The Syrian Conflict Thread

[NarrowBandFtw]

no, the real headline remains:
Air strikes on Aleppo hospital kill doctors and children

Granted (no pun intended), I was actually thinking about the introductory paragraphs more than the headline, every article points the finger at Syria to some extent yet nobody has any solid proof, in fact all they have are second hand accounts that contradict each other.

 

[Grant]

Granted (no pun intended), I was actually thinking about the introductory paragraphs more than the headline, every article points the finger at Syria to some extent yet nobody has any solid proof, in fact all they have are second hand accounts that contradict each other.

yea, i think it's a little early in the day to be blaming anyone at this point

 

[Grant]

Syria: Under Russia's fist - People & Power (video)

interesting short documentary following the "white helmets", a civilian rescue group in aleppo.

Since September 30, 2015 Russia has been carrying out air strikes in Syria in support of its ally President Bashar al-Assad. The campaign has been relentless and growing in intensity, with Russian jets flying 444 combat sorties against more than 1,500 targets between February 10 and 16 alone.

Moscow insists these attacks have only been aimed at fighters from ISIL and other "terrorist groups" such as al-Nusra Front. But monitoring groups, including the Violations Documentation Center and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, say thousands of non-combatants have also been killed or wounded. Amnesty International and others have said the bombings may be war crimes. Indeed, Amnesty has also cited consistent reports of second bombardments from planes returning to kill and injure rescue workers, paramedics and civilians attempting to evacuate the wounded and the dead from earlier raids.

So are civilians being deliberately targeted - and could Russia be guilty as charged? In this exclusive report for People & Power, Danish born filmmaker and journalist Nagieb Khaja went to investigate. His remarkable film, shot in Aleppo, Idlib and other rebel-held areas of Syria at the end of last year, is a harrowing, tense and at times breathtaking portrayal of life underneath the Kremlin's bombs.

[video=youtube;Mtyk0f_8AfI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtyk0f_8AfI[/video]

 

[Dave]

This morning it was too early to apportion blame for the bombing, this afternoon it's Russian bombing war crimes?

I'm presuming the Syrians, Turks, US, France, UK, Jordan and every other Air Force in the area is only dropping fluffy pillows?

 

[Noah]

This morning it was too early to apportion blame for the bombing, this afternoon it's Russian bombing war crimes?

I'm presuming the Syrians, Turks, US, France, UK, Jordan and every other Air Force in the area is only dropping fluffy pillows?

Yeah I'm waiting for info on

Who was flying in the area.
Was the hospital marked.
Was the location of the hospital relayed to all active parties.
What parties are fighting in the area.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Well, on the upside, whoever is found guilty (if that ever happens) can always just claim it was a mistake:
US: Strike on Afghanistan MSF hospital not a war crime
Pentagon investigation says strike on MSF clinic, which killed 42 people, was a mistake and therefore not a war crime.

Not sure how multiple passes and a 2 or more minute long pummeling by an AC-130 can ever be accidental, but there you go, the accused has investigated itself and cleared itself of any war crimes ...

 

[Grant]

This morning it was too early to apportion blame for the bombing, this afternoon it's Russian bombing war crimes?

I'm presuming the Syrians, Turks, US, France, UK, Jordan and every other Air Force in the area is only dropping fluffy pillows?

you can safely exclude everyone but russia and syria.
remember, russia went to extraordinary lengths to secure the air space above syria ensuring nobody could venture in.
eg:

Russia’s Air Force has secured Syrian airspace with air defense missile systems that were delivered and deployed into the war-torn country along with other military hardware, its chief has revealed in an interview..
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https://www.rt.com/news/320909-russian-air-defense-syria/

 

[Dave]

you can safely exclude everyone but russia and syria.
remember, russia went to extraordinary lengths to secure the air space above syria ensuring nobody could venture in.

Has anyone told the Americans?

April 29, 2016 Update - Coalition military forces conducted six strikes using attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets. Near Ar Raqqah, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed two ISIL vehicles. Near Mar’a, five strikes struck five separate ISIL tactical units and destroyed six ISIL fighting positions, four ISIL mortar positions, and an ISIL vehicle.

April 28, 2016 - On April 27, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted seven strikes using attack and ground-attack aircraft against ISIL targets. Additionally in Iraq, Coalition military forces conducted 15 strikes coordinated with and in support of the Government of Iraq using bomber, ground-attack, and fighter aircraft against ISIL targets.

April 26, 2016 - On April 25, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted seven strikes using attack, fighter, and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.

April 25, 2016 - On April 24, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted three strikes using attack and ground-attack aircraft against ISIL targets.

April 24, 2016 - On April 23, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted four strikes using attack aircraft against ISIL targets.

