The Syrian Conflict Thread

[falcon786]

Just how does oil come into the equation ?

1+1=2

We all know that America took over iraq to get the oil since saddam stopped being their ally and jumping to their tune,there were no WOMD's.That was a lie to get to the oil.

This situation however seems different though and for once I want the Americans to help Syria out.It would be the right thing to do and Syria doesn't have much oil etc for anyone to point fingers.Its good to see washington taking the situation more seriously in recent days.Action is needed against Assad and arming the rebels would probably be the best way rather than an invasion.

 

[killadoob]

So wait a second the turkish army find conclusive evidence the rebels are using sarin gas but now the US has conclusive proof assad is using it?

How? The turks want assad gone, mobile wmd trucks all over again and people will just believe without questioning it while ignoring evidence from the turks. they will buy into it again. Honestly if people believe this BS there is no hope. Assad is no angel but the turks have actual evidence of sarin gas usage by the rebels but the US claim they have conclusive evidence on assad. Who is checking this conclusive proof? I guess people just believe as usual.

Another dodgy agent fooling the entire american army again? Then they can say o we got wrong intel. Israel better be prepared to move into syria and fk those rebels up as soon as assad falls. Go in and ensure the rebels don't get the chemical weapons because the rebels/al queda will hit israel with them. For once i am hoping the israeli army is ready to pounce as soon as the US assist the rebels and remove assad. Attack syria and kill those al queda backed rebels and any other rebels who do not agree to put their weapons down. Radical people will attack israel.

This time the US are really screwing israel but i know they are prepared because they know the rebels are radical.

 

[Alan]

1+1=2

We all know that America took over iraq to get the oil since Saddam stopped being their ally and jumping to their tune,there were no WOMD's.That was a lie to get to the oil.

We do? The oil contracts that were then sold by Iraq to major Russian and Chinese companies :erm:

Last time I checked Saddam stopped "jumping to their tune" in the 80s. These yanks sure do take their time.

This situation however seems different though and for once I want the Americans to help Syria out.It would be the right thing to do and Syria doesn't have much oil etc for anyone to point fingers.Its good to see washington taking the situation more seriously in recent days.Action is needed against Assad and arming the rebels would probably be the best way rather than an invasion.

So it was not okay to free Shiites from Saddam's brutal regime but if it's Sunnis on the receiving end the U.S must get involved?

By the way where abouts are the gushing oil wells in Afghanistan?

Britons fighting with Syria's jihadi 'band of brothers'

 

[killadoob]

Alan can you answer why the turkish evidence showing the rebels using sarin gas has beenn ignored while the word of some random people has convinced the US assad is using chemical weapons?

Let's say both parties are, what then?

 

[Grant]

1+1=2

We all know that America took over iraq to get the oil since saddam stopped being their ally and jumping to their tune,there were no WOMD's.That was a lie to get to the oil.

""We all"" ??
Define "We all".


Certain groups conveniently forget that Canada, Mexico & Venezuela export exponentially more oil to the usa than Iraq - yet no wars between the USA & those countries. Then of course is Angola and other suppliers - again no war.
So, if it's all about the oil, why no war with the others ?

 

[Alan]

Alan can you answer why the turkish evidence showing the rebels using sarin gas has beenn ignored while the word of some random people has convinced the US assad is using chemical weapons?

Let's say both parties are, what then?

Dunno haven't seen the evidence. All I know is the Obamasiah would never lie like a neo-con :erm:

 

[Lightscribe]

1+1=2

We all know that America took over iraq to get the oil since saddam stopped being their ally and jumping to their tune,there were no WOMD's.That was a lie to get to the oil.

This situation however seems different though and for once I want the Americans to help Syria out.It would be the right thing to do and Syria doesn't have much oil etc for anyone to point fingers.Its good to see washington taking the situation more seriously in recent days.Action is needed against Assad and arming the rebels would probably be the best way rather than an invasion.

WTFU...Iraq had WMDs. https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629

End of story.

Yes, I also pointed out that the US should help the rebels...

 

[killadoob]

Dunno haven't seen the evidence. All I know is the Obamasiah would never lie like a neo-con :erm:

Turkey don't like assad but they found rebels using with sarin gas, google it. Fact

Obama is basing the chemical use on what alan? WMD trucks again? They not yellow, assad was clever and used brown and green trucks.

Arming rebels who were caught by turkey using sarin gas, sounds like something the US would do. Alan do you know turkey dislike assad? do you know they found rebels with chemical weapons? So in theory they should cover it up but they are not like the US who would ignore it and have ignored the evidence.

