The War against Islam

[d0b33]

The date of the quote you posted:

The conception of the new Movement, whose fundamentals can be expressed in a single sentence: "The Lord helps those who help themselves," opposed this. That is not only a very pious phrase, but a very just one. For one cannot assume that God exists to help people who are too cowardly and too lazy to help themselves and think that God exists only to make up for the weakness of mankind. He does not exist for that purpose. He has always, at all times, blessed only those who were prepared to fight their own battles....

Providence has not led us along these amazing paths in vain. On the day that the party was founded I recalled that our nation once gained immense victories. Then it became ungrateful, disunited, sinned against itself. Thereupon it was punished by Providence. We deserved our defeat. If a nation forgets itself as completely as the German nation did at that time, if it thinks that it can shake off all honor and all good faith, Providence can do nothing but teach it a hard and bitter lesson. But even at that time we were convinced that once our nation found itself again, once it again became industrious and honorable, once each individual German stood up for his nation first and not for himself, once he placed the interests of the community above his own personal interests, once the whole nation again pursued a great ideal, once it was prepared to stake everything for this ideal, the hour would come when the Lord would declare our trials at an end.

If fate should once more call us to the battlefield, the blessing of Providence will be with those who have merited it by years of hard work. When I compare myself and my opponents in other countries in the light of history, I do not fear the verdict on our respective mentalities. Who are these egoists? Each one of them merely defends the interests of his class. Behind them all stands either the Jew or their own moneybags. They are all nothing but money-grubbers, living on the profits of this war. No blessing can come of that. I oppose these people merely as the 0 champion of my country. I am convinced that our struggle will in the future be blessed by Providence, as it has been blessed up to now.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 24 Feb. 1941

yeah, notice the date...

 

[Alan]

Many of the comments here are offensive and constitute direct violations or border on being violations of the Bill of Rights paragraph 16. (2) (c).

Why is it that the moderators and management of mybroadband look the other way and allow this kind of behavior to go unchecked in thread after thread and in doing so, to expose themselves and the site to possible complaints to the Human Rights Commission?

Typical. Go run to the HRC in the name [-]political correctness[/-] censorship

 

[STS]

there is a difference between censorship and bullying. islam can and should be criticised, just like everything can and should be criticised, and as someone who finds the idea of islam beautiful, i appreciate Aqua_lungs comments and posts.

maybe the irritability comes from one side wanting the other to agree that there is a lot of evil done in the name of islam, and the other that not every practitioner of islam is a rabid monster. but this is a far far removed from hate speech, and if you want to see hate speech you only need to go to Facebook and search for groups on islam

 

[d0b33]

That he certainly does not. Its his single biggest unreasonable hypocrisy. Most other matters he can balance data. Not here.

What hypocrisy? I have never praised Islam or covered up for it, I speak up against the campaign of hate towards a religion.

I'll be honest I do pick on Christianity but that's because I feel abused by it for being lied to most of my life only to find out none of it's true.

 

[JerryMungo]

Whats up in here peeps...
oh... same old
Lots of people foaming at the mouth

 

[Fieldy]

Semantics...


I'd rather accept his own words rather than trust theories in conspiracy books to be honest.

Aqua_lung, regarding the assertion that Hitler being anti Christianity being a conspiracy, perhaps you should look a bit deeper into the subject. Because simply dismissing it as a conspiracy isn't something that someone with a curious investigative mind should do.

These claims that hitler was Anti-Christian are found in "[ame=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1929631065/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk]Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944[/ame]" and was written by [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trevor-Roper]Hugh Trevor-Roper[/ame] and he was British Secret Service and a Historian on Nazi Germany. Among his many missions he was responsible for the following.

During World War II, Trevor-Roper served as an officer in the Radio Security Service of the Secret Intelligence Service, and then on the interception of messages from the German intelligence service, the Abwehr.

In November 1945, Trevor-Roper was ordered by Dick White of MI6 to investigate the circumstances of Adolf Hitler's death and to rebut the propaganda of the Soviet government that Hitler was alive and living somewhere in the West. Using the alias of Major Oughton, Trevor-Roper interviewed the last people to have been present in the bunker with Hitler, and who had been able to escape at the last minute, including Bernd Freytag von Loringhoven.

It can be said that it is settled that Hitler was NOT a Christian and he in Fact Dispised Christianity, and this can be found in the many quotes that he made in private meetings with his top ranking army officials, of which the minutes were retrieved by the Allies after WW2.

