The Syrian Conflict Thread

Are you feeling ok?

I haven't commented on what Ban Ki-Moon might be thinking or saying, I have only been discussing the obvious mock-up (aka fake) letter from the UN that comrade snoopingdog posted.

Do I need to take things one step at a time here? The letter (fake or not) references an article in which a US outlet claims Ban Ki-Moon blames Russia for Syria.

You are seemingly trying to discredit the letter, with what intent? Discredited letter = the FT was correct = Ban Ki-Moon really does blame Russia?

Well sorry, no, he patently does not blame Russia, in fact he is more critical of the US approach to date. So call the letter fake, it does not matter, what the FT published was clearly a lie regardless.
 
Do I need to take things one step at a time here? The letter (fake or not) references an article in which a US outlet claims Ban Ki-Moon blames Russia for Syria.

You are seemingly trying to discredit the letter, with what intent? Discredited letter = the FT was correct = Ban Ki-Moon really does blame Russia?

Well sorry, no, he patently does not blame Russia, in fact he is more critical of the US approach to date. So call the letter fake, it does not matter, what the FT published was clearly a lie regardless.

Why do you find it so hard to understand that I can have a discussion about a letter that appears to be faked without actually discussing the facts surrounding the letter? I'm not all that interested in the opinion of Ban Ki-Moon, the UN have been pretty useless at conflict resolution.

Ban Ki-Moon could call Assad a devil (or a god) and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to the situation.
 
On the last page he made a number of posts that would constitute to lifting multiple fingers to uncover the truth. Perhaps you missed those posts.

I saw some references made to the font type / typewriter style, a letterhead and picking on a phone number that is incorrect. While that could be perceived as trying to ascertain the validity of a letter it isn't exactly solid evidence, and does not address the allegations made in said letter at all.

I may have missed even earlier posts than those perhaps?
 
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Why do you find it so hard to understand that I can have a discussion about a letter that appears to be faked without actually discussing the facts surrounding the letter? I'm not all that interested in the opinion of Ban Ki-Moon, the UN have been pretty useless at conflict resolution.

Ban Ki-Moon could call Assad a devil (or a god) and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to the situation.

Fair enough, I made an assumption that your quick dismissal is indicative of a general trend of many, many that dismiss anything that dares question the mighty mass media.

If you say it isn't so I cannot disagree.
 

Major powers agreed on Friday to a pause in combat in Syria, but Russia pressed on with bombing in support of its ally President Bashar al-Assad, who vowed to fight until he regained full control of the country.

So for those allergic to RT, no worries, ignore anything they say in this clip, only focus on what Kerry says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiWUUo9wTcw

He clearly says the ceasefire is targeted to be implemented a week from now, he also says it applies to all parties in Syria "with the exception of Daesh and al-Nusra and any other terrorist organization designated by the security council"

So Russia, and the US and anyone else for that matter is free to continue to bomb whoever the hell they please for another week, and thereafter they are still free to bomb "Daesh and al-Nusra and any other terrorist organization designated by the security council"

Yet Reuters somehow chooses to indicate surprise at Russian bombs still falling when it is 100% in accordance with the agreement?!? :wtf:
 
I saw some references made to the font type / typewriter style, a letterhead and picking on a phone number that is incorrect. While that could be perceived as trying to ascertain the validity of a letter it isn't exactly solid evidence, and does not address the allegations made in said letter at all.

I may have missed even earlier posts than those perhaps?

Regardless of the solidity of his claims, saying he hasn't lifted a finger is simply untrue.
 
Regardless of the solidity of his claims, saying he hasn't lifted a finger is simply untrue.
How about someone address the FT's blatant lying, then?

Or is it just the Russians who get admonished for such behaviour?
 
YPG and ISIS will continue the was anyway. This pause is bull****. Kurds and ISIS were not part of the deal and they own more than 50% of Syrian territory today
 
YPG and ISIS will continue the was anyway. This pause is bull****. Kurds and ISIS were not part of the deal and they own more than 50% of Syrian territory today

The peace deal is not for ISIS, i mean why would it be? No terrorist group is part of the peace process and hostilities will continue with them until they are defeated.
 
How about someone address the FT's blatant lying, then?

