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The Syrian Conflict Thread
Good.Fellow
Well-Known Member
I see the Man of Peace wants war.
marine1
Honorary Master
Obama is worse than bush ever was.
Fighting alongside Al q. I mean really
Fighting alongside Al q. I mean really
Good.Fellow
Well-Known Member
He went to a Islamic Religious school as a child, so you can't blame him.
marine1
Honorary Master
Wonder what Ghoti thinks of his hero, peace loving Obama supporting the very people hellbent on wiping out the west
Good.Fellow
Well-Known Member
All's fair in love and war.
Arab states call for international action against Syrian regime
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...ternational-action-against-syrian-regime?lite
But lets ignore what the Syrian people and the Arab states want. Cause this is all about Obama and how much you dislike him and Americans.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...ternational-action-against-syrian-regime?lite
But lets ignore what the Syrian people and the Arab states want. Cause this is all about Obama and how much you dislike him and Americans.
Albereth
Honorary Master
What to do? What to do?
Obama is right in that the civilised world can't stand by when people are gassed.
But the soldiers have a point - why should they put themselves in harm's way? The fight isn't theirs.
Obama is right in that the civilised world can't stand by when people are gassed.
But the soldiers have a point - why should they put themselves in harm's way? The fight isn't theirs.
CeeBee
Expert Member
yaa, its a difficult thing i guess. personally, not that my op matters, i'd say let them sort themselves out, either fix your own problems, or exterminate one another. the rest of the world will be better off either way.
we have similar problem in our own country... the same people you try to help today, may come tomorrow to p1ss on your world.
same as in Zim... the people themselves have the power to accept a tyrant ruler, or to take him out.
still, i figured it would just be a few well placed cruise missiles, not actual soldiers sent in to do ground fighting? i suppose it may not end there.
another option? like US have done with other areas... empower the inocents with the means to fight, while staying out of it?
strange to me though, is why Russia is supporting the Syrian gov?! without their vote, the UN will not OK a strike, and US will look like the baddies
we have similar problem in our own country... the same people you try to help today, may come tomorrow to p1ss on your world.
same as in Zim... the people themselves have the power to accept a tyrant ruler, or to take him out.
still, i figured it would just be a few well placed cruise missiles, not actual soldiers sent in to do ground fighting? i suppose it may not end there.
another option? like US have done with other areas... empower the inocents with the means to fight, while staying out of it?
strange to me though, is why Russia is supporting the Syrian gov?! without their vote, the UN will not OK a strike, and US will look like the baddies
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Tell marine1 as per usual, he is lying. Obama is not fighting along side al-qaeda. He is not even fighting in Syria. And even if he did fight he would support the secular rebels. Support of the secular rebels does not equal support for al-qaeda. But expecting marine1 to understand that would be like expecting Zuma to be honest.
Now heres something marine1 wont tell. This is now going to be congress`s choice. Congress is controlled by marine1`s conservative homies. The Republicans. So any choice to go into war will be on them. Not Obama.
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Theyre soldiers... what did they join the army to do? Build creche`s?
What harm are they ganna be put in? Theyre going to be firing missiles from hundreds of kilometers away. There will be no allied troops on the ground....
The crying is pure propaganda from less than 1% of 1% of the army.
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Australia offers support for US strike in Syria
Australia is offering moral support for a U.S. military strike in Syria while New Zealand said Monday it needs more information after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry personally called each country's foreign minister.
Kerry has been trying to secure at least some international support for a potential U.S. strike after accusing the Syrian government of launching a chemical weapons attack.
Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr's spokesman Patrick Low said Monday that Kerry called last week and that Australia supports the U.S. taking action. He said Kerry didn't ask for military assistance and Australia didn't offer it.
New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said Kerry called Foreign Minister Murray McCully over the weekend and that New Zealand wants to assess all steps taken ahead of a strike before stating its position.
The U.S. doesn't have widespread support internationally for military action. So far, only France has indicated it would join a U.S. strike. The Parliament of key ally Britain last week rejected a vote endorsing military action.
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 08:50
Australia is offering moral support for a U.S. military strike in Syria while New Zealand said Monday it needs more information after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry personally called each country's foreign minister.
Kerry has been trying to secure at least some international support for a potential U.S. strike after accusing the Syrian government of launching a chemical weapons attack.
Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr's spokesman Patrick Low said Monday that Kerry called last week and that Australia supports the U.S. taking action. He said Kerry didn't ask for military assistance and Australia didn't offer it.
