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Mar 7, 2010 12:00 AM | By Karen Van Rooyen

You do not want to live on Omega Street in Pomona, Gauteng, where not a single resident along the dusty stretch of road has a telephone line that works.

Some of them are still paying Telkom for the rental of the line every month - although they have not been able to use their phones for up to three years.

After thieves stole copper cables in the Pomona, Kempton Park, area at least four times, Telkom simply refused to replace them again, declaring the area "non-viable".

The parastatal said that "copper cable theft remains the biggest inhibitor to Telkom's capability to improve service levels". Cable theft cost the company R3-billion in the three years ending in August last year .

This week, Telkom refused to answer questions relating to Pomona and would not give an indication of how many other streets and neighbourhoods were in the same boat.

Telkom said it was looking at wireless options in certain areas. But this is no comfort for Omega Street resident Sherry Manners .

She was at home one evening when her burglar alarm went off. Because she had no land line and cellphone signals are so bad in the area, she had to go outside to phone her security company - not knowing whether intruders were on the property.

"We live on plots. If you get hit on the head, how are you going to get outside so you can make a phone call?" she said.

Manners's next-door neighbour, Charles Schreiber, said it was "shocking" that they were not allowed access to such a basic communication tool. "Everything we do now is working off cellphones. We can't even get an ADSL line.

"They promised us a wireless solution but so far nothing has happened."

Schreiber said that the family had gone from having just one land line to having four cellphones. Their phone bill has jumped from R250 a month to R1000.

"I don't ever want to do business with Telkom again," he said.

Sunkist Garden Pavilion nursery owner Johan Kok has had the same land-line number for 29 years - but has had to switch to cellphones.

"The business took a knock because people couldn't get hold of us, so from a business point of view it was a nightmare," he said. "Nobody gives a damn. I won't do business with Telkom again."

Pensioner Ann Toerien said that even though she had not been able to make or receive a call in nearly two years, she still paid rent for the line every month so she would not have to re-apply for a number should Telkom ever decide to restore the service.

Manners said: "We've resigned ourselves to the fact that Telkom has abandoned us."

On the other side of town in Naturena, primary school teacher Boitumelo Letho said people had been without land lines for two years in most of her area.

She said the family had resorted to using cellphones, but had been without access to the Internet.

Telkom said: "Telkom always endeavours to restore interrupted services as expeditiously as possible. It is important, however, to note that each incident of cable theft needs to be handled uniquely."

A common problem - who do you blame?

It is easy to blame Telkom for not wanting to replace the cable for 5th time, but what is the source of the problem? Copper cable theft? The community itself? Surely someone must have witnessed something - was it reported to SAPS? What are SAPS doing? Is it an inside job? What are Telkom doing?

BTW this applies to Eskom and Transnet as well...
 
I believe this is not telkom's fault, why people are paying for services that are not working is beyond me. I can remember when my adsl line was down for 3 weeks i went into the telkom shop and they gave me a discount for the service not working. So WTF are people paying for something not working?

I do not know much about fibre or how much it costs to implement but surely 3 billion over 3 years could go into a fibre network, does telkom have any fibre? Fibre cables have no resale value do they?
 
I believe this is not telkom's fault, why people are paying for services that are not working is beyond me. I can remember when my adsl line was down for 3 weeks i went into the telkom shop and they gave me a discount for the service not working. So WTF are people paying for something not working?

I do not know much about fibre or how much it costs to implement but surely 3 billion over 3 years could go into a fibre network, does telkom have any fibre? Fibre cables have no resale value do they?

They have plenty of fibre but the "last mile" or access network is either copper or wireless. One solution is to bury the cable, but this is only temporary as they then find the manholes and simply winch the cable out! BTW if they cannot find copper they cut the fibres out of spite.

You can only make so many little Xmas trees from fibre off-cuts...
 
The solution is obviously to go the wireless route. Telkom’s wireless (HSPA) phones are affordable (free on one of the closer packages) and most residents should be happy with it. We are using it and the service is certainly good (it is however a real challenge to actually buy the service…backend system problems).

I don’t blame Telkom for not rolling out copper in these areas any longer: history has proven than the criminals will simply steal it again. I do however feel that Telkom should jack up their backend and billing systems…can’t make people pay for services they don’t receive.
 
This issue lands directly on top of our absolutely useless Ministry of Police : Mr Nathi Mthethwa.
Can throw a great party, but cannot do his job.
 
I do however feel that Telkom should jack up their backend and billing systems…can’t make people pay for services they don’t receive.

They do receive credits for periods when services are disrupted...
 
