The Syrian Conflict Thread

Space_Chief said:
A ceasefire is on the cards. Assad has said he's willing to go at elections. Russians have also said they're willing for something like that.

This is not an existential war between Nazi Germany and Mother Russia. This can be stopped and compromise can be reached. Of course it's too much for some who will get an attack of the vapours. Of course it is an existential war against ISIL. Those guys are not likely to compromise and join a power sharing govt. They're more radicalised than the Taliban and in fact are making in-roads against the Taliban too.
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Yeah terrorists don't want anything to do with elections and the FSA seems to be miles away from cooperating with Russia and Assad at this stage.
 
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Are you pro despot Assad?
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I'm pro peace and stability. If Assad brings that about, then yes I think he should stay until a truly democratic government is created which looks first and foremost out for the interests of the people of Syria.

You must remember that Assad has popular support. And his party supported the minorities including various Christian minorities who will be fscked over in the Muslim Brotherhood comes to power.

If Assad is deposed all hell will break lose as ISIL and Al Nusra will be the dominant powers. Do you want Syria to become ISIL or Al Qaeda controlled?
 
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Now to you Seriously. Why is the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights credible? Is it an unbiased source?
 
Unhappy438 said:
Yeah terrorists don't want anything to do with elections and the FSA seems to be miles away from cooperating with Russia and Assad at this stage.
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Then I suggest the FSA swallow their pride and co-operate. That can end most of the bloodshed outside of the ISIL and Al Qaeda areas immediately.
 
Space_Chief said:
Now to you Seriously. Why is the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights credible? Is it an unbiased source?
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How would I know? What I question is that when anyone post videos, information, news and pictures from any source in the western media then it's a 9/11 type suspect source yet RT and Al Jazeera are heiled by the same apologists.
 
Space_Chief said:
Now to you Seriously. Why is the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights credible? Is it an unbiased source?
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Which agency based in Syria, reporting in Syria is truly unbiased? Its not like we have an OSCE type organisation operating from out of there. Anyone can make just about any claims about any of the sources supposed credibility, such is the quagmire of Syria.

Space_Chief said:
Then I suggest the FSA swallow their pride and co-operate. That can end most of the bloodshed outside of the ISIL and Al Qaeda areas immediately.
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Yeah as if its as easy as that, you're talking about guys that have been fighting for four years and have lost their entire families to Assad. They certainly dont trust Russia or Assad. They are most likely going to need more than just some kind of sketchy vote as well, i cant even imagine how that would work.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Which agency based in Syria, reporting in Syria is truly unbiased? Its not like we have an OSCE type organisation operating from out of there. Anyone can make just about any claims about any of the sources supposed credibility, such is the quagmire of Syria.
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OK, as long as we keep that in mind and take whatever they say with a pinch of salt.

BTW the Western media is also biased. How do I know? Because when they report things I have personal on the ground knowledge of they push ideology and even lie by quoting propagandists. One can easily see the hatred.
 
Space_Chief said:
OK, as long as we keep that in mind and take whatever they say with a pinch of salt.

BTW the Western media is also biased. How do I know? Because when they report things I have personal on the ground knowledge of they push ideology and even lie by quoting propagandists. One can easily see the hatred.
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Ok
 
Unhappy438 said:
Yeah as if its as easy as that, you're talking about guys that have been fighting for four years and have lost their entire families to Assad. They certainly dont trust Russia or Assad. They are most likely going to need more than just some kind of sketchy vote as well, i cant even imagine how that would work.
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I would imagine a cease fire is the No 1 priority at the moment as well as a co-ordinated anti-ISIS effort, for the sake of millions of civilians on both sides.

And of course people on both sides have lost loved ones.
 
Space_Chief said:
I would imagine a cease fire is the No 1 priority at the moment as well as a co-ordinated anti-ISIS effort, for the sake of millions of civilians on both sides.

And of course people on both sides have lost loved ones.
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Right but they will need more assurances than just a ceasefire, they will think Russia and Assad will use the ceasefire to be able to reposition their forces. So just a ceasefire wont work, something else would need to take place in conjunction with the ceasefire.

Space_Chief said:
Because they're quoted often enough as though they were reliable and unbiased.
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By that same token you would think RT, Sputnik and Zerohedge are reliable, the amount they get displayed about on this forum.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Which agency based in Syria, reporting in Syria is truly unbiased? Its not like we have an OSCE type organisation operating from out of there. Anyone can make just about any claims about any of the sources supposed credibility, such is the quagmire of Syria.



Yeah as if its as easy as that, you're talking about guys that have been fighting for four years and have lost their entire families to Assad. They certainly dont trust Russia or Assad. They are most likely going to need more than just some kind of sketchy vote as well, i cant even imagine how that would work.
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Well if they run around with guns and upload fake pictures, then that's a little clue isn't it?
 
Unhappy438 said:
Right but they will need more assurances than just a ceasefire, they will think Russia and Assad will use the ceasefire to be able to reposition their forces. So just a ceasefire wont work, something else would need to take place in conjunction with the ceasefire.
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Those things can be ironed out. Didn't the Russians want peace talks between Assad and opposition. Nothing is stopping Obama and Cameron from standing behind the friendly Islamist fighters of the FSA in such talks, or maybe Obama organising talks of his own.

You see this sort of thing makes me uneasy. I would imagine, that a Nobel Laureate would do anything possible including be flexible on an issue which threatens millions and also has the potential to destabilise Europe.


By that same token you would think RT, Sputnik and Zerohedge are reliable, the amount they get displayed about on this forum.
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ZH is just a news aggregator. RT is as reputable as Sky and CNN. They push a lot of propaganda but so does CNN, just that Western outlets are more subtle about it. Sputnik, I don't know. I've never read them.

It's difficult finding anyone one can truly trust these days. BBC is probably the least bad news source.
 
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Space_Chief said:
Those things can be ironed out. Didn't the Russians want peace talks between Assad and opposition. Nothing is stopping Obama and Cameron from standing behind the friendly Islamist fighters of the FSA in such talks, or maybe Obama organising talks of his own.
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Sure but there are so many ifs and its all incredibly complicated at this stage, nowhere near as easy as you seem to imply. I imagine one of the first demands the rebels have will be that Assad cant run if there are to be elections.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Sure but there are so many ifs and its all incredibly complicated at this stage, no where near as easy as you seem to imply. I imagine one of the first demands the rebels have will be that Assad cant run if there are to be elections.
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I believe Assad has said he could step down.

And the Russians had in the past worked out such a deal:
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.676007

The West basically told them to f-off.
 
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