The Shaman thread

[Pitbull]

Right, lvl 61 and loving it to bits.

Been pretty confused about the whole Elemental vs Enchancement spec thing. Now as Enchancement I do pretty insane damage, massive burst damage, so bad so that I can out aggro a lvl 70 druid tank it I don't clamp down every time the Omen2 Meter flashes and makes this boom sound

Leveling is a breeze even though it takes ages from lvl 60 upwards as the XP required is insane. Each and every Shaman I come accross wants to know why I don't respec Elemental

If I want to be a caster I'll roll a Mage, if I want to be a healer I'll roll a druid or a priest. I rolled Shaman purely for the enchancement spec and it being Melee DPS (<3 melee dps )

Why o why is every one QQ'ng about the Enchancement spec ? The WoW forums are spammed with QQ'ng. Is it viable to play enchance or should I just reroll a mage now and get it over with

I don't mind to heal in a raid from time to time but i want to DPS. In our Guild there will be place for me to do both.

Anyway, can someone pls reassure me that going enchancement is not going to be a waste ?

 

[Boomrooker]

Right, lvl 61 and loving it to bits.

Been pretty confused about the whole Elemental vs Enchancement spec thing. Now as Enchancement I do pretty insane damage, massive burst damage, so bad so that I can out aggro a lvl 70 druid tank it I don't clamp down every time the Omen2 Meter flashes and makes this boom sound

Leveling is a breeze even though it takes ages from lvl 60 upwards as the XP required is insane. Each and every Shaman I come accross wants to know why I don't respec Elemental

If I want to be a caster I'll roll a Mage, if I want to be a healer I'll roll a druid or a priest. I rolled Shaman purely for the enchancement spec and it being Melee DPS (<3 melee dps )

Why o why is every one QQ'ng about the Enchancement spec ? The WoW forums are spammed with QQ'ng. Is it viable to play enchance or should I just reroll a mage now and get it over with

I don't mind to heal in a raid from time to time but i want to DPS. In our Guild there will be place for me to do both.

Anyway, can someone pls reassure me that going enchancement is not going to be a waste ?

I am gone roll a shamie too go enhancement all the way dont wana be caster dps and wear cloth till i get good mail that suck i think enhancement is the TRU shamie spec like afliction is true warlock spec.Its what makes the class alot diffrent from others.
I have seen enhancement shamies take agro off the best tanks and die fast.



Not playing much these days getting heavy lag 800-1200 ms pemanent.
Even got USB cables to put modem on the wall didnt emprove.Signal strength is full..And got the new software for 7.2

Dude what latency do you get these days with HSDPA?
Miss the days i had 350-650ms..

Really want one of each class.
Not gone bother with pvp and gear till WOTLK and till i sorted out my lag.

 

[Pitbull]

I am gone roll a shamie too go enhancement all the way dont wana be caster dps and wear cloth till i get good mail that suck i think enhancement is the TRU shamie spec like afliction is true warlock spec.Its what makes the class alot diffrent from others.
I have seen enhancement shamies take agro off the best tanks and die fast.



Not playing much these days getting heavy lag 800-1200 ms pemanent.
Even got USB cables to put modem on the wall didnt emprove.Signal strength is full..And got the new software for 7.2

Dude what latency do you get these days with HSDPA?
Miss the days i had 350-650ms..

Really want one of each class.
Not gone bother with pvp and gear till WOTLK and till i sorted out my lag.

Nothing wrong with my HSDPA.

Have you logged a request with coverage ? I think you need to get someone out there and have it tested. Just let me know if you need the number

 

[Skurm]

If I want to be a caster I'll roll a Mage, if I want to be a healer I'll roll a druid or a priest.

You can say the same for enhancement. If I want to be melee, I'd roll a rogue or warrior instead.
Of course, it's not that simple. It's a hybrid class. People go Elemental because they want to be able to cast damaging spells while still having access to heals and being able to wear mail/a shield.

People spec elemental because enhancement really is a terrible pvp spec at 70. It's great for pve and fun, but it's just otherwise bad, currently, compared to rogues/warriors, as a melee pvp choice.

I'm currently elemental PVP specced and let me tell ya, the raw burst damage the spec is capable of is insane. Elemental is nothing like a mage that relies on mobility and cc's or a warlock that relies on fears and dots and a pet. Elemental relies on throwing out a lot of damge very, very quickly, while supporting with heals and purges and interrupts in between. Same with resto - other healers jsut heal, but to be truly effective as a resto shaman you need to be constantly purging and shocking and even dps'ing when not healing.

It's a fun class to play, as a result - always something to do, and always hopping around between roles (at least in pvp). Unfortunately the tradeoffs of lack of mobility, lack of cc and lack of emergency buttons make the class bad overall for small-scale pvp. Great for BG's and 5v5 but really poor for everything else.

Anyway, can someone pls reassure me that going enchancement is not going to be a waste ?