Obama says assad has used chemical weapons and mentioned absolutely nothing about the rebels who were caught by an anti assad country who were decent enough to actually let people know the rebels are using chemical weapons. Obama/america once again are using lies to get a regime change that will be more than likely be radical and attack israel.

I can bet lightscribe has no issue with the rebels using chemical weapons and were caught by turkey who are anti assad. He will however believe the US when they say assad has used chemical weapons without even wondering what they base that conclusion on.

Faith is fine for religion but having faith in a Country who are known to lie and fake stories to get wars is just ignorant and absolutely ridiculous. I have no issues if the US show me proof and someone has actually ensured the info is legit, then i would even support a full scale invasion but thus far the rebels are the ones were caught with chemical weapons and turkey have proof.

Really amazing that people believe the US who have no proof over turkey who have proof of chemical usage by the rebels, al queda backed rebels. Isn't there a red line for rebels or can they use chemical weapons? Is it acceptable because certain folks want assad gone only to be replaced by people who are using chemical weapons. Typically american

No wonder israel are preparing for a chemical attack and preparing to invade syria if assad falls. Iran is ready to send 5000 troops into syria. Should get interesting, russia will block the no fly zone, so we got hezbollah(terrorists) fighting with syrian forces, rebels back by al queda(terrorists) backed by the Nato okes who are fighting a war on terror but they are about to supply terrorists and now 5000 iranian troops are ready to be sent in.Interesting. Fascinating that the US has a red line for syria but the rebels have no line hahaha. Typical double standard.

Long post.

 

[Lightscribe]

I don't like that either side uses chemical weapons. The USA is helping the rebels, since the rebels are considered to be on the side of the people of Syria and the AE states have endorsed the rebels. Basically, everyone is helping the rebels, whilst Russia Hezbollah and Iran are helping Assad. Israel and the USA are obviously as prepared as they can be, whatever scenario unfolds.

Stop stressing so much that you repeat things. This is simply another Arab spring situation, with the associated unknowns, regarding the future government of Syria. I simply hope that as many jihadists as possible, are swallowed up in this war...which won't finish with the establishment of the new rebel government.

I would not be surprised to see an Afghanistan like situation develop, where Iran and Hezbolla wage constant war, against the rebel government and constant coups become the standard.

 

[killadoob]

Russia are not convinced the US have evidence that assad used chemical weapons, nobody is actually i think even US supporters doubt it due to the lie in iraq. They surely cannot fool people again using the same excuse, although they are the good guys so i guess why not use chemical weapons as an excuse yet again to get involved.

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-moscow-692/
nobody likes rt even though they won the best news channel award, i could be mistaken but i am too tired to google that so i will just link something else.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemic...r-further-us-aggression-against-syria/5339238

The US Government is claiming it has definitive ‘evidence’ to prove the Assad Government has used chemical weapons (CW) “against its own people”.

As definitive as wmd trucks i wonder? I suppose they think people are so stupid they will fall for the same lies(possible lies as i don't know if assad has used them but he is not stupid so i highly doubt he has). Assad knows even russia would turn their back on assad if he used chemical weapons, he seems like a fairly intelligent man so why would he use chemical weapons knowing it would mean intervention and russia would support the intervention along with china.

 

[killadoob]

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=9733

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Wait the taliban are buddies with al queda, the same people who helped bin laden pull off 911. Yea let's give these people access to chemical weapons because assad is way more threatening, wait when did syria launch chemical weapons at israel? when did they threaten to do it?

Ok so assad is not radical or he would have tried to hit israel(chemical weapons), let's remove him and let a radical al queda rebel group take over and israel prefer that? Am i the only one who finds it odd al queda are preferred to assad?

 

[killadoob]

So glad to have read this morning that obama and putin are talking about this issue and obama has seemingly realized how present al queda are within syria, up to 10000 troops.

Don't give Syria to fking alqueda obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the first US president to use his brain. Israel need to stop saying they would prefer a terror group to run syria or the people of israel, jews(not just jews in israel i am not going to list other people as i don't know what else makes up the population) whoever else lives there need to march to ensure al queda do not get hold syria.

So happy to hear obama is having second thoughts. Putin may talk some sense into him and cameron because al queda do not discriminate they just kill whoever they like or think should die and it is mostly civilians. these are not people who can run a country and possibly get chemical weapons.

http://rt.com/news/putin-obama-syria-talks-838/

Thank goodness obama is not into the bush mentality, bush would have armed a terror group without even considering possibilities down the line. Chemical weapons in car bombs, won't be a fun time for countries who get targeted and israel need to think about attacking syria but getting rid of the rebels because they have an agreement with assad that he hold elections, step down and be free to live in iran.

