The Syrian Conflict Thread

Britain publishes legal position on Syrian Intervention

The British government on Thursday published its legal position on military intervention in Syria, stating that "the aim is to relieve humanitarian suffering by deterring or disrupting the further use of chemical weapons."

Britain was seeking support from the UN Security Council, the legal memo said, but added: "If action in the Security Council is blocked, the UK would still be permitted under international law to take exceptional measures."

There were three conditions, which "would clearly be met in this case," to assess in order for Britain to go it alone, the document said.

That included "convincing evidence, generally accepted by the international community as a whole, of extreme humanitarian distress on a large scale," and that it "be objectively clear that there is no practicable alternative to the use of force if lives are to be saved."


Source : Sapa-dpa /sdv
Date : 29 Aug 2013 14:36
 
SA Opposes Syria Strike

South African President Jacob Zuma hit out at what it called "dangerous rhetoric" concerning possible strikes against Syria and warned any military action must have United Nations backing.

"We are concerned by the rhetoric pointing to the possibility of a military intervention," said Zuma while condemning "the chemical weapons attack" in Damascus.

"South Africa does not believe that bombing the already suffering people and crumbling infrastructure of Syria, will contribute to a sustainable solution."

"Military intervention will serve no other purpose than hurting the possibility of a speedy diplomatic solution to the conflict."

South Africa, the continent's largest economy and a G20 member, has largely opposed non-UN Western military intervention since becoming a fully democratic state in 1994, with the fall of apartheid.

"Any attack on Syria without the UN Security Council authorisation would constitute a grave violation of international law and dangerously undermine international order," Zuma said.

South Africa has long sought a seat on the United Nations Security Council, but has irked Western powers with its stance on Zimbabwe and Libya -- where it backed authoritarian rulers' bids to remain in power.

In recent years South Africa has moved to deepen ties with China and Russia, long-time supporters of the ruling ANC during the anti-apartheid struggle.

Zuma was speaking during a meeting with his counterpart from Sao Tome and Principe, Manuel Pinto da Costa.


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv/hdw
Date : 29 Aug 2013 14:51
 
Strikes on Syria will leave Israel in flames

Any military action against Syria will have consequences beyond the region and leave Israel in flames, Iran's army chief of staff General Hassan Firouzabadi said in remarks reported Thursday.

"Any military action against Syria will drive the Zionists to the edge of fire," Firouzabadi said in a statement carried by the official IRNA news agency.

His remarks came in response to reports of possible US-led military strikes against Syria -- Iran's chief regional ally -- in response to its alleged use of chemical weapons in Damascus last week.

The regime of President Bashar al-Assad and the rebel forces fighting to oust it accuse each other of carrying out the attacks that are said to have killed hundreds of people.

Firouzabadi, Iran's most decorated general, said: "The US, Britain and their other allies will face losses by marching their armies into the region and Syria."

"Any new (military) operation in the region will leave behind a lot of damage, which will be of interest to no one except the Zionists," he said, while warning that the fallout from the conflict would not be limited to the region.

His remarks echoed those of Iranian officials in recent days.

"The US intervention will be a disaster for the region," supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Islamic republic's most powerful authority, said Wednesday.

"The region is like a gunpowder depot. (Its) future cannot be predicted" in case of any military strikes against Syria.

US President Barack Obama said he has yet to sign off on a plan to strike Syria over the chemical attacks, drawing the West into the brutal 29-month conflict.

A Western bombing blitz had appeared imminent earlier this week, but US allies were increasingly reluctant to act before hearing the results of a UN probe into the alleged poisonous gas attacks.


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv
Date : 29 Aug 2013 14:52
 
US Sends fifth destroyer to Eastern Med

The US Navy has deployed a fifth destroyer to the eastern Mediterranean, a defense official told AFP on Thursday, as expectations grow of an imminent strike on Syria.

The USS Stout, a guided missile destroyer, is "in the Mediterranean, heading and moving east" to relieve the USS Mahan, said the official, who said both ships might remain in place for the time being.


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv
Date : 29 Aug 2013 16:00
 
Western doubts grow as Syria strike looms

As an initial wave of outrage over a chemical weapons attack in Syria subsides and planning for a military response proceeds, Western nations are increasingly gripped by doubt.

Politicians and the international public alike were shocked by news of a chemical strike on civilians in a Damascus suburb, but support for a punitive strike is not universal.

The recent experience of brutal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has left many leaders and voters gun shy, and US President Barack Obama has a tough task selling the idea of allied action.

In London, Prime Minister David Cameron was among the first to blame Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime for the gas attack, which reportedly killed more than 350 people.

But now he faces a parliamentary revolt as he seeks backing for British participation in allied counterstrikes, which the opposition Labour Party and many in his own camp oppose.

A Labour source said the party has "increasing doubts" about Cameron's motion, which "does not mention anything about compelling evidence" that the attack was launched by Assad's troops.

