The Syrian Conflict Thread

I don't know anything anymore to be honest, i don't know if al queda are CIA backed, i don't know if america are the good or bad guys. I am at a point where the lines have become blurred by sick people i am not seeing good guys or bad guys, just bad people fighting each other. So i am not even anti west at the moment.

What i can see is terror on the horizon. I see it from everyone, not just the western powers. I don't know who to believe and who to trust. I am not like you lightscribe, i don't have faith in anyone. I do know the americans are lying about the chemical usage, i do know turkey caught rebels with sarin gas. I can't say assad never used chemical weapons but nobody actually can say he has so it's a total lie to claim you evidence that he has when turkey has evidence the rebels have used it. We shall see the rebels have some serious fire power now.
 
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I am by no means claiming the man is good, saddam was not good but for the most part 1000 people were not dying monthly. Look at iraq it is more fked than before and saddam warned it would happen. Everyday a car explodes or a suicide bomber kills people.

I really wish that i could believe syria would be better off without assad but i somehow don't see a peaceful outcome now, all the i see is terror on the horizon.

Dictators like saddam kept civil war from erupting because they were killing any person that stepped out of line. It's natural for the issues that happen, in the wake of such liberation from dictators, to be more chaotic than before. It's also just the curse of having competing, ready to die, religious fanatics, in the ME.

Stop worrying yourself about the people of Syria. They will over time, sort out their issues, at least to the point where the bombings and assassinations, become less regular.

Most of all, the Syrians do not need you supporting assad, no matter how you view the situation. You spit on the graves of their loved ones by supporting assad remaining in power.

I don't know anything anymore to be honest, i don't know if al queda are CIA backed, i don't know if america are the good or bad guys. I am at a point where the lines have become blurred by sick people i am not seeing good guys or bad guys, just bad people fighting each other. So i am not even anti west at the moment.

Everyone has their Islamic militant lackeys. The USA is just doing what any nation does...influence other nations to think more like them.

What i can see is terror on the horizon. I see it from everyone, not just the western powers. I don't know who to believe and who to trust. I am not like you lightscribe, i don't have faith in anyone. I do know the americans are lying about the chemical usage, i do know turkey caught rebels with sarin gas. I can't say assad never used chemical weapons but nobody actually can say he has so it's a total lie to claim you evidence that he has when turkey has evidence the rebels have used it. We shall see the rebels have some serious fire power now.

Terror is part of life. Don't trust anyone. I don't. Be skeptical. I am. I just happen to like the US system more than being a dhimmi. Even with snipers and bombs, people in warzones still continue their lives and just run from safe spot to safe spot. The fear dissipates as the conflict drags out. Who knows what the truth is, concerning the sarin...

As long as the rebels win, so that the war between them and hezbolla can escalate, I'm happy. As I mentioned, this whole saga will eat up many jihadists, that would otherwise be targeting US interests.
 
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I don't know anything anymore to be honest, i don't know if al queda are CIA backed, i don't know if america are the good or bad guys. I am at a point where the lines have become blurred by sick people i am not seeing good guys or bad guys, just bad people fighting each other. So i am not even anti west at the moment.

What i can see is terror on the horizon. I see it from everyone, not just the western powers. I don't know who to believe and who to trust. I am not like you lightscribe, i don't have faith in anyone. I do know the americans are lying about the chemical usage, i do know turkey caught rebels with sarin gas. I can't say assad never used chemical weapons but nobody actually can say he has so it's a total lie to claim you evidence that he has when turkey has evidence the rebels have used it. We shall see the rebels have some serious fire power now.

America lies, Assad lies, Al Qaeda lies, everyone lies to serve their own agenda.

The only honest people in Syria are the people who took to the streets over 2-years ago and demanded change, but their dictator decided to feed them lead instead.
 
America lies, Assad lies, Al Qaeda lies, everyone lies to serve their own agenda.

The only honest people in Syria are the people who took to the streets over 2-years ago and demanded change, but their dictator decided to feed them lead instead.

Can you say though if assad has resigned that sectarian violence would not have ripped the country apart like iraq? I do agree that initially assad should have resigned but how can you expect people like assad to resign when the US backs dictators when it is within their agenda or good for them. You can't disagree surely that there is a major double standard and it does seem as though only the pro west dictators can seemingly remain in power without much coverage. Let's look at the removed dictators by intervention, all anti western people. So staggy do you think the world would be a better place if every country had the same rules and the people who are policing the planet had policies it applied equally to everyone?

