The War against Islam

The first crusade was a direct response to Islams invasion of spain.
 
w1z4rd said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

Another snippit from that page:

Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilizations (Penguin 1988/1963, p. 232-236), Islamic rule in India as a "colonial experiment" was "extremely violent", and "the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves."

Of course AL... Islam is _always_ the victim isnt it? ;) Freeken colonials.. what were you saying about them again?
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Well I'm against this sort of thing, just shows what happens when religious people are put in power.

From the same article...
United States of America

Hindu immigrants, constitute approximately 0.5% of the total population. They are also the second most affluent religious group after the Jews. Hindus in USA enjoy both de jure and de facto legal equality. However, it is widely acknowledged that the Hindu community in USA became more politically active after a series of attacks by a street gang called the "Dotbusters" in the New Jersey area in the year 1987.[106].The lackadaisical attitude of the Police, prompted the South Asian community to arrange small groups all across the state to fight back against the street gang. The perpetrators, have been put to trial.

On the 12th of July, 2007, Rajan Zed, made history by being the first ever Chaplain to deliver Hindu Invocations to the Nevada Senate. This, however, was marred by vocal protests by members of the right wing Christian organization Operation Save America.[107].The organization later confirmed that Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were arrested from the chambers "as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu God." Right wing Historian David Barton justified the protests on the grounds that the prayers were "polytheistic" and contrary to the beliefs of the Founding Fathers of America.[108]
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What is good to know is that the average person in the west does not want a religious war with anyone, this is evident with the US electing Obama and majority being against the Iraq war, it's those religious few who work their way into powerful institutions that create turmoil on all sides.
 
Aqua_lung said:
http://nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

Pretty fundamentalist if you ask me...
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Aqua.. As any good polititian, hitler adopted the teaching of christianity when it suited him to manipulate the christian masses in Germany during the day. In Secret he was a follower of the occult teachings and prophecies of Madame Blavatsky. Also lookup Thule Society of which Hitler and his top officials were members, which indoctrinated the SS and Himmler supported it's ideology.

Just like many religious leaders manipulate their sheep today, and how polititians do today with the fight against good and evil (terrorism), but from the view of each side they are fighting against terrorists/evil.

Works like a charm, just the west has the better propaganda machine, and they have hollywood, which has indoctrinated all westerners into hating muslims.

These are very far from the teachings of Buddha and Jesus, who encourage love thy neighbour.
 
Aqua_lung said:
What is good to know is that the average person in the west does not want a religious war with anyone, this is evident with the US electing Obama and majority being against the Iraq war, it's those religious few who work their way into powerful institutions that create turmoil on all sides.
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Like those religious extremist Democrats who voted for it *cough* Hillary *cough*. Actually the majority originally supported it. Only you rabid leftists, Islamic extremists and a handful Christian nutters think it's a religious war.

So you don't believe it was for oil then? :erm:
 
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McSack said:
That's not fundamentalism dude ... it's the insane rantings of a magalomaniac
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Semantics...
Fieldy said:
Aqua.. As any good polititian, hitler adopted the teaching of christianity when it suited him to manipulate the christian masses in Germany during the day. In Secret he was a follower of the occult teachings and prophecies of Madame Blavatsky. Also lookup Thule Society of which Hitler and his top officials were members, which indoctrinated the SS and Himmler supported it's ideology.
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I'd rather accept his own words rather than trust theories in conspiracy books to be honest.
 
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czc said:
The first crusade was a direct response to Islams invasion of spain.
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Not really... the crusades happened a few hundred years later, Christians took back spain soon after, the Crusades came later.
 
Wasn't it Muslims who attacked Byzantines, Visigoths and Franks ?
 
samuelp said:
Wasn't it Muslims who attacked Byzantines, Visigoths and Franks ?
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and got their asses kicked, they really knew how to war in those days, not like the wars today.. all bunny hugging peace keeping nonsense, that is what god is far, kill them all and let god sort out the good and the bad.
 
What about Hitler?



Was He a Christian or a Nazi?


So, the fact that Hitler occasionally referenced Christianity is not necessarily a sign of personal religious fervor (nor is it an indication of religious sanction). There is no compelling reason to believe it to be anything more than the same cynical ploy used by most leaders to appeal to the deepest passions of their people at critical moments regardless of the inconsistency that their national goals may have with religious teachings.

For honest inquirers then, the fundamental question becomes: What motivated Hitler, and were his actions justified by Christian teachings?