The British public -- wary of getting bogged down in a drawn out war like the one in Iraq, which was based in part on faulty intelligence -- has soured on a possible attack.

A YouGov poll found that support for firing British missiles against Syria had dropped to 22 percent by Wednesday, while opposition rose to 51 percent.

A British draft resolution backing action against Syria went nowhere Wednesday in the UN Security Council, where Russia -- which has supported Damascus throughout the 29-month Syrian conflict -- blocked the effort.

Obama said his administration has concluded that Assad's regime was behind last week's attack, but other countries have taken a pause they await the report by UN investigators.

In Germany, 58 percent of respondents to a ZDF television poll said they remain opposed to military intervention, with 33 percent saying Western powers should strike Syria.

France, the United States and Britain have spearheaded calls for military action, but the French public is split, according to two polls which put support for a intervention -- even one with UN backing -- at only 55 or 45 percent.

Italy, which served as a launchpad for strikes against Libya in 2011, has taken a backseat, ruling out participation in any military intervention in Syria without a Security Council mandate.

In Austria and Spain, politicians and the press urged caution and stressed that no action should be taken before UN inspectors present their evidence.

"The United States must consider the consequences of a response to Syrian provocation," Spain's El Pais newspaper said in an editorial.

"War should always be a last resort."

Even Poland, a staunch US ally and major contributor of troops for the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, appears opposed to forceful intervention.

"I'm not convinced that an armed attack will stop the crimes," Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday.

Across the Atlantic the potential for conflict has dominated media coverage, with The New York Times and Washington Post both warning that Obama has yet to make a convincing case for action against Syria.

Many on Capitol Hill thumb their nose at the United Nations and would not hesitate to act without Security Council approval.

But House Speaker John Boehner nevertheless suggested Obama has not done enough to justify intervention.

"What is the intended effect of the potential military strikes?" Boehner asked Obama in a letter.

With Iraq or Afghanistan no doubt in mind, many lawmakers are urging Obama to make his case and gain congressional approval before launching an attack.

Democratic Senator Chris Murphy came out forcefully against a military strike.

Such an attack, he told NBC, may make those appalled by chemical weapons "feel better, but it may not actually make the Syrian people safer or advance US national security interests.

"If you drop a bunch of bombs on Syria today and don't remove Assad from power, you potentially make the situation worse for the Syrian people and you potentially drag us into a conflict that could last a decade."

Key US ally Canada, meanwhile, announced Thursday it would support Western military intervention but would not participate.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 29 Aug 2013 20:21
 
US has been planting a lot of seeds that one day will grow together to become the ultimate nightmare of the future. Global terrorism is happening because of US. Al-Qaeda exists because of US. WW3 will happen because of US.
 
Yay some thought before bombs, my gosh this is new. Not easy to fool people twice. So glad to see people are waking up and wanting undeniable proof before believing the word of known liars.

Here you go, open wide for another spoonful...

Read from here, http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=10783911&viewfull=1#post10783911 to here, where you, as confused as always, cut and run, as always... http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=10792127&viewfull=1#post10792127

Sure, the particular leaders of the USA, at particular times, lied about particular issues...damn, just as is the case, for EVERY OTHER NATION ON EARTH...fascinating.

US has been planting a lot of seeds that one day will grow together to become the ultimate nightmare of the future. Global terrorism is happening because of US. Al-Qaeda exists because of US. WW3 will happen because of US.

See above and WTFU.
 
Russians mean business sending a significant part of their naval arsenal to the Mediterranean :erm:

The US has four missile destroyers (fifth on the way) and a sub carrying ballistic missiles in the Eastern Med. The Brits have a missile sub and a task force (carrier HMS Illustrious and two frigates) in the Med as well. Yonder in the Arabian Gulf and Indian Ocean are a pair of super carriers and their escorts, the USS Harry S. Truman and the USS Nimitz. The Nimitz was supposed to return to port but the US has ordered it to stay put. The Russians may have parity with what is already there, but if one of those carriers moves within range of its aircraft, big game change.
 
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Well the Brits are out. Cameron lost a vote in parliament. Looks like Obama is going in increasingly alone dare one say unilateral and illigal *cough*
 
Well the Brits are out. Cameron lost a vote in parliament. Looks like Obama is going in increasingly alone dare one say unilateral and illigal *cough*

There is a legal basis for it. Use of chemicial weapons against civilians is illegal. There is a precedent set in Bosnia/Kosovo and recently in Mali which allows for foreign military intervention if civilians have been attacked and remain at risk


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23847169

Intervention without Security Council approval is not provided for in the UN Charter, but states have, under the Charter, a duty to promote and encourage respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms.


If the Syrian authorities have committed mass killings of its own population, they have committed crimes against humanity. In such situations, the obligation of states to take action is clear on the basis of the Responsibility to Protect, which has been approved by member states of the UN, without having firm legal provisions.