It is the double standards and different rules that blur the lines and it seems there isn't really a set of rules to follow unless you are seen as anti west. The pro western okes do seem to be able to stay in power for the most part.
 
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Can you say though if assad has resigned that sectarian violence would not rip the country apart like iraq? I do agree that initially assad should have resigned but how can you expect people like assad to resign when the US backs dictators when it within their agenda or good for them. You can't disagree surely that there is a major double standard and it does seem as though only the pro west dictators can seemingly remain in power without much coverage. Let's look at the removed dictators by intervention, all anti western people. So staggy do you think the world would be a better place if every country had the same rule and the people who are policing the planet had policies it applied equally to everyone?

It is the double standards and different rules i think blur the lines.

compare Tunisia and Egypt to Syria and Libya for the difference between western backed and your idol Putin's buddies....
 
compare Tunisia and Egypt to Syria and Libya for the difference between western backed and your idol Putin's buddies....

Alan when people believe the same lie by the same country and then actually have trust or defend them without looking at the situation i can't or won't try convince them otherwise because people can be fooled once, yes even i believed the US and backed them removing saddam. When none of the claims they made were ever backed up i began to see things in a different light.

Believing the same excuse for a second time means there is no possible way that a person is looking at all angles. So believe the chemical lie and and support the west because they could be right and they could be the good guys but bahrain has made me doubt the US are good guys along with the iraq lie, along with the bombing of libya and now once again the claims that assad is using chemicals based on sand. Again the UN are not convinced.

So i can't help people see blurred lines and i can't make people question a country when they believe the same lie a second time. The sand samples supposedly have sarin gas but turkey caught rebels with sarin gas, no wonder the UN came out for a second time and made it clear they do not have enough evidence to back up the US claims.
 
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Alan when people believe the same lie by the same country and then actually have trust or defend them without looking at the situation i can't or won't try convince them otherwise because people can be fooled once, yes even i believed the US and backed them removing saddam. When none of the claims they made were ever backed up i began to see things in a different light.

Believing the same excuse for a second time means there is no possible way that a person is looking at all angles. So believe the chemical lie and and support the west because they could be right and they could be the good guys but bahrain has made me doubt the US are good guys along with the iraq lie, along with the bombing of libya and now once again the claims that assad is using chemicals based on sand. Again the UN are not convinced.

So i can't help people see blurred lines and i can't make people question a country when they believe the same lie a second time. The sand samples supposedly have sarin gas but turkey caught rebels with sarin gas, no wonder the UN came out for a second time and made it clear they do not have enough evidence to back up the US claims.

Stop talking BS. You have been told many times to look at the evidence, yet you parrot out the disinformation of putin's crowd. Even the US sold saddan WMDs.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629

I do not think that the Obama administration would just lie, about whatever proof they have, of sarin gas use by assad's forces. I may be wrong. No big deal. I supported the US giving weapons to rebels, up to the post here recently, that mentioned that they are getting enough already, from regional players.

You stress over things too much. Just keep up to date with the issue, without worrying about who is lying, if there is no proof of any lies yet. As with the other Arab Spring countries, it's going to take a few years to a generation, to fully recover from such a war. Stay away from the conspiracy sites also, unless you can divorce yourself from the issues and just take in all views, with a skeptical mind.
 
Yes there is, turkey have caught the rebels with sarin gas, thus obama is lying thus he has no undeniable proof. Turkey have evidence that basically proves the US are lying and UN have again come out and said they are not convinced.

Anyways like i said i am enjoying the situation, not enjoying the death and so on just following the war and the all the different players.
 
Yes there is, turkey have caught the rebels with sarin gas, thus obama is lying thus he has no undeniable proof. Turkey have evidence that basically proves the US are lying and UN have again come out and said they are not convinced.

Anyways like i said i am enjoying the situation, not enjoying the death and so on just following the war and the all the different players.

Here you go.

The Syrian regime has used lethal chemical weapons, mostly sarin gas, against armed rebels several times in the past few weeks, and is continuing to do so, the head of the Israel Defense Forces Military Intelligence Research Branch, Brig. Gen. ltay Baron, said on Monday.

Baron said that photographs showing victims with foam coming out of their mouths and contracted pupils were signs that deadly gas had been used.

Speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, Baron confirmed that "to the best of its [the IDF’s] knowledge," weapons of mass destruction had definitely been used by the Syrian regime, a development which the United States and others say they are still trying to determine.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=8793

Tests undertaken at Britain's weapons research centre, Porton Down, showed sarin was used by regime forces at Utaybah on 19 March and at Sheikh Maqsood on 13 April, he said.