Sorry. I'd be lying if I said so. At 70, yes, it's a waste. Raids generally only bring 1 enhance per raid, for heroics you'll get sidelined because you have no cc, the need for resto shamans is much higher overall, and enhance spec blows chunks at pvp. Maybe in Wrath things will be better but right now you're just setting yourself up for dissapointment. It's great fun from around level 40 to level 60-ish, but the closer you get to 70, the worse things become, until the day you ding the big seven zero, step into a BG and just get powned by everything including level 67 hunters in greens.

 

[Corgon]

Wow...derail more from original post boomrooker.

Back to shammies, i just started playing my shammy again last night. I have decided to to enhance, i tried out ele when i got to 70, and its not for me. Dont get me wrong it can be pretty powerful, but id rather be melee thanks.

From what i have read apparently enhance is super *** in arenas, due to the fact that you have get kited so badly..which can suck i guess.

Im currently 14k honor and 31 EOTS marks away from getting my DW PVP axes

 

[Pitbull]

You can say the same for enhancement. If I want to be melee, I'd roll a rogue or warrior instead.
Of course, it's not that simple. It's a hybrid class. People go Elemental because they want to be able to cast damaging spells while still having access to heals and being able to wear mail/a shield.

People spec elemental because enhancement really is a terrible pvp spec at 70. It's great for pve and fun, but it's just otherwise bad, currently, compared to rogues/warriors, as a melee pvp choice.

I'm currently elemental PVP specced and let me tell ya, the raw burst damage the spec is capable of is insane. Elemental is nothing like a mage that relies on mobility and cc's or a warlock that relies on fears and dots and a pet. Elemental relies on throwing out a lot of damge very, very quickly, while supporting with heals and purges and interrupts in between. Same with resto - other healers jsut heal, but to be truly effective as a resto shaman you need to be constantly purging and shocking and even dps'ing when not healing.

It's a fun class to play, as a result - always something to do, and always hopping around between roles (at least in pvp). Unfortunately the tradeoffs of lack of mobility, lack of cc and lack of emergency buttons make the class oor for small-scale pvp. Great for BG's and 5v5 but erally poor for everything else.

That's the thing, I have a Rogue and thus the reason I wanted another type of Melee DPS I doubt any other Melee DPS would be a better choice than a Shaman if I have a Rogue as a main. I highly doubt a Warrior will out DPS a Shaman, and thus the reason I rolled one

 

[Skurm]

If you have a 70 rogue i have little doubt that once you've tried pvp'ing as enhance for a bit, you'll go back to playing your rogue rather.

A warrior WILL in fact out dps a shaman, but ironically only if theres a shaman in his party putting down Windfury totem.

Look, in Wrath everything might change. Hell even Ret Paladins look like they will have imba melee dps, lets not forget Death Knights. So you have a huge choice - rogue, shammy, warrior, ret pally, death knight, feral drood. It's quite obvious that most people love melee dps.

Personally, I'd try a druid if you havent yet, if your focus is pve. They can do solid dps, can tank without a respec, are always useful to have around. Enhance shammies, OTOH, can't heal for sh_t, so all they do is DPS. They're not actually hybrids, in that sense - they can only really do 1 thing.

If melee PVP is your focus, then a warrior. Theyre really imba right now.

 

[Voicy]

Pitbull, the reason guys ask you this is because of the PvP part.

Everyone tells me to respect my combat rogue to assassin or subtlety for PvP when I hit 70. This is a waste since no matter how hard you hit - our SA pings are no match for quick casts etc. in arenas and so on...

therefore I stick to full PvE which helps in instances and questing. PvE specs on all classes do the most DPS by far, so stick to it and enjoy it!

The nice part is - everyone is PVP oriented with their specs and gear choice, leaving you as a valuable asset to instance parties.

I have a cloak in my bank with high resilience on it, i dont even bother with it and prefer my fall-damage-reducing cloak instead. No more einas when the monsters hit you into the air or when youre doing 360s off cliff edges with your sabre

play the style you enjoy most because there's ALWAYS someone bigger and better than you anyway, so why bother to impress?

 

[Boomrooker]

Nothing wrong with my HSDPA.

Have you logged a request with coverage ? I think you need to get someone out there and have it tested. Just let me know if you need the number

Soz for the derail.
Think i should replace MTN software with the frabricator software.
Will try it later.

Anyways back on topic.
Only thing that warries me about enhancement is pvp think they get kited hard.
Only thing you have is a slow totem but thats got low range.

And they own my shadow priest with ease only and hit the crap out of me.

 

[werries2]

What is said above, Enhance is good for PvE, great utility build and decent dps. Suck in PVP, unless you know how to play, (there are enhancment shamans rated over 2000 in arenas!)
Elemental, good-great in PvE, decent in PVP
Resto, Best aoe healers by a long shot (no new rank banana for wotlk so enjoy while it lasts). Real decent pvp healer.