If there was a link to the actual article so it could be read I'm sure more people might have an opinion. The link a page ago just says:

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So at the moment, it's hard to really say much more.

I would add, I think almost everyone knows newspapers like to sensationalise things, it's why I don't usually believe stories with a single source...
 
If there was a link to the actual article so it could be read I'm sure more people might have an opinion. The link a page ago just says:

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So at the moment, it's hard to really say much more.

I would add, I think almost everyone knows newspapers like to sensationalise things, it's why I don't usually believe stories with a single source...
Well, there's sensationalism, and then there's propaganda.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/02feb2e6-cc0c-11e5-be0b-b7ece4e953a0.html
In carefully chosen words, Mr Ban warned that Russia and Syria were not being “faithful” in implementing UN Security Council Resolution 2254 adopted in December. The resolution, passed by unanimous vote, called for an end to indiscriminate bombing of civilians and measures to implement a nationwide ceasefire.
Does that look like a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth to you or not?
 
Your link also goes to the paywall. Have you got a link to the actual speech? I've tried a search of the UN site, and still can't find it.

Use the headline "Ban blames Russia for collapse of Syria talks" and search through google. Just click the first link and you will bypass the paywall.
 
Use the headline "Ban blames Russia for collapse of Syria talks" and search through google. Just click the first link and you will bypass the paywall.

Thanks, I had tried that without success earlier on the iPad, tried in a different browser and it worked this time. Still doesn't help as other than a handful of words it doesn't report Ban Ki-Moons actual speech. Has it been reported verbatim anywhere you've seen?
 
Thanks, I had tried that without success earlier on the iPad, tried in a different browser and it worked this time. Still doesn't help as other than a handful of words it doesn't report Ban Ki-Moons actual speech. Has it been reported verbatim anywhere you've seen?

What speech? According to the article his comments were made in an interview with FT.
 
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gn-moderate-Syrian-oppostion-White-House.html

President Barack Obama has told Vladimir Putin to end airstrikes against the Syrian opposition.
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Major powers agreed on Friday to a limited cessation of hostilities in Syria but the deal does not take effect until the end of this week and was not signed by any warring parties - the Damascus government and numerous rebel factions fighting it.
Russian bombing raids directed at rebel groups are meanwhile helping the Syrian army to achieve what could be its biggest victory of the war in the battle for Aleppo, the country's largest city and commercial hub before the conflict.

The situation has been complicated by the involvement of Kurdish-backed combatants in the area north of Aleppo near the Turkish border, which has drawn a swift military response from artillery in Turkey.

The Kurdish YPG militia, helped by Russian air raids, seized an ex-military air base at Menagh last week, angering Turkey, which sees the YPG as an extension of the PKK, a Kurdish group that waged a bloody insurgent campaign on Turkish soil over most of the past three decades.

Turkey began shelling while demanding that the YPG militia withdraw from areas it has captured from Syrian rebels in the northern Aleppo region in recent days, including the Menagh air base. The bombardment killed two YPG fighters, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

Bold type added for comic relief, like anyone in this situation "tells" anyone else what to do :D ...

But hey Obama, how's about chatting to your NATO ally Turkey rather who seems hell bent on invading another sovereign state unprovoked?!? :wtf:
 
Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/sy...tion-.aspx?pageID=238&nid=95160&NewsCatID=352

Syria's government on Feb. 14 condemned Turkey for two days of shelling targeting mainly Kurdish forces in the northern province of Aleppo and urged the United Nations to act, state media said.

It also accused Turkey of allowing gunmen and weaponry to enter Syria from the Bab al-Salama crossing into Aleppo province, where government forces have recently launched a major campaign.

"The foreign ministry strongly condemns the repeated Turkish crimes and attacks against the Syrian people and Syria's territorial integrity," state news agency SANA reported.

The ministry called on the UN Security Council to "put an end to the crimes of the Turkish regime," SANA added.

Unfortunately it seems very much like the situation is about to get worse ...
 
What speech? According to the article his comments were made in an interview with FT.

So why are the pro-Russian gang getting their pants in a twist? Having read the article again he seems to be upset by civilian casualties (understandable sentiment) and isn't all that anti Russian in what he says.

What a waste of time and effort the crap of the dog has caused.

Storm in tea cup methinks...
 
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