"We believe the scale of the use is sanctioned and ordered by the Assad regime. We have not seen any credible reporting of chemical weapons use by the Syrian opposition. However, we assess that elements affiliated to al-Qaida in the region have attempted to acquire chemical weapons for use in Syria.

"That is the picture described to me by the joint intelligence committee and I always choose my words on this subject very carefully because of the issues that there have been in the past.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/14/syria-sarin-rebels-twice-cameron

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told France 2 television: "We have no doubt that the gas is being used. The conclusion of the laboratory is clear: there is sarin gas."

Experts had analysed samples brought back from Syria, he said.

Earlier, his ministry released a statement from Fabius in which he said "France is now certain that sarin gas has been used in Syria several times and in a localised fashion".

Although the statement did not say who had used the gas, it added: "It would be unacceptable that those guilty of these crimes could benefit from impunity."

Later, in his televised remarks, Mr Fabius went further, saying that in at least one case, there was "no doubt that it was the regime and its accomplices".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-is-no-doubt-Assad-regime-used-sarin-gas.html

Congress was also being notified of the chemical weapons determination on Thursday in classified documents sent to Capitol Hill, the officials said. The finding was aided by evidence sent to the United States by France, which along with Britain, announced last week that they had determined that Assad's government had used chemical weapons in the two-year conflict.

White House Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes later said that 100-150 Syrians have died from Assad’s use of chemical weapons, which has taken the US intelligence community nearly two months to confirm.

"Following a deliberative review, our intelligence community assesses that the Assad regime has used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year," he said in a statement.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4392235,00.html

The UN is simply being cautious.

The report found "reasonable grounds" to believe that chemical weapons had been used on four occasions in March and April but could not determine which side was behind them.

“There are reasonable grounds to believe that limited quantities of toxic chemicals were used. It has not been possible, on the evidence available, to determine the precise chemical agents used, their delivery systems or the perpetrator,” Paulo Pinheiro, who chairs the UN commission of inquiry, told a news conference in Geneva.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ent-sarin-has-been-used-in-syria-8643123.html

Ban has urged Syria to give the experts unfettered access to investigate all alleged chemical arms incidents. But Assad's government only wants the UN team to probe an incident in Aleppo from March. UN diplomats say UN-Syria negotiations on access have reached a deadlock.

The UN statement on Wednesday made clear Sellstrom believes the only way to conduct a proper investigation is by going to Syria.

"On-site activities are essential if the United Nations is to be able to establish the facts," he said

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/UN-cautious-over-French-claims-Syria-used-nerve-gas-315600
 
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Can you say though if assad has resigned that sectarian violence would not have ripped the country apart like iraq? I do agree that initially assad should have resigned but how can you expect people like assad to resign when the US backs dictators when it is within their agenda or good for them. You can't disagree surely that there is a major double standard and it does seem as though only the pro west dictators can seemingly remain in power without much coverage. Let's look at the removed dictators by intervention, all anti western people. So staggy do you think the world would be a better place if every country had the same rules and the people who are policing the planet had policies it applied equally to everyone?

It is the double standards and different rules that blur the lines and it seems there isn't really a set of rules to follow unless you are seen as anti west. The pro western okes do seem to be able to stay in power for the most part.

If Assad made less of a fuss and stood down we would likely see a Libya or Egypt situation where there is still some strife, BUT, neither country is at full-blown war with itself. Well, at least not yet. The Libyan people still have hope although they readily admit they will need 5 - 10 years to get themselves settled. Does Syria have hope?

And I have concurred with you countless times on this matter. Yes, the US does have a double standard when it comes to its allies. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Turkey are key allies in the region so the US will close an eye to what they do. Bahrain allows the US to base a Carrier Strike Group in its waters while Saudi Arabia and Turkey are powerful military bulwarks against increasing Iranian power in the region. Likewise Russia and Iran could care less as to what happens to the Syrian people because Syria is their strategic partner in the region. Well, it was until Assad plunged it into chaos.
 
Stop talking BS. You have been told many times to look at the evidence, yet you parrot out the disinformation of putin's crowd. Even the US sold saddan WMDs.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/martin/060629

I do not think that the Obama administration would just lie, about whatever proof they have, of sarin gas use by assad's forces. I may be wrong. No big deal. I supported the US giving weapons to rebels, up to the post here recently, that mentioned that they are getting enough already, from regional players.