These questions are rarely explored by those who make allegations of a "Christian Holocaust" in hit-and-run fashion. Part of this is because people simply prefer to believe what they prefer to believe. There is no point in discovering whether a belief is right or wrong as long as it serves a personal interest or provides comfort (ironically, the very charge made by critics of religion). But another reason is the seductive appeal that useful clichés (no matter how hollow) often have against intellectual inquiry, which requires greater effort to pursue.

As an example of the perils of this sort of mental laziness, TROP often notes that the same people who write to us alleging that the Nazis were a Christian army in World War II are also prone to accuse the Americans of being a Christian army in Iraq. Perhaps they are dimly aware that the Americans destroyed the Nazi war machine in 1945 (and liberated the concentration camps), but their bulb never seems to burns bright enough to illuminate the contradiction.

Muslims who write often forget that Hitler was well received in the Islamic world, where his legacy of killing Jews for the sake of killing Jews is still alive and well. And, although Mein Kamph certainly provides the philosophical underpinnings of the slaughter that followed, it doesn't actually order the killing of Jews in the way that the Qur'an bluntly commands the physical slaying of non-Muslims.
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Frankie, you seem to mistake objectivity for a religious agenda.

True, the Muslims have a bit of an "alternative", sometimes brutally cruel and nutty, way of doing things. But remember that many Muslims do things not at all sanctioned by their goodbook. In theory, Islam really is the religion of peace, at least from what I've read about it.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is such an irony. The term is used to connote violent, extremist terrorists who use their religion as an explanation for their crimes while "true" Islamic fundamentalism is actually about peace and acceptance of others.

As far as I know, Christians and Jews living in Iran have a special type of protection, set down by the Koran (sp?). They are considered equal to Muslims in the country and they may not be prosecuted for their religion.

Well, that's the theory at least. :D

The fact remains that humans will be humans and will do their evil deeds while hiding behind some shield. Some people call theirs "patriotism" (which can be just as dangerous and discriminating as religious extremism!), others call it "freedom" and so on.

But why do you accuse aqua of being a Muslim "in hiding", if all he is doing is pointing out both sides of the argument?
 
Arbiter said:
Frankie, you seem to mistake objectivity for a religious agenda.

True, the Muslims have a bit of an "alternative", sometimes brutally cruel and nutty, way of doing things. But remember that many Muslims do things not at all sanctioned by their goodbook. In theory, Islam really is the religion of peace, at least from what I've read about it.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is such an irony. The term is used to connote violent, extremist terrorists who use their religion as an explanation for their crimes while "true" Islamic fundamentalism is actually about peace and acceptance of others.

As far as I know, Christians and Jews living in Iran have a special type of protection, set down by the Koran (sp?). They are considered equal to Muslims in the country and they may not be prosecuted for their religion.

Well, that's the theory at least. :D
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And it will remain just that, a theory, until such time as we are shown different by their actions, and condemnation of the dastardly acts that their brothers commit in the name of religion.


Lets see if we can get some honest responses to this:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2407622&postcount=505
 
Arbiter said:
But why do you accuse aqua of being a Muslim "in hiding", if all he is doing is pointing out both sides of the argument?
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That he certainly does not. Its his single biggest unreasonable hypocrisy. Most other matters he can balance data. Not here.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Semantics...


I'd rather accept his own words rather than trust theories in conspiracy books to be honest.
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The date of the quote you posted:

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
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But as the Nazi party got more support Hitler started openly distancing himself from christianity.

Some of the quotes posted by Fieldy, notice the date:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
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10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.
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14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... -Agreed :eek:
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Some more to be found here
 
Fieldy said:
Just like many religious leaders manipulate their sheep today, and how polititians do today with the fight against good and evil (terrorism), but from the view of each side they are fighting against terrorists/evil.

Works like a charm, just the west has the better propaganda machine, and they have hollywood, which has indoctrinated all westerners into hating muslims.

These are very far from the teachings of Buddha and Jesus, who encourage love thy neighbour.
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Agree with you here.
 
Grav!ty said:
Many of the comments here are offensive and constitute direct violations or border on being violations of the Bill of Rights paragraph 16. (2) (c).
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I think you mean section 16 :p

Freedom of expression is allowed on the forum something a little different than hate speech.
 
Balstrome said:
It's not hate speech, it's an alternate point of view that you disagree with, just like this is.
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heh

Did not imply it was hate speech but if you read the subsection of the BoR, posted by Gravity, Gravity is basically implying that this thread is full of hate speech.
 
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