New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said Kerry called Foreign Minister Murray McCully over the weekend and that New Zealand wants to assess all steps taken ahead of a strike before stating its position.
The U.S. doesn't have widespread support internationally for military action. So far, only France has indicated it would join a U.S. strike. The Parliament of key ally Britain last week rejected a vote endorsing military action.
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 08:50
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Russia absolutely 'unconvinced' by Syria chemical attack claims
Russia is totally unconvinced by the evidence presented by the United States and its allies of an alleged chemical attack outside Damascus that the West says was perpetrated by the regime, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Monday.
"What we were shown before and most recently by our American partners as well the British and the French absolutely does not convince us," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at a university lecture, adding there were "many doubts" about images of the alleged attack posted on the Internet.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 08:48
Russia is totally unconvinced by the evidence presented by the United States and its allies of an alleged chemical attack outside Damascus that the West says was perpetrated by the regime, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Monday.
"What we were shown before and most recently by our American partners as well the British and the French absolutely does not convince us," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at a university lecture, adding there were "many doubts" about images of the alleged attack posted on the Internet.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 08:48
killadoob
Honorary Master
I wasn't alive back then but can you image losing your child fighting in a war they were forced into? Vietnam was forced, 50000 troops were forced to go into vietnam and die. For what? They pulled out having done nothing but kill 2 million enemy and lose 50000 soldiers. I am not knocking the people or army personal but the Government has never put the lives of their troops up there with the lives of people like kerry and so on.
No matter what they do in syria it isn't going to change anything. What is next, intervention in lebanon or boots on the ground invasion of iran with more dead americans and perhaps the two korea's carry on with their war.
Obama cocked up calling for a redline, admit that and move on. Don't attack a country to save face. Unless they have a plan and boots on the ground to ensure alnusra do not come to power a strike on syria can only cause more problems, 100000 people have been killed by both sides but a chemical attack that is not deniable as to what side did it is not a good enough reason to lob some rockets at assad. If they are going to intervene then do so properly to ensure alnusra do not come to power and make bloody sure you have a plan for those chemical weapons that they say he has. Assad will never launch a chemical attack on a country because russia would drop any kind of support and more than likely attack assad and fight alnusra. As i said putin is many things but he won't tolerate a chemical on a nation.
Kerry said this morning it is confirmed there was a chemical attack, omg what a revelation kerry.
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
France to give lawmakers proof that Syria behind Chemical attacks
France will hand over evidence to lawmakers on Monday proving President Bashar al-Assad's regime was behind the August 21 chemical weapons attack in Syria, a government source told AFP.
"It will be a set of evidence of different kinds that will allow the regime to be clearly identified as responsible for the August 21 chemical attack," the source said.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 10:29
France will hand over evidence to lawmakers on Monday proving President Bashar al-Assad's regime was behind the August 21 chemical weapons attack in Syria, a government source told AFP.
"It will be a set of evidence of different kinds that will allow the regime to be clearly identified as responsible for the August 21 chemical attack," the source said.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 10:29
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Death Toll in Weekend Clash Near Damascus rises to 42
The death toll in air raids and fighting in a town near Damascus at the weekend has risen to 42, a watchdog said Monday, after regime forces retaliated for a rebel attack on army positions.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 20 rebels had died around the town of Rouhayba, northeast of the Syrian capital. The other victims comprised regime forces and civilians, including four children.
The fighting broke out at dawn on Sunday and lasted throughout the day, with regime warplanes launching air strikes on Rouhayba and clashes taking place just outside the town.
According to the Observatory, which collates information from a network of activists and medics, more than 110,000 people have been killed since Syria's conflict broke out in March 2011, including at least 40,146 civilians.
Compounding the chronic violence, hundreds were killed in an alleged poison gas attack on August 21 that some Western and Arab countries have blamed on the regime of Bashar al-Assad -- a claim it denies.
US President Barack Obama decided on Saturday that he would seek the approval of Congress before launching any military strikes on Syria aimed at punishing the regime over the suspected attack.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:02
The death toll in air raids and fighting in a town near Damascus at the weekend has risen to 42, a watchdog said Monday, after regime forces retaliated for a rebel attack on army positions.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 20 rebels had died around the town of Rouhayba, northeast of the Syrian capital. The other victims comprised regime forces and civilians, including four children.