You stress over things too much. Just keep up to date with the issue, without worrying about who is lying, if there is no proof of any lies yet. As with the other Arab Spring countries, it's going to take a few years to a generation, to fully recover from such a war. Stay away from the conspiracy sites also, unless you can divorce yourself from the issues and just take in all views, with a skeptical mind.

I believe, i believe, i really REALLY BELIEVE!!! *wishes it were true*

there is a reason that wikileaks exists :p
 
More than 100,000 killed so far in conflict

More than 100,000 people have been killed in Syria since the beginning of the country's uprising in March 2011, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights watchdog said in a new toll on Wednesday.

The Observatory said the toll was now 100,191 people, with at least 36,661 civilians killed, along with 25,000 regime troops and 18,072 rebel fighters. The remainder comprise pro-regime militiamen, unidentified victims and Hezbollah fighters.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 26 Jun 2013 09:45
 
I think if assad steps down we will more of this:

Libya has become a major transit hub for “the main terrorist groups” traveling from one country to the other, Jose Madeira, the African Union’s (AU) special representative in charge of counter-terrorism, warned. Speaking on the sidelines of a regional security meeting in Algeria, Madeira continued that terrorists groups active in Mali had come to consider Libya as a refuge to reorganize. After the fall of Muammar Gaddafi in October 2011, the post revolution government has struggled to impose security in the porous, North African state. The European Union has offered assistance in tightening border security, but the weak central government makes such a project “very difficult,” AFP cites Western sources as saying.

rt.com

terror hub but i could mistaken and alqueda/ alnusa would suddenly become peaceful terror groups.

You keep mentioning egypt as a success, why have the US deployed 500 troops and why are israel/egypt are getting ready for major shyte on june 30th? Two success stories, i really don't think either country are success stories.
 
Rice leaves UN with final blast over Syria 'Disgrace'

US ambassador Susan Rice left the United Nations on Tuesday slamming the Security Council's failure to act over the worsening Syria conflict as a "moral and strategic disgrace."

But while Rice criticized Russia and China for their veto of resolutions on the Syria war, she said it was not inevitable that relations with Russia would continue to sour.

Rice, who moves to become President Barack Obama's national security advisor, said: "The repeated failure of the Security Council to unify on the crucial issue of Syria I think is a stain on this body and something that I will forever regret."

"The council's inaction on Syria is a moral and strategic disgrace that history will judge harshly," Rice told reporters after making her farewells to other UN envoys after four and a half years as US ambassador.

Russia and China have three times used their vetoes as permanent members of the Security Council to block western-proposed resolutions that would have increased pressure on President Bashar al-Assad.

Rice stressed that there were no sanctions or threats of force in the proposed resolutions which she called "very mild."

"Yet we have been paralyzed, and I don't know how in any circumstance one could ascribe that to a failure of US policy or US leadership, when the vast majority of the council was ready and willing to move ahead."

Russia and China accused the United States, France and Britain of only seeking regime change in Syria, where the United Nations says more than 93,000 people have been killed in the past 27 months.

Rice said tougher sanctions against Iran and North Korea had been a Security Council success and showed it was possible to work with Russia, which could become a key dossier in her new White House job.

At Rice's final closed consultations, Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin read out a mock council statement which "expressed relief" at Rice's departure, according to diplomats at the meeting.

Russia is a "complex" relationship, Rice acknowledged to reporters after the good natured farewell from her rival envoy.

"While there are certainly important points of divergence, and there have been points of friction and there undoubtedly will be in the future, I am not prepared to predict that that is inevitable," she said.

"On issues as important as Iran and North Korea, and many others, we have been able to find common ground and effect outcomes that have been beneficial," Rice said.

Samantha Power, a White House advisor, has been named as the new UN ambassador and is awaiting Congress confirmation.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 26 Jun 2013 04:56
 
Saudis press Kerry for Hard Line on Syria 'genocide'

Saudi Arabia urged global action to end Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime, telling US Secretary of State John Kerry the civil war had turned into "genocide" as fierce fighting raged in Damascus.

In the Syrian capital Tuesday the army pressed a major assault to crush rebels around the capital, a monitoring group and activists said.

And in the contested city of Aleppo in the country's north, rebels attempted to advance into western regime-held districts, sparking clashes with government forces, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

"The army is trying to take over Qaboon, Barzeh, Jubar, Al-Hajar Al-Aswad and Yarmuk," said Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman, referring to neighbourhoods in the northern, eastern and southern outskirts of the capital.