Telkom has the benefit of running a monopoly on landlines with a history of establishing their business with taxpayer money (prior to privatization). AFAIK Telkom never had to repay that investment BUT are required to provide telecommunication services to the broader community NOT based on profit margins only. However I see that Telkom are still declaring huge profits (despite being liable for large amounts of money for legal/contractual problems) so monopoly telecoms business is good in SA. Point is that they are responsible for providing certain services as was found in a court case in the Northern Cape. Start a 'class action' within the affected community and force Telkom to provide these services even if they have to provide cellular phones billed at land line costs.

I have been in a similar position where Telkom lines have been stolen almost 5 months ago and then I recently received a legal letter from Telkom threating court action if I don't pay line fees for the months without services. These I am now going to pay and then claim damages from Telkom for loss of business since it is a business line (even more expensive as Telkom claim that they provide 'better' service on business lines.) Might be a futile act but might also have some benefit.
 
Does not compute...Telkodemonopolies clearly is not going to put more copper into an area where it continually keeps getting stolen, ergo Telkodemonopolies has already made it clear that their [copper] telephone lines will not be restored again.

As for the burglar alarm story, and going outside to call the security company, get the security company to hook up a wireless transmitter to the alarm system and let the security company come out to investigate if there are burglars on the property.
They do receive credits for periods when services are disrupted...
Maybe so, but how much time [and money] does one have to waste getting through to Telkodemonopolies' Accounts Department on a cellphone for a landline one does not actually have in order to demand a refund?
 
Phoning telkom's account department is near impossible :D

Telkom shop is far better. Nice intelligent people working there.
 
The ability for alarm companies to install radios instead of using your telephone line is possible, although you have to pay a yearly licence fee for the radio.

We opted for a radio instead of using telephone lines for the alarm.
 
They have plenty of fibre but the "last mile" or access network is either copper or wireless. One solution is to bury the cable, but this is only temporary as they then find the manholes and simply winch the cable out! BTW if they cannot find copper they cut the fibres out of spite.

You can only make so many little Xmas trees from fibre off-cuts...

Don't think it's spite, its to see if its copper or fibre, this is why we need fibre! fibre! fibre!, there wont be any rewards for a thief left.
 
Does "the last mile" need to be copper? If not, surely an all-fibre area could somehow be marked and not neccessarily with words but a symbol of sorts perhaps? (like the skull and crossbones on the electrical boxes - everyone knows what that means)

Even though this is Africa, I don't see wireless as progression. If there was a way to greatly improve the wired network and at the same time letting these thieving swine know that their efforts would be fruitless, I think we'd be on the right track. It is the 21st century - even in Africa!
 
Does "the last mile" need to be copper?

No, it need not be copper. But the cost to convert an entire area to fibre is exorbitant as it is not only the cable that needs to be replaced.
 
Phoning telkom's account department is near impossible :D

Telkom shop is far better. Nice intelligent people working there.
Ummm no, I cannot say I have encountered that particular Telkodemonopolies Indirect shop so far, perhaps you can save us some time and post [-]and[/-] its general address? :p :D
The ability for alarm companies to install radios instead of using your telephone line is possible, although you have to pay a yearly licence fee for the radio.

We opted for a radio instead of using telephone lines for the alarm.
True, but the annual licence fee is far less than what one pays Telkodemonopolies to rent a copper line.
Don't think it's spite, its to see if its copper or fibre, this is why we need fibre! fibre! fibre!, there wont be any rewards for a thief left.
Don't underestimate the depravity of criminals.
Does "the last mile" need to be copper? If not, surely an all-fibre area could somehow be marked and not neccessarily with words but a symbol of sorts perhaps? (like the skull and crossbones on the electrical boxes - everyone knows what that means)

Even though this is Africa, I don't see wireless as progression. If there was a way to greatly improve the wired network and at the same time letting these thieving swine know that their efforts would be fruitless, I think we'd be on the right track. It is the 21st century - even in Africa!
As before, if criminals cannot get hold of copper, they will destroy whatever they can lay their grubby hands on.
 
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A common problem - who do you blame?

It is easy to blame Telkom for not wanting to replace the cable for 5th time, but what is the source of the problem? Copper cable theft? The community itself? Surely someone must have witnessed something - was it reported to SAPS? What are SAPS doing? Is it an inside job? What are Telkom doing?

BTW this applies to Eskom and Transnet as well...

The solution is quite simple really. Vote for a party that is going to deal with crime.
 
No, it need not be copper. But the cost to convert an entire area to fibre is exorbitant as it is not only the cable that needs to be replaced.

More exorbitant than Telkom's prices services vs. what we get? Sorry, not arguing but we seem to pay through our noses anyway. Why can we not have a great infrastructure? (I typed that while trying not to laugh but seriously) Surely they (T-scum) would benefit in the long run?

As before, if criminals cannot get hold of copper, they will destroy whatever they can lay their grubby hands on.

I was hoping we could get to the when-my-grandfather-used-to-steal-copper-but-then-they-fibre-cabled-EVERYTHING kind of stage. :p Oh well. A guy can only dream, I guess.
 
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