The fighting broke out at dawn on Sunday and lasted throughout the day, with regime warplanes launching air strikes on Rouhayba and clashes taking place just outside the town.
According to the Observatory, which collates information from a network of activists and medics, more than 110,000 people have been killed since Syria's conflict broke out in March 2011, including at least 40,146 civilians.
Compounding the chronic violence, hundreds were killed in an alleged poison gas attack on August 21 that some Western and Arab countries have blamed on the regime of Bashar al-Assad -- a claim it denies.
US President Barack Obama decided on Saturday that he would seek the approval of Congress before launching any military strikes on Syria aimed at punishing the regime over the suspected attack.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:02
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
China argues against US action in Syria
China on Monday urged the U.S. not to take unilateral action against Syria in response to last month's chemical weapons attack against civilians.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Washington had briefed Beijing over the matter and China was highly concerned about any use of chemical weapons.
But he said China opposed the U.S. acting alone and believed any response must conform to the U.N. Charter and the basic principles underlying international relations.
"China ... holds the belief that a political resolution is the only realistic way to solve the Syrian issue," Hong told reporters at a regularly scheduled briefing.
"China is highly concerned about the relevant country's plan on taking unilateral military action," Hong said, adding that the international community must "avoid complicating the Syrian issue and dragging the Middle East down into further disaster."
China has consistently joined Russia in blocking any U.N. action that could lead to the downfall of Syrian President Bashar Assad's government.
The U.S. says the use of chemical weapons in Syria killed at least 1,429 civilians. The U.S. argues that Assad's government is responsible, while others say the evidence is not clear.
President Barack Obama is trying to convince Americans and the world about the need for action in response to the attack. Only France is firmly on board among the major military powers, after Britain's Parliament rejected the use of force in a vote last week.
Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, said Monday the information the U.S. showed Moscow to prove the Syrian regime was behind the chemical attack was "absolutely unconvincing."
Hong didn't address the possibility of the U.S. acting together with France or another ally, although Beijing would almost certainly be opposed to any action.
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:02
China on Monday urged the U.S. not to take unilateral action against Syria in response to last month's chemical weapons attack against civilians.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Washington had briefed Beijing over the matter and China was highly concerned about any use of chemical weapons.
But he said China opposed the U.S. acting alone and believed any response must conform to the U.N. Charter and the basic principles underlying international relations.
"China ... holds the belief that a political resolution is the only realistic way to solve the Syrian issue," Hong told reporters at a regularly scheduled briefing.
"China is highly concerned about the relevant country's plan on taking unilateral military action," Hong said, adding that the international community must "avoid complicating the Syrian issue and dragging the Middle East down into further disaster."
China has consistently joined Russia in blocking any U.N. action that could lead to the downfall of Syrian President Bashar Assad's government.
The U.S. says the use of chemical weapons in Syria killed at least 1,429 civilians. The U.S. argues that Assad's government is responsible, while others say the evidence is not clear.
President Barack Obama is trying to convince Americans and the world about the need for action in response to the attack. Only France is firmly on board among the major military powers, after Britain's Parliament rejected the use of force in a vote last week.
Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, said Monday the information the U.S. showed Moscow to prove the Syrian regime was behind the chemical attack was "absolutely unconvincing."
Hong didn't address the possibility of the U.S. acting together with France or another ally, although Beijing would almost certainly be opposed to any action.
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:02
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Obama lobbies lawmakers as US says Damascus used Sarin Gas
US President Barack Obama launched an intense lobbying effort Sunday to sway skeptical lawmakers weighing whether to support a military strike against Syria.
The strategy, outlined by a senior White House official, came as Secretary of State John Kerry said Washington had proof Damascus used sarin gas in a deadly attack August 21.
Arab League foreign ministers, meanwhile, urged the United Nations and international community to take "deterrent" action, while blaming the regime for the alleged chemical weapons assault.
All the while, a defiant President Bashar al-Assad insisted that Syria would confront any military action.
With all eyes on Washington, Obama -- as well as Vice President Joe Biden and the White House chief of staff -- made individual calls to members of Congress Sunday, according to the official. More are planned for Monday, a federal holiday.
That came on top of a classified briefing held on Capitol Hill Sunday afternoon. More meetings, at the White House, are planned for select members of Congress over the coming two days.
On the heels of a surprise announcement by the US leader, the White House on Saturday formally asked Congress for authorization to conduct strikes in a draft resolution framing a narrow set of operations.