Then israel can go in destroy the al queda rebels and help syria while ensuring they are protected from a terror group. That is what i would do if i was israel because the people of israel need protection from car bombs and suicide bombers, all innocent people do but helping assad will actually help stabilize syria and bring peace. Al queda want chaos and war, thank goodness assad has done so well and thank goodness hezbollah has come to help assad. I am not a fan of the regime in charge of israel but i do not want to see the israeli population suffer the kind of things that the iraq population is facing.

 

[Haldex]

So Assad is fighting AlQueda rebels and not his own people?

 

[Lightscribe]

So glad to have read this morning that obama and putin are talking about this issue and obama has seemingly realized how present al queda are within syria, up to 10000 troops.

Don't give Syria to fking alqueda obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the first US president to use his brain. Israel need to stop saying they would prefer a terror group to run syria or the people of israel, jews(not just jews in israel i am not going to list other people as i don't know what else makes up the population) whoever else lives there need to march to ensure al queda do not get hold syria.

So happy to hear obama is having second thoughts. Putin may talk some sense into him and cameron because al queda do not discriminate they just kill whoever they like or think should die and it is mostly civilians. these are not people who can run a country and possibly get chemical weapons.

http://rt.com/news/putin-obama-syria-talks-838/

Thank goodness obama is not into the bush mentality, bush would have armed a terror group without even considering possibilities down the line. Chemical weapons in car bombs, won't be a fun time for countries who get targeted and israel need to think about attacking syria but getting rid of the rebels because they have an agreement with assad that he hold elections, step down and be free to live in iran.

Then israel can go in destroy the al queda rebels and help syria while ensuring they are protected from a terror group. That is what i would do if i was israel because the people of israel need protection from car bombs and suicide bombers, all innocent people do but helping assad will actually help stabilize syria and bring peace. Al queda want chaos and war, thank goodness assad has done so well and thank goodness hezbollah has come to help assad. I am not a fan of the regime in charge of israel but i do not want to see the israeli population suffer the kind of things that the iraq population is facing.

The Islamic radicals are some of the most mobile, best trained, most experienced fighters on the planet. Israel is not going to go and just capture or kill them as if it's a walk in the park...

Israel has measures in place, as shown earlier in this thread, for when the rebels take over, to confiscate or destroy, the chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria.

Also shown in this thread, is that al queda has already got chemical weapons. The USA and others are simply looking at supplying small arms and air cover, which is merely a no fly zone, at the border outposts for rebels.

BTW, Obama seemed to be stuttering a lot, with putin sitting next to him...

So Assad is fighting AlQueda rebels and not his own people?

Killa thinks it's ok for the people of Syria, to carry on suffering under Assad, which will simply extend the duration of this particular conflict, since that seems less of a risk to the region.

 

[thestaggy]

So Assad is fighting AlQueda rebels and not his own people?

Assad is fighting his own people, but just like in Libya, once the chaos escalated every other group with an agenda got involved. What you have to hope is that Al Qaeda does not establish itself as the major player. Analysts believed Al Qaeda got involved in Libya for two reasons; one was to secure advanced weapons (Libya had some decent kit if viewed from the eyes of an informal military organisation and a lot of it is still lying around) and the other was to secure a base of operations. The same may apply in Syria. There are weapons to be had and bases to establish.

 

[Haldex]

Assad is fighting his own people, but just like in Libya, once the chaos escalated every other group with an agenda got involved. What you have to hope is that Al Qaeda does not establish itself as the major player. Analysts believed Al Qaeda got involved in Libya for two reasons; one was to secure advanced weapons (Libya had some decent kit if viewed from the eyes of an informal military organisation and a lot of it is still lying around) and the other was to secure a base of operations. The same may apply in Syria. There are weapons to be had and bases to establish.

You can't compare it to Libya.
Libya was quick, the government only started firing on civilians after NATO got involved.
Perhaps in the aftermath of US supplied weapons and training. But i doubt it was al queda linked.
The length of the Syrian conflict seem to be inspired by terrorist cells, I doubt the rebels are local Syrians.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

You can't compare it to Libya.
Libya was quick, the government only started firing on civilians after NATO got involved.
Perhaps in the aftermath of US supplied weapons and training. But i doubt it was al queda linked.
The length of the Syrian conflict seem to be inspired by terrorist cells, I doubt the rebels are local Syrians.

There might be many non-Syrians involved, but the vast majority are Syrians. There are also non-Syrians fighting on the regime's behalf, namely Hezbollah.