"The army doesn't have the capacity to take over these neighbourhoods, and the rebels are fighting back. But the humanitarian situation there is catastrophic," Abdel Rahman told AFP.

Kerry met leaders of the Sunni Arab monarchy as part of a regional tour in which he has called for greater support for Syria's rebels but stressed that Washington ultimately wants a political solution that includes all sides.

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told Kerry that Assad, a secular leader who belongs to the Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam, has waged "genocide" through the more than two-year conflict that has claimed nearly 100,000 lives.

"The kingdom demands a clear, unequivocal international resolution that bans any sort of weapons support for the Syrian regime and declares null and void the legitimacy of that regime," Faisal said at a joint news conference.

"The regime's illegitimacy eliminates any possibility of it being part of any arrangement or playing any role whatsoever in shaping the present and future," he said.

Faisal voiced dismay at the role of rival Iran, which has poured assistance to Assad to save its main Arab ally. Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite Muslim group backed by Iran, is fighting in support of Syrian government forces.

"Syria is facing two things -- unprecedented genocide in this region and a foreign invasion," Faisal said. "What led to this situation are simple and basic demands by the Syrians to make their lives a little better."

Kerry has previously voiced fears of "ethnic cleansing" in Syria. But concern also lies among many Alawites and other minorities who believe Assad's fall would unleash a torrent of revenge attacks by militants from the Sunni majority.

President Barack Obama has vowed to step up support for the rebels after concluding that Assad defied warnings and used chemical weapons. But he is cautious about deeper involvement in an increasingly sectarian conflict.

US policymakers have privately expressed concern that Saudi Arabia and fellow monarchy Qatar could embrace hardline Sunni guerrillas, especially if they sense that Western support to mainstream rebels is ineffective.

Asked about Saudi Arabia's role, Faisal said the kingdom would help the rebels "in the most effective way that we can".

"The only restriction there is on the aid we can give to the Syrian opposition is our ability to help," he said.

Despite Faisal's tough line, Kerry said the United States supports an agreement last year in Geneva that would create a transitional government that includes both the rebels and regime, although not Assad himself.

"We believe that the best solution is a political solution in which the people of Syria have an opportunity to be able to make a choice about their future," Kerry said.

UN peace envoy to Syria Lakhdar Brahimi said in Geneva on Tuesday a fresh peace conference would probably not take place in July as hoped for.

"Frankly, I doubt that the conference will take place in July," he told reporters ahead of a second meeting with US and Russian diplomats.

Meanwhile US ambassador Susan Rice left the United Nations on Tuesday slamming the Security Council's failure to act over the worsening Syria conflict as a "moral and strategic disgrace."

Rice, who moves to become President Barack Obama's national security advisor, said: "The repeated failure of the Security Council to unify on the crucial issue of Syria I think is a stain on this body and something that I will forever regret."

Saudi Arabia, while a longstanding US ally and oil provider, practises a puritanical form of Wahhabi Islam and has some of the world's most sweeping restrictions on freedom of religion.

Kerry also used his day trip to Jeddah to compare notes on the Middle East peace process -- one of his key priorities -- and on the chaotic politics of Egypt, where Saudi Arabia is considered to hold influence.

Kerry voiced hope that weekend demonstrations planned against President Mohamed Morsi would be peaceful and encouraged action by the government on measures including structural reforms to revive a moribund economy.

Kerry arrived later Tuesday in Kuwait and heads Wednesday to Jordan. He added a stop for Saturday in the United Arab Emirates, his spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 26 Jun 2013 04:37
 
When russia decides to remove or intervene in bahrain i would if the US would veto it or support it? Somehow i doubt they would overly keen to see russia enforce a regime change where there base sits even though it badly needs a change.
 
I think if assad steps down we will more of this:



rt.com

terror hub but i could mistaken and alqueda/ alnusa would suddenly become peaceful terror groups.

You keep mentioning egypt as a success, why have the US deployed 500 troops and why are israel/egypt are getting ready for major shyte on june 30th? Two success stories, i really don't think either country are success stories.

Where would you rather live; Egypt/Libya or Syria? I also never said Egypt and Libya were perfect, I readily acknowledged that they have issues, but they have not been shattered like Syria has.

The fall of iron-handed dictators usually results in a power vacuum and what you have to hope is that it doesn't all fall out of the bus while the country finds its feet.
 
US ambassador Susan Rice left the United Nations on Tuesday slamming the Security Council's failure to act over the worsening Syria conflict as a "moral and strategic disgrace."

But while Rice criticized Russia and China for their veto of resolutions on the Syria war, she said it was not inevitable that relations with Russia would continue to sour.