But it remains to be seen if war-weary lawmakers will endorse Obama's push for action -- or hand him a bitter defeat. Many, including influential Republican senator John McCain, remain unsure they can support the White House resolution.
"In all calls and briefings, we will be making the same fundamental case: the failure to take action against Assad unravels the deterrent impact of the international norm against chemical weapons use, and it risks emboldening Assad and his key allies -- Hezbollah and Iran -- who will see that there are no consequences for such a flagrant violation of an international norm," the senior White House official said.
"Anyone who is concerned about Iran and its efforts in the region should support this action."
Pushing the administration's argument for limited military action, Kerry told US television talk shows that hair and blood samples given to the US from emergency workers on the scene of the August 21 attacks showed signs of the powerful sarin nerve gas.
A key US ally, however, suggested that limited strikes were not the way to go.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who favors major international military intervention in Syria, stressed Sunday that limited strikes would only exacerbate the situation.
"Targeted strikes would not only fail to lead us towards a solution but would make conditions even more difficult in Syria," he told a meeting in Istanbul.
He added that Assad should "immediately leave office and go to a country willing to take him."
Turkey shares a long border with Syria.
Meeting in Cairo, meanwhile, Arab League foreign ministers issued a statement calling upon the United Nations and international community "to assume their responsibilities in line with the UN Charter and international law by taking the necessary deterrent measures."
Syria's opposition National Coalition had earlier pleaded with the ministers to back a US-led strike, while Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said failure to do so would bolster Assad's forces to "pursue its crimes."
But Assad, whose regime has faced an uprising since March 2011 that a watchdog says has cost 110,000 lives, came out swinging.
"Syria... is capable of facing up to any external aggression just as it faces up to internal aggression every day, in the form of terrorist groups and those that support them," SANA news agency quoted him as saying.
Assad's comments were his first since Obama's move Saturday.
On the streets of Damascus, residents were scornful of the president's decision to back down from immediate action.
"He who talks a lot doesn't act," said Souad, mocking the US leader as a "coward" for delaying the decision.
"Obama is a coward. He didn't strike because he knows that our President Bashar (al-Assad) is all-powerful," said the employee of nationality electricity firm Ferdaws, in the northeast of the capital.
On Saturday, Obama said the US military is poised to react at any time.
The US Navy has deployed an amphibious transport ship to the Mediterranean, where five destroyers are already in place for possible missile strikes on Syria, a defense official said on Sunday.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kn
Date : 02 Sep 2013 04:18
US President Barack Obama launched an intense lobbying effort Sunday to sway skeptical lawmakers weighing whether to support a military strike against Syria.
The strategy, outlined by a senior White House official, came as Secretary of State John Kerry said Washington had proof Damascus used sarin gas in a deadly attack August 21.
Arab League foreign ministers, meanwhile, urged the United Nations and international community to take "deterrent" action, while blaming the regime for the alleged chemical weapons assault.
All the while, a defiant President Bashar al-Assad insisted that Syria would confront any military action.
With all eyes on Washington, Obama -- as well as Vice President Joe Biden and the White House chief of staff -- made individual calls to members of Congress Sunday, according to the official. More are planned for Monday, a federal holiday.
That came on top of a classified briefing held on Capitol Hill Sunday afternoon. More meetings, at the White House, are planned for select members of Congress over the coming two days.
On the heels of a surprise announcement by the US leader, the White House on Saturday formally asked Congress for authorization to conduct strikes in a draft resolution framing a narrow set of operations.
But it remains to be seen if war-weary lawmakers will endorse Obama's push for action -- or hand him a bitter defeat. Many, including influential Republican senator John McCain, remain unsure they can support the White House resolution.
"In all calls and briefings, we will be making the same fundamental case: the failure to take action against Assad unravels the deterrent impact of the international norm against chemical weapons use, and it risks emboldening Assad and his key allies -- Hezbollah and Iran -- who will see that there are no consequences for such a flagrant violation of an international norm," the senior White House official said.
"Anyone who is concerned about Iran and its efforts in the region should support this action."
Pushing the administration's argument for limited military action, Kerry told US television talk shows that hair and blood samples given to the US from emergency workers on the scene of the August 21 attacks showed signs of the powerful sarin nerve gas.
A key US ally, however, suggested that limited strikes were not the way to go.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who favors major international military intervention in Syria, stressed Sunday that limited strikes would only exacerbate the situation.