April 23, 2016 - On April 22, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted 10 strikes using attack, fighter, and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.

April 22, 2016 - On April 21, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted seven strikes using attack, fighter, and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.

It keeps going, day by day as far back as you want to go...

http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve

 

[Unhappy438]

Has anyone told the Americans?

Obviously they fly over Syria but are any of those in Aleppo?

 

[Noah]

Obviously they fly over Syria but are any of those in Aleppo?

[video=youtube;XssNHZRVrqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XssNHZRVrqU[/video]

 

[Dave]

Obviously they fly over Syria but are any of those in Aleppo?

The details are in the link, I didn't care enough to read any further as I was only answering @grantza who had said the US + coalition allies weren't flying missions over Syria.

 

[Grant]

Has anyone told the Americans?
It keeps going, day by day as far back as you want to go...

ok, well i have to assume you are blissfully unaware, but an agreement was reached between russia and america regards airspace some time back, after the russian intervention began.
america (according to your quotes) is mainly making use of drones, the airspace above devastated cities (homs & aleppo for example) is the domain of russian and syrian jets - so yes coalition forces can be safely excluded from the list of suspects responsible for the attack on the hospital - in aleppo.

that being said, did you not perhaps notice the constant in all those quotes you included - specifically the target, the same one that appears in each and every quote you used ?

 

[Noah]

ok, well i have to assume you are blissfully unaware, but an agreement was reached between russia and america regards airspace some time back.

Does this agreement encompass all of Syria? No.
Does it include Aleppo? as shown in the video I provided, No.

 

[Grant]

Does this agreement encompass all of Syria? No.

Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said the text of the deal would remain secret at Moscow's request,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34588286
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...gn-memorandum-on-flights-over-syria/74279956/

Does it include Aleppo? as shown in the video I provided, No.

what is even in that video besides a whole lot of allahu akbar-ing and an invisible plane in the sky ?
you speak arabic ?

 

[Unhappy438]

The details are in the link, I didn't care enough to read any further as I was only answering @grantza who had said the US + coalition allies weren't flying missions over Syria.

Where on that page will i find the daily briefings please?

 

[Noah]

what is even in that video besides a whole lot of allahu akbar-ing and an invisible plane in the sky ?
you speak arabic ?

Nice video skipping nerd.

 

[Dave]

that being said, did you not perhaps notice the constant in all those quotes you included - specifically the target, the same one that appears in each and every quote you used ?

You didn't notice that all the countries are "bombing ISIL" even the Russians if you see their press releases...

 

[Dave]

Where on that page will i find the daily briefings please?

Sorry, should have said, click on the map "Syria" and then the blue bar "View information on previous airstrikes"

View attachment 359156

 

[Unhappy438]

Sorry, should have said, click on the map "Syria" and then the blue bar "View information on previous airstrikes"

Thanks, i've listed recent entries herewith

Separately, on October 15 near Aleppo, Syria, U.S. military forces conducted one airstrike against a network of veteran al Qa'ida operatives, sometimes called the "Khorasan Group," who are plotting external attacks against the United States and our allies. The airstrike destroyed a vehicle. This strike was previously reported as an ISIL strike