Enhancement shamen are more gear dependant than the other two so most people will write the class off before really playing it. Same as warriors and rogues, gear scale increadibly well with shamen, with top tier gear, enhance shamen can beat similar geared elemental shamen.
Finding a raid group as an enhancement shaman aint easy though, as there are quite a few of them out there and most raid groups will only take 1 per raid to boost the melee dps group. There is almost no limit for resto shaman though as their aoe heals are really that good.
So read the comments of Enhancment shamen are a wast of time with a pinch of salt. If your good and can get the best gear, nothing should stand in your way.

 

[Pitbull]

Soz for the derail.
Think i should replace MTN software with the frabricator software.
Will try it later.

Anyways back on topic.
Only thing that warries me about enhancement is pvp think they get kited hard.
Only thing you have is a slow totem but thats got low range.

I haven't played enchancement in BG's or Arena yet, but I'm sure I can make it work if I have the correct buddy

 

[werries2]

BTW I have used a enhance shaman in my 5v5 arena group, they make great cannon fodder, and in the time the other team focus down the shaman we take down their healers. With no shaman my hunter is usualy the first target

 

[Oculate]

I love my ele shaman more than i did when i was specced enhance

Werries, a similiarly geared enhance cannot beat me

Did a heroic Arca with 2 shamans lol, me as elemental (pvp blues, 1-2 heroic epix, few kara items) and a enhance (geared with dual drakefist hammers + goose enchant with pvp and ZA gear equipment). I was 200dps ahead all the time...He must have been slacking or afk most of the run

 

[Pitbull]

BTW I have used a enhance shaman in my 5v5 arena group, they make great cannon fodder, and in the time the other team focus down the shaman we take down their healers. With no shaman my hunter is usualy the first target

With my very little experience as a Shaman I have noticed a few things.

Rogue is only better at PvP becuase of stealth

There is no class that can take down a Pala, Disp/Holy Priest or a Lock like and enchancement Shaman

Rogue is good against Locks (CoS) But really sucks agains at Priest and Palas.

I chow thru them like I do through breakfast in the morning (With the Shaman)

 

[Pitbull]

I love my ele shaman more than i did when i was specced enhance

Werries, a similiarly geared enhance cannot beat me

Did a heroic Arca with 2 shamans lol, me as elemental (pvp blues, 1-2 heroic epix, few kara items) and a enhance (geared with dual drakefist hammers + goose enchant with pvp and ZA gear equipment). I was 200dps ahead all the time...He must have been slacking or afk most of the run

I think what an Elemental spec has going for him is the Point and click like most casters do. I was in BF last night and we had a crap tank, I had to keep running after mobs all the time. Even if the tank has Full aggro he kept on moving around for some strange reason That mad my DPS drop to way below par. Casters can just stand anywhere, click and shoot .

Once this Shaman is lvl 70 I aint going to play end game, I want to get another class to 70. Trying to get as many to 70 as I can, or outlands atleast before WoTLK.

Now I have a Lock which is close to lvl 40. It will either be him, or I'll roll a mage. Still not to sure

 

[Boomrooker]

With my very little experience as a Shaman I have noticed a few things.

Rogue is only better at PvP becuase of stealth

There is no class that can take down a Pala, Disp/Holy Priest or a Lock like and enchancement Shaman

Rogue is good against Locks (CoS) But really sucks agains at Priest and Palas.

I chow thru them like I do through breakfast in the morning (With the Shaman)

Very true i saw a Full vengefull rogue lost against under geared disc priest i was supprised.

 

[Pitbull]

Very true i saw a Full vengefull rogue lost against under geared disc priest i was supprised.

Disp/Holy priests just does not die Purge FTW !

 

[Oculate]

I think what an Elemental spec has going for him is the Point and click like most casters do.

Ive even got a 70 Kara geared Arc/frost mage... but enjoy my shaman...

Seeing a triple LO proc on Chain Lightning that crits on every hit brings back the warm fuzzy feeling Windfury used to give me

 

[Voicy]

Yeh, if you can heal yourself we rogues are pretty sucky - coz we run out of energy :/

I had a lvl 66 priest take me down (lvl68) the other night AND I opened the stealth attack

Stoopid healers. They shouldnt be allowed to fear.

 

[werries2]

I love my ele shaman more than i did when i was specced enhance

Werries, a similiarly geared enhance cannot beat me

Did a heroic Arca with 2 shamans lol, me as elemental (pvp blues, 1-2 heroic epix, few kara items) and a enhance (geared with dual drakefist hammers + goose enchant with pvp and ZA gear equipment). I was 200dps ahead all the time...He must have been slacking or afk most of the run

What I ment were that a T6 geared shaman (best gear) enhancment shaman beats an elemental one. Gear scaling, higher weapon damage and stats, vs spell dmg that scale really bad.
A warrior T6 geared or Rogue T6 geared can give a mage or warlock in T6 a run for their money on single target dps. While blue dungeon geared the mage and warlock are by far better.

In T5 and MH/BT gear our enhancement shaman are doing about 1200 dps on average while the elementa does about 1100 dps. (On bosses the enhancment really pull away doing about 1500 dps compared to the 1300 dps of the elemental shaman)