The Syrian Conflict Thread

f2wohf said:
US, UK and France are requesting the flight plans and radar data from the Syrian aviation.

Should be proof enough.
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Lol no. The Syrian government already confirmed they were bombing in the area. Proving that they were in fact in the area at the correct times collaborates the Russian versions of what happened.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and you know it was fake how? because the other side with vested interests told you so? :crylaugh:
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Nah, because they've been caught lying so many times, including exposing their own lies.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/09/26/russian-defence-ministry-presents-evidence-faked-previous-mh17-evidence/

https://medium.com/@DFRLab/lie-in-the-sky-224186b6e98c
 
OrbitalDawn said:
So Alan, since Obama asked Congress for approval to strike against Assad after his 2013 chemical weapons attack and they denied it, when are you going to blame them?

Oh, and what's your boy Trump going to do besides trying to shift the blame
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Fake news sources again hey. Congress never voted on any act to authorize military action Syria. Of course Obama never bothered with congressional approval to bomb Gaddafi but this time, conveniently at the last moment, the Obamasiah had an epiphany while taking a stroll on the white house lawn...

A stroll around the White House grounds with his top adviser on Friday evening changed President Barack Obama’s mind about getting Congress to sign off on a military strike in Syria, senior White House officials told NBC News.

Obama had been leaning toward attacking Syria without a congressional vote for the past week, the officials said. Obama was convinced he had the evidence to back up a strike and as a result dispatched Secretary of State John Kerry to make a passionate case for U.S. action. But only hours after Kerry called Syrian President Bashar al-Assad "a thug and a murderer" and accused his regime of using chemical weapons to kill 1,429 people, Obama changed his mind as he walked across the South Lawn with Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, the officials said.
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Returning from that walk, the president called his advisers in the early evening to inform them of his new decision. The plan was immediately met with robust resistance from a whiplashed Obama team who had listened to Kerry lay out the administration's strongest case yet for action against Assad. "My friends, it matters here if nothing is done," Kerry had argued. "It matters if the world speaks out in condemnation and then nothing happens." Obama's National Security Council had believed since last weekend that requiring a vote was not even on the table and that “consultation” in the form of congressional briefings and behind-the-scenes conversation was all that would be needed before a strike. One senior official noted that no key leaders in Congress had specifically requested a vote on military intervention.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/white-house-walk-talk-changed-obamas-mind-syria-f8C11051182
 
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rietrot said:
Lol no. The Syrian government already confirmed they were bombing in the area. Proving that they were in fact in the area at the correct times collaborates the Russian versions of what happened.
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Except that an explosion of sarin gas in a warehouse wouldn't provoke what happened according to all the experts I can read.

Here you have accounts reporting seeing planes dropping projectiles that released a lot of smoke once landed...

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/syrie/arti...e-attaque-au-gaz-toxique_5105625_1618247.html
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Nah, because they've been caught lying so many times
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who hasn't?

In the Ukraine crises pics of Russian tanks in an entirely different country were being touted as evidence of a "Ukraine invasion", the US has things like their classic WMD lie while obliterating Iraq, and how long were those "28 pages" of the 9/11 report being suppressed with the excuse that there is nothing pointing at Saudi involvement, when in fact there was?

If being caught lying is the litmus test of whether or not a nation is to be trusted, then there is no trustworthy nation in the world AFAIK.
 
Alan said:
Fake news sources again hey. Congress never voted on the any act to authorize military action Syria. Of course Obama never bothered with congressional approval to bomb Gaddafi but this time, conveniently at the last moment, the Obamasiah had an epiphany while taking a stroll on the white house lawn...





http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/white-house-walk-talk-changed-obamas-mind-syria-f8C11051182
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Yeah, nice alternative fact, Kellyanne.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress.

Although Congressional leaders hailed his decision to seek the permission of lawmakers who had been clamoring for a say, the turnabout leaves Mr. Obama at the political mercy of House Republicans, many of whom have opposed him at every turn and have already suggested that Syria’s civil war does not pose a threat to the United States.
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So he doesn't strike, asks Congress' approval first, and Republicans refuse to give it. Shame.

Nice attempt to deflect, though.
 
f2wohf said:
Except that an explosion of sarin gas in a warehouse wouldn't provoke what happened according to all the experts I can read.

Here you have accounts reporting seeing planes dropping projectiles that released a lot of smoke once landed...

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/syrie/arti...e-attaque-au-gaz-toxique_5105625_1618247.html
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1. I don't buy your fake appeal to authority. "Experts" lol yeah right, just a bunch of idiots with opinions. If they were real experts they would actually insists on a proper investigation.

Well I guess that a projectile that lands in a weapons factory would make a lot of smoke or fire or explode depending what was the target. Now the claim is plural "projectiles" were all of them carrying the gas?
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Yeah, because Republicans refused to even discuss the issue in Congress. Why did Republicans not act, Alan?
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So now you agree that your above post were complete bs? Why posy alternative fact in the first place?
 
rietrot said:
So now you agree that your above post were complete bs? Why posy alternative fact in the first place?
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What? Obama asked the Republican majority Congress for authorisation to strike, they didn't give it. Now he's trying to deflect away from Trump's blame shifting by ignoring Republicans' own complicity.
 
rietrot said:
1. I don't buy your fake appeal to authority. "Experts" lol yeah right, just a bunch of idiots with opinions. If they were real experts they would actually insists on a proper investigation.

Well I guess that a projectile that lands in a weapons factory would make a lot of smoke or fire or explode depending what was the target. Now the claim is plural "projectiles" were all of them carrying the gas?
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I guess you know better...

I'll stop answering since proper analysis has no right in this topic, only conspiracy theories are valid.

Ps: an investigation is exactly what has been asked for at the security council. No doubt that Russia will as usual be totally transparent and open.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
What? Obama asked the Republican majority Congress for authorisation to strike, they didn't give it. Now he's trying to deflect away from Trump's blame shifting by ignoring Republicans' own complicity.
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You are the one deflecting. You claimed they had a vote and rejected it falsely. Now you are shifting the goalpost and making up more bs.
 
f2wohf said:
I guess you know better...

I'll stop answering since proper analysis has no right in this topic, only conspiracy theories are valid.

Ps: an investigation is exactly what has been asked for at the security council. No doubt that Russia will as usual be totally transparent and open.
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Yes I do.

All we have is conspiracy theories at this point. You have yours that you falsely believe is backed by some kind of authority and I have mine.
 
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