SOUTHWEST ASIA, October 18, 2015 - On Oct. 17, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted five strikes using remotely piloted and fighter aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 18 strikes coordinated with and in support of the Government of Iraq using bomber, fighter, attack, ground-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Abu Kamal, two strikes destroyed two separate ISIL crude oil collection points.
- Near Aleppo, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit, destroyed an ISIL tactical vehicle, and neutralized an ISIL tactical vehicle.
- Near Ar Raqqah, two strikes damaged an ISIL artillery piece.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, October 16, 2015 - On Oct. 15, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted three strikes using remotely piloted and fighter aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 21 strikes coordinated with and in support of the Government of Iraq using bomber, fighter, attack, ground-attack, remotely piloted aircraft, and rocket artillery against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Aleppo, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL vehicle.
- Near Washiyah, one strike struck an ISIL improvised explosive device cluster.
- Near Mar’a, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL motorcycle.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 28, 2015 - On Aug. 27, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted seven airstrikes using bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 13 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Aleppo, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit.
- Near Ar Raqqah, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit and an ISIL checkpoint.
- Near Al Hasakah, one airstrike struck an ISIL ant-aircraft artillery piece.
- Near Kobani, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit.
- Near Washiyah, three airstrikes struck one large and two small ISIL tactical units and destroyed an ISIL vehicle.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 20, 2015 - – On Aug. 19, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted eight airstrikes using bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 21 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter and fighter- attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
“Coalition airstrikes decimated Daesh fighters last night in the vicinity of the Bayji oil refinery,” said Brig. Gen. Kevin Killea, chief of staff, CJTF-OIR. “A combination of ISF ground maneuver and coalition air support continues to cut down Daesh’s attempts at reinforcing this heated fight.”
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units and destroyed an ISIL fighting position, an ISIL heavy machine gun, an ISIL communications repeater and an ISIL staging area.
- Near Aleppo, four airstrikes struck four ISIL tactical units and destroyed three ISIL fighting positions.
- Near Kobani, two airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed two ISIL heavy machine guns and an ISIL fighting position.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 19, 2015 - On Aug. 18, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted eight airstrikes using attack, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 18 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter and fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
“Coalition airstrikes in and around Bayji and Ramadi are consistently putting pressure on the leadership of Daesh,” said Brig. Gen. Kevin Killea, chief of staff, CJTF-OIR. “We are constantly restricting their freedom of maneuver and disrupting their ability to successfully counterattack.”
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, five airstrikes struck four ISIL tactical units and destroyed six ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL motorcycle.
- Near Aleppo, two airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL fighting position and an ISIL vehicle.
- Near Ar Raqqah, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL checkpoint.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 17, 2015 - On Aug. 16, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted five airstrikes using fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 13 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
“Coalition airstrikes and the ISF have produced devastating results against Daesh terrorists in the vicinity of the Bayji oil refinery,” said Brig. Gen. Kevin Killea, chief of staff, CJTF-OIR. “The area remains contested, but we have disrupted Daesh’s freedom of movement and they have suffered significant personnel losses in their counterattacks.”
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units and destroyed three ISIL fighting positions.
- Near Aleppo, two airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed three ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL anti-tank weapon.
- Near Kobani, one airstrike destroyed an ISIL mortar firing position.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 16, 2015 - On Aug. 15, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted seven airstrikes using attack, bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 15 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, three airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed six ISIL fighting positions, three ISIL bunkers and two ISIL excavators.
- Near Aleppo, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit.
- Near Ayn Isa, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units and an ISIL resupply vehicle.
- Near Kobani, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed three ISIL fighting positions.

 

[Unhappy438]

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 15, 2015 - On Aug. 14, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted five airstrikes using bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 15 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, three airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed six ISIL excavators, an ISIL heavy machine gun, three ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL bulldozer.
- Near Aleppo, two airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed four ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL vehicle.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 14, 2015 - On Aug. 13, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted eight airstrikes using attack, bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 23 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
“Coalition airstrikes in Ramadi have destroyed many Daesh forces, equipment and fighting positions,” said Col. Mike Indovina, spokesman, CJTF-OIR. “The continued pounding of Daesh defensive positions sets the conditions for ISF as they advance closer to the city in order to completely encircle Ramadi, 'tightening the noose' around the city, before commencing clearing operations.”
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, three airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed five ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL bunker.
- Near Aleppo, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units and destroyed three ISIL recoilless rifles, two ISIL vehicles and an ISIL fighting position.
- Near Ar Raqqah, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units.
- Near Kobani, one airstrike struck an ISIL tactical unit.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 13, 2015 - On Aug. 12, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted 12 airstrikes using attack, bomber, fighter and fighter-attack aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 12 airstrikes coordinated with the government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter, fighter-attack and remotely piloted aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Abu Kamal, two airstrikes destroyed an ISIL front end loader and an ISIL bridge.
- Near Al Hasakah, five airstrikes struck one large and two small ISIL tactical units and destroyed eight ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL vehicle.
- Near Aleppo, three airstrikes struck an ISIL staging facility and destroyed four ISIL fighting positions, two ISIL trench lines and an ISIL bunker.
- Near Kobani, two airstrikes struck two ISIL tactical units and destroyed seven ISIL fighting positions and an ISIL motorcycle.

SOUTHWEST ASIA, August 12, 2015 - On Aug. 11, coalition military forces continued to attack ISIL terrorists in Syria and Iraq. In Syria, coalition military forces conducted nine airstrikes using attack, bomber, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft. Separately in Iraq, coalition military forces conducted 10 airstrikes coordinated with the Government of Iraq using attack, bomber, fighter and fighter-attack aircraft against ISIL targets.
The following is a summary of the strikes conducted since the last press release:
Syria
- Near Al Hasakah, five airstrikes struck one large and four small ISIL tactical units and destroyed 10 ISIL fighting positions, two ISIL bunkers and an ISIL structure.
- Near Aleppo, three airstrikes struck an ISIL tactical unit, an ISIL excavator and an ISIL staging area and destroyed an ISIL excavator.
- Near Dayr Az Zawr, one airstrike struck an ISIL bridge.

To my knowledge 38 more entries exist.