadcaster. It makes it easier to disseminate information to the public, apart from the cultural stuff. Emergency response, crime warnings, water warnings, load-shedding sort of stuff. The SABC definitely has its uses. I'd be much less in favour of shutting it down than, e.g. SAA, which really is unnecessary.
 
JustAsk said:
I'm pretty sure you know this and just want to try to have your BS stick.

Most paying SABC customers are NOT white (which i'm sure you refering to), unless you think that the 1000's of tv's sold in this country by retailers are only to a very tiny working white demographic...even though black middle class are bigger. And those 3 grade local soapies and local soccer are watched by the majority, even on dstv. There's a monthly mybb article about it
THere's plenty to critize the SABC for without running around spreading BS. Public broadcasters all over the world focus on their local content, that's pretty much their job.
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Just a FYI, most lower income people buy 2nd hand tv's, and no license required for that if you buy it off gumtree or wherever... obviously not all, but most buy secondhand.
Not referring to middle class...

Obviously whites will not be the biggest contributors with regards to licensing payments, they are what, like 10% of the population....
 
newby_investor said:
Just to add to what you've said, it's in the national interest to have a public broadcaster. It makes it easier to disseminate information to the public, apart from the cultural stuff. Emergency response, crime warnings, water warnings, load-shedding sort of stuff. The SABC definitely has its uses. I'd be much less in favour of shutting it down than, e.g. SAA, which really is unnecessary.
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Not this again...

Tell me what would be more effective for that? An SMS sent via the cellphone network or betting on the off chance that someone is watching ItsADingo.

To use a scenario, how would the government putting an advertising break during Generations alert everyone who actually has a job that there is a tsunami coming?
Lets see: a bulk sms to 56.72 million people.

To use a commercial bulk SMS provider (so these are at I would say, represent the upper limit of the costs, it would probably be far cheaper).
The cost per sms is 21c.
https://www.smssouthafrica.co.za/bulk-sms-pricing/
Which leaves the bill at R11760000.

So to put that in comparison, the cost of 1 sms (at most likely commercial rates) to every South African is less than the annual salary bill for the SABC.
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/bankrupt-sabc-executive-salaries-2018/

This is before you even take into account social media, Whatsapp etc.
 
irBosOtter said:
Just a FYI, most lower income people buy 2nd hand tv's, and no license required for that if you buy it off gumtree or wherever... obviously not all, but most buy secondhand.
Not referring to middle class...
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Nonsense. I keep seeing this and i just don't know where do people get that. Most lower income people buy tv's on credit from the gazillion furniture stores all over the country, some of them target exclusively lower income people. What do you think is more "affordable" for them. R1500-R2000 cash for a 2nd 32 inch tv or R160 p/m new with no deposit

Obviously whites will not be the biggest contributors with regards to licensing payments, they are what, like 10% of the population.
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Anyone with sound mind knows that. You should say that to the ones that claims the opposite. But when they're making silly claims like that, sound minds are few.
 
JustAsk said:
Nonsense. I keep seeing this and i just don't know where do people get that. Most lower income people buy tv's on credit from the gazillion furniture stores all over the country, some of them target exclusively lower income people. What do you think is more "affordable" for them. R1500-R2000 cash for a 2nd 32 inch tv or R160 p/m new with no deposit


Anyone with sound mind knows that. You should say that to the ones that claims the opposite. But when they're making silly claims like that, sound minds are few.
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Well, the lady that helps clean my house bought a bed from me for R2500, so some do have cash it seems, but yes, most that can buy on credit will buy on credit
 
If there is no TV, there will be a baby boom in 9 months time

Do you expect people to read books, or play Scrabble?
 
This was from 2017..

To figure out exactly how many people pay their TV licence in South Africa, it’s a fairly simple calculation – if the SABC billed for R1.93 billion in fees, at R265 a year, it means there are approximately 7.3 million TV households and businesses being billed.

If the SABC collected R915 million in fees, then just over 3.45 million of these households and businesses are paying up each year – only 47% of the total.

Wonder who that 3.45 million are, I know I am not one of them
 
irBosOtter said:
This was from 2017..

To figure out exactly how many people pay their TV licence in South Africa, it’s a fairly simple calculation – if the SABC billed for R1.93 billion in fees, at R265 a year, it means there are approximately 7.3 million TV households and businesses being billed.

If the SABC collected R915 million in fees, then just over 3.45 million of these households and businesses are paying up each year – only 47% of the total.

Wonder who that 3.45 million are, I know I am not one of them
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If only 3.5 million are paying what are the other 90% doing... In fact it looks like there are less people paying then there are watching the top SABC programs.
 
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