 

[killadoob]

Assad is fighting his own people, but just like in Libya, once the chaos escalated every other group with an agenda got involved. What you have to hope is that Al Qaeda does not establish itself as the major player. Analysts believed Al Qaeda got involved in Libya for two reasons; one was to secure advanced weapons (Libya had some decent kit if viewed from the eyes of an informal military organisation and a lot of it is still lying around) and the other was to secure a base of operations. The same may apply in Syria. There are weapons to be had and bases to establish.

Staggy i love it when you climb into a debate, look at za1 all he does rofl and lol. you always have an interesting view point which i love.

assad though isn't fighting his own people, majority of the fighters are outside forces and yes some may be syrians but for the most part he is fighting people who don't care about the people of syria, they just want power and an easy access route to iran. I think the western powers thought this would easy, bomb assad and and remove him but russia and china saw what happened in libya and blocked it so assad is actually doing extremely well which i would have expected, plus he has hezhollah fighting with him and iranian forces ready to go in.

Glad you also think al queda are dangerous and arming the al nusra would basically be arming al queda, considering the free syrian army soldiers are moving to al nusra it looks like there will be one major force/opposition fighting assad. It scares me to think al queda could get their hands on chemical weapons though, we know without a doubt they kill for fun and wow chemical weapons in the hands of a terror group that would undoubtedly use them.

Glad there are some folks here that can debate properly.

haldex syria was suppose to be the same as libya, no fly zone. Russia and china blocked it.

staggy how come turkey who are now threatening to bring the army in to sort out the protestors have avoided any sort of intervention? libya was instant and syria was instant. Yet turkey who are doing the exact same thing, i guess it's the double standard in play again, turkey pro west so it is not an issue.

Staggy i can't see how the US could possibly arm al nusra now that they have aligned with al queda and the free syrian army are losing members and not capable of fighting like al nusra so do you see the US arming them? I don't see it, i can't see how assad can be toppled without the west getting troops into syria or bombing the shyte out of syria. Can you see a way to topple assad without western intervention(not arming the rebels but proper war as in planes, tanks and group troops).

staggy another question, who would question the US who declared war on terror arming a terror group? Can they really claim to be at war against terror if they arm an al queda based rebel group?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

assad though isn't fighting his own people, majority of the fighters are outside forces and yes some may be syrians but for the most part he is fighting people who don't care about the people of syria, they just want power and an easy access route to iran.

BS. Do you think they just snuck in an army and no one noticed? The Free Syrian Army, Syrian National Council, Syrian Islamic Liberation Front, and the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces isn't made up of Syrians in the majority? lol.

And do you think Assad cares about the people of Syria? This whole thing started because he butchered protesters.

The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces has been recognised by more than a 100 countries as the sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people. The Syrian National Council has also been granted a seat in the Arab League so as to represent the Syrian people.

 

[killadoob]

look i will just concede that syrian people are now highly skilled and got their arms from libya, no one outside of libya came to fight and no one outside syria gave the rebels some weapons. I honestly cannot say how many fighters in al nusra for instance are syrian people so i cannot argue because i don't know how many outside forces have come in and i am not sure where all the weapons came from or how the syrian people became so skilled so quickly. I do know al nusra are extremely skilled fighters but they are radical which is not good, how many are syrian people not sure. So i won't tune BS when i am not 100% certain. Not sure how you can know for sure but you seem to know for certain so i will just let it go.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/26/syrian-opposition-appeals-nato-support

What does it mean to have a seat in the arab league? Not sure what your point is, the UN refuses to recognize any group and that i think that means more than a seat at the arab league. As far as the UN are concerned assad is the leader of syria and stupidly the rebels have killed innocent people, been caught with sarin gas and the rebel groups are not fighting as one. Add into al queda now becoming more and more present in syria it seems unlikely the rebels can be recognized by the UN. Putin is the one who is ensuring that the western powers think and ensure they do not arm radical groups who are anti israel and hate the US. The free syrian leader said live on aljazeera they will not be friends of israel.

Why do you think israel are preparing for the fall of assad, they are not certain the new leaders will be as calm as assad was, they could be extremely radical and they could get chemical weapons. Israel are ready for it though and they should be because al nusra taking control would mean al queda have a new home and a new place to regroup. The syrian people will not be better off with a radical power in place. That is how i see it though. Just my opinion and i am by means claiming i am right orbital so chill and just put your opinion across, i am not the same as i was before, i am changing the way approach debates. So realize my opinion is by no means the only possibility.