Rice, who moves to become President Barack Obama's national security advisor, said: "The repeated failure of the Security Council to unify on the crucial issue of Syria I think is a stain on this body and something that I will forever regret."

"The council's inaction on Syria is a moral and strategic disgrace that history will judge harshly," Rice told reporters after making her farewells to other UN envoys after four and a half years as US ambassador.

The same crowd who were the biggest UN cheerleaders and spent the Dubya years dissing his administration's unilateralism. :o

Assad was the poster child for their 'soft power' foreign policy.....

In 2007, the State Department told Speaker Pelosi that it did not want her to visit Syria, which was listed as a state sponsor of terror based on its support for Hezbollah and Hamas, and was fueling violence in Iraq by allowing Sunni insurgents to operate from its territory. Pelosi went anyway, donning a flowered head scarf and a black abaya robe, and spending hours talking with Assad. “We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace,” Pelosi idiotically declared.

As USA Today reported at the time, in the years just prior to Pelosi’s visit, the Bush administration had largely succeeded in efforts to isolate Assad, as our European and Arab allies shunned the dictator. But Pelosi’s visit signaled the end of that success.

President Bush denounced the visit for that reason. And even the Washington Post stated in an editorial (“Pratfall in Damascus”) that “Ms. Pelosi’s attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.”

But Pelosi’s foolishness wasn’t confined to sabotaging U.S. policy. The Speaker also tried to sandbag Israel. Before going to Syria, Pelosi had met with top Israeli officials including then-Prime Minister Olmert. When she reached Damascus, that destination city on the “road to peace,” Pelosi told Assad that Olmert wanted to relay the message that Israel is ready for peace talks with Syria.

Olmert’s office quickly made clear that it had given Pelosi no message to convey to Assad, and that his message to Pelosi was that Israel considers Syria “part of the axis of evil and a party encouraging terrorism in the entire Middle East.” Pelosi was no more receptive to the wise words of the Prime Minister of Israel than she had been to those of the American President.

Pelosi is a lightweight when it comes to substantive policy. But John Kerry, head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is considered by many to be at least a middle weight with respect to foreign policy. Yet, he was an enamored with Assad as the “foolish” Speaker was.

In fact, Kerry visited Damascus before Pelosi, also over objections from the Bush administration, in December 2006. Thus, he was a natural choice to assist the Obama administration when, within a month of his inauguration, the new president decided to reach out to the dictator of Syria.

After meeting with Assad in Damascus, the sophisticate from Massachusetts stated, with his customary pretentiousness:

Let me just say that I am . . . absolutely convinced that carefully calibrated diplomacy, that if that is what we engage in, that Syria will play a very important role in achieving a comprehensive peace in the region and in putting an end to the five decades of conflict that have plagued everybody in this region. That’s our hope, that’s our challenge, and we’re committed to continue to work at it.

Kerry’s “carefully calibrated diplomacy” consisted of serving Assad’s purposes by lobbying for Israel to give up the Golan Heights in exchange for the right to talk with Assad. Fortunately, Israel didn’t share Kerry’s longing for face-time with the tyrant.

Kerry was acting in concert with the Obama administration, which desperately wanted good relations with Syria. Obama appointed a new ambassador to Damascus, ending a five-year hiatus. He also authorized the U.S. to sell Syria plane parts to repair two aging Boeing 747s, despite Washington’s trade sanctions. In the words of the Wall Street Journal at the time, “engagement with Syria has become a central tenet of the Obama administration’s Mideast policy.”

The efforts of Pelosi, Kerry, and Obama were based on the myth that, unlike his father, Assad was “a reformer.” Indeed, Secretary of State Clinton was still clinging to that myth last year, after the revolt against Assad was already underway. Ms. Clinton cited reports from U.S. lawmakers who have visited Damascus. Presumably, she had in mind the likes of Speaker Pelosi and Senator Kerry.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...-for-their-criminal-stupidity-about-syria.php
 
Where would you rather live; Egypt/Libya or Syria? I also never said Egypt and Libya were perfect, I readily acknowledged that they have issues, but they have not been shattered like Syria has.

The fall of iron-handed dictators usually results in a power vacuum and what you have to hope is that it doesn't all fall out of the bus while the country finds its feet.

None of them, all 3 countries are fked. I would flee all three. If i had to choose libya and syria would be out and egypt i would go live there but geez i would not enjoy it. I would never live in an arab run country though. i enjoy the freedom the ANC allows me.
 
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