"Targeted strikes would not only fail to lead us towards a solution but would make conditions even more difficult in Syria," he told a meeting in Istanbul.
He added that Assad should "immediately leave office and go to a country willing to take him."
Turkey shares a long border with Syria.
Meeting in Cairo, meanwhile, Arab League foreign ministers issued a statement calling upon the United Nations and international community "to assume their responsibilities in line with the UN Charter and international law by taking the necessary deterrent measures."
Syria's opposition National Coalition had earlier pleaded with the ministers to back a US-led strike, while Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said failure to do so would bolster Assad's forces to "pursue its crimes."
But Assad, whose regime has faced an uprising since March 2011 that a watchdog says has cost 110,000 lives, came out swinging.
"Syria... is capable of facing up to any external aggression just as it faces up to internal aggression every day, in the form of terrorist groups and those that support them," SANA news agency quoted him as saying.
Assad's comments were his first since Obama's move Saturday.
On the streets of Damascus, residents were scornful of the president's decision to back down from immediate action.
"He who talks a lot doesn't act," said Souad, mocking the US leader as a "coward" for delaying the decision.
"Obama is a coward. He didn't strike because he knows that our President Bashar (al-Assad) is all-powerful," said the employee of nationality electricity firm Ferdaws, in the northeast of the capital.
On Saturday, Obama said the US military is poised to react at any time.
The US Navy has deployed an amphibious transport ship to the Mediterranean, where five destroyers are already in place for possible missile strikes on Syria, a defense official said on Sunday.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kn
Date : 02 Sep 2013 04:18
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Syria has asked UN to 'prevent any Aggression' : Agency
Syria has asked the United Nations to try to "prevent any aggression" against it, state news agency SANA said Monday, as the United States weighs military action against Damascus.
"The Syrian government calls on the UN secretary general to assume his responsibilities... and to make efforts to prevent any aggression against Syria," the agency said, quoting a letter from Syria's UN representative Bashar al-Jaafari.
The letter also urged the United Nations to help seek a "peaceful political solution to the crisis" in Syria, where more than 110,000 people have been killed in violence since an uprising against the regime began in March 2011.
US President Barack Obama is seeking approval from Congress for military action against Syria in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack on Damascus suburbs that killed hundreds of people.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:52
Syria has asked the United Nations to try to "prevent any aggression" against it, state news agency SANA said Monday, as the United States weighs military action against Damascus.
"The Syrian government calls on the UN secretary general to assume his responsibilities... and to make efforts to prevent any aggression against Syria," the agency said, quoting a letter from Syria's UN representative Bashar al-Jaafari.
The letter also urged the United Nations to help seek a "peaceful political solution to the crisis" in Syria, where more than 110,000 people have been killed in violence since an uprising against the regime began in March 2011.
US President Barack Obama is seeking approval from Congress for military action against Syria in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack on Damascus suburbs that killed hundreds of people.
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:52
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Respect UN's Role in Syria: Zuma
The role of the United Nations in Syria must be respected, President Jacob Zuma said on Monday.
"The task of the UN will be respected as the only authority that can intervene militarily in any country," Zuma told delegates at the 59th Commonwealth Parliamentary Conference in Sandton, Johannesburg.
"My view is that you are meeting at the right time when there is a challenge to the global situation and I don't think we can remain silent when one country is being bombed to ashes before our eyes."
He said it was the role of parliaments and legislatures around the world to promote peace and security.
It was only through peace that there could be sustainable development and prosperity.
Zuma also called for peace in Egypt and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
"Peace and democracy must reign in every part of Africa and all over the world," he said.
Source : Sapa /gq/fg/jje/jk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:33
The role of the United Nations in Syria must be respected, President Jacob Zuma said on Monday.
"The task of the UN will be respected as the only authority that can intervene militarily in any country," Zuma told delegates at the 59th Commonwealth Parliamentary Conference in Sandton, Johannesburg.
"My view is that you are meeting at the right time when there is a challenge to the global situation and I don't think we can remain silent when one country is being bombed to ashes before our eyes."
He said it was the role of parliaments and legislatures around the world to promote peace and security.
It was only through peace that there could be sustainable development and prosperity.
Zuma also called for peace in Egypt and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
"Peace and democracy must reign in every part of Africa and all over the world," he said.
Source : Sapa /gq/fg/jje/jk
Date : 02 Sep 2013 11:33