However, I don't think Assad ordered this. US recorded a conversation between a high ranking Syrian govt official raging at the commander of the unit which launched the chemical attack. I cant find that link now. (I wonder why :D)

In a way this is worse. It means there is no effective control over Syria's chemical weapons stockpile. This will probably be the target of US military strikes. Or certainly the Israelis have made it clear that if there is a chance the Syrian govt loses control over their chemical weapons, then they will act.

But there is evidence that it came from someone in the Syrian govt:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23894173
Mr Engel added that officials had cited evidence including "intercepted communications from high-level Syrian officials".

One of the Syrian officials overheard seemed to suggest the chemical weapons attack was more devastating than was intended, officials were quoted as saying by the New York Times.
 
UN experts delay last day of inspections

U.N. experts have delayed the start of what's expected to be the last day of their probe into last week's suspected chemical weapons attack near the Syrian capital that reportedly killed more than 300 people.

A convoy of U.N. vehicles left the inspectors' hotel in central Damascus early Friday, but returned minutes later. It was not clear why the team turned back, and the U.N. could not be reached for comment.

The U.N. said Thursday the inspectors would wrap up their investigation Friday into the Aug. 21 attack, and leave Syria the following day. Some of the experts will travel to laboratories in Europe to deliver the material they've collected this week.

The U.S. blames the Syrian government for the attack, and has signaled it could carry out punitive strikes.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 30 Aug 2013 10:45
 
France says Syria strike possible by Wednesday

French President Francois Hollande said a military strike on Syria could come by Wednesday and that Britain's surprise rejection of armed intervention would not affect his government's stand.

"France wants firm and proportionate action against the Damasacus regime," he said in an interview to Le Monde daily on Friday. The French parliament is due to meet on Wednesday for an emergency Syria session.

Hollande said the British parliament's rebuff would not influence the course of action Paris would take.

"Each country is free to choose whether to take part in such an operation or not. That holds true for Britain and France," he said.

The French leader, who had vowed to "punish" President Bashar al-Assad's regime for an alleged chemical weapons strike on August 21, said "there was a body of indicators pointing to the responsibility of the Damascus regime."

Hollande however ruled out strikes while the UN inspectors were in Syria. UN chief Ban Ki-moon has said they were expected to leave Syria by Saturday morning.

The United States, which had warned that Assad would be crossing a "red line" if chemical weapons were used, said it was still seeking an "interventional coalition" for possible strikes on Syria while reserving the right to act alone.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 30 Aug 2013 11:33
 
So what did you guys think of kerrys speech?

Reminded me of the iraq speech, most notably this part:

The material I will present to you comes from a variety of sources. Some are U.S. sources. And some are those of other countries.

Some of the sources are technical, such as intercepted telephone conversations and photos taken by satellites. Other sources are people who have risked their lives to let the world know what Saddam Hussein is really up to.

I cannot tell you everything that we know. But what I can share with you, when combined with what all of us have learned over the years, is deeply troubling.

Kerry basically said they have a number of sources. One point he made was the UN inspection of the site was pointless because it does not determine who did it but we know that, he said he has evidence assad launched the weapons and from where but that is not available to the public, why is that? They want to avoid the horror show that was colin powells presentation. Pathetic speech that basically gave us nothing but take our word for it and we can't release some info to the public. Why can't they? Why is it a secret that can only be shared with congress?

Summed up, they will attack syria on a small scale. Basically that is what he is telling us.

Grant you recall my conspiracy theory that we both find a bit funny yet at the same time i find it possible because it is the only way he can attack without congress, unless he pulls a 911 over the weekend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23899140 I wonder. We will see shortly though i guess :D. I wonder how much of a joke it really is but we will see shortly. How many i wonder think they are capable of attacking the US so badly it is deemed an act of war. Internet down, communication out, nuclear power plants hacked etc. We will see on sat and sunday if the syrians(false flag) are capable of something on that scale and they will be capable(assuming it happens which i find hard to believe) because it won't be them. Still it seems funny to me but hackers do this so often why is it a big deal and headline news when syria(well they say syria) does it.
 
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So what did you guys think of kerrys speech?

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Grant you recall my conspiracy theory
Oh lord. Is that a trick question ?
I'll have to go to the large filing room named "killa's conspiracy theories 2013" & dig around in there for a couple of hours :D

How many i wonder think they are capable of attacking the US so badly it is deemed an act of war. Internet down, communication out, nuclear power plants hacked etc. We will see on sat and sunday if the syrians(false flag) are capable of something on that scale and they will be capable(assuming it happens which i find hard to believe) because it won't be them. Still it seems funny to me but hackers do this so often why is it a big deal and headline news when syria(well they say syria) does it.
I assume in the above you are referring to that cyber attack theory.
If so, you do of course realise (of course you do) an attack of any sort, physical or cyber, can be launched from a 3rd country - just as the usa did in the instance of iraq.

Are you not seeing reluctance on obama's part to intervene.
He has been making a lot of noise - a lot more bark than bite - ie sabre rattling !
To me, he seems somewhat reluctant to get involved.
 
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