Some more Quotes:

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

A reader asks,"Where did the quotes from Hitler's Secret Conversations come from? How do we know that they are accurate?"

Hitler's Secret Conversations is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. They are a collection of hand written notes made by Martin Bormann who was Hitler's personal secretary during the war. Bormann is known to have been an extraordinarily powerful figure in Nazi Germany and a notorious opponent of Christianity.

There is no real dispute regarding the authenticity of these notes. They are what Borrman wrote. They are published in the original German in Adolf Hitler, Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944. published by Orbis Verlag, Hamburg, Approved Special Edition in 2000.

The quotes are disputed by some because Hitler is often quoted as publically professing to be a Christian. The simplest reconciliation of this seeming contradiction is that Hitler lied to gain the support of the German people, 90% of whom where professing Christians.

What follows is an excerpt from "Inside the Third Reich" by Hitler's chief architect and minister of Armaments, Albert Speer. It illuminates how Hitler "adapted his remarks to his surroundings", thus making himself a friend of the church when it was convenient. It is also another independent witness to Hitler's true feeling regarding Christianity -- it was meek and flabby, Germany would have been better off if Islam had conquered Europe after the battle of Tours, and that Germany had the misfortune of having the wrong religion.

From Inside the Third Reich, Memiors by Albert Speer, Translated from the German by Richard and Clara Winston, Avon Publishers, 1970:

What remains in my memory of social life at Obersalzberg is a curious vacuity. Fortunately, during my first years of imprisonment, while my recollections were still fresh, I noted down a few scraps of conversations which I can now regard as reasonably authentic....

Amid his political associates in Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church, but in the presence of women he adopted a milder tone -- one of the instances where he adapted his remarks to his surroundings.

"The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element," he might say at one time or another in this private circle. However, he conceived of the church as an instrument that could be useful to him. "If only Reibi [this was his nickname for Reich Bishop Ludwig Müller] had some kind of stature. But why do they appoint a nobody of an army chaplain? I'd be glad to give him my full support. Think of all he could do with that. Through me the Evangelical [Protestant] Church could become the established church, as in England."

Even after 1942 Hitler went on maintaining that he regarded the church as indispensable in political life. He would be happy, he said in one of those teatime talks at Obersalzberg, if someday a prominent churchman turned up who was suited to lead one of the churches -- or if possible both the Catholic and Protestant churches reunited. He still regretted that Reich Bishop Müller was not the right man to carry out his far-reaching plans. But he sharply condemned the campaign against the church, calling it a crime against the future of the nation. For it was impossible, he said, to replace the church by any "party ideology." Undoubtedly, he continued, the church would learn to adapt to the political goals of National Socialism in the long run, as it had always adapted in the course of history. A new party religion would only bring about a relapse into the mysticism of the Middle Ages. The growing SS myth showed that clearly enough, as did Rosenburg's unreadable Myth of the Twentieth Century.

If in the course of such a monologue Hitler had pronounced a more negative judgment upon the church, Bormann would undoubtedly have taken from his jacket pocket one of the white cards he always carried with him. For he noted down all Hitler's remarks that seemed to him important; and there was hardly anything he wrote down more eagerly than deprecating comments on the church. At the time I assumed that he was gathering material for a biography of Hitler.

Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.

 

[d0b33]

It can be said that it is settled that Hitler was NOT a Christian and he in Fact Dispised Christianity, and this can be found in the many quotes that he made in private meetings with his top ranking army officials, of which the minutes were retrieved by the Allies after WW2.

Some more Quotes:

Could be, even Mother Theresa in private letters said there was no God but because she is such a respected figure Christians deny this, Hitler and the Nazis had there own brand of Christianity called Positive Christianity.

In the US there is a movement called The Family which I see as another incarnation of the same ideology.

 

[JerryMungo]

Could be, even Mother Theresa in private letters said there was no God but because she is such a respected figure Christians deny this, Hitler and the Nazis had there own brand of Christianity called Positive Christianity.

In the US there is a movement called The Family which I see as another incarnation of the same ideology.

What does Mother Theresa have to do with it? lol

 

[w1z4rd]

What hypocrisy?

Right here.

I have never praised Islam or covered up for it, I speak up against the campaign of hate towards a religion.

I'll be honest I do pick on Christianity but that's because I feel abused by it for being lied to most of my life only to find out none of it's true.

 

[d0b33]

Right here.

Like I said... I was honest

But I support religious tolerance, I only attack the rzas of this world.

 

[d0b33]

Modern Day

More recently, Western support for the continued existence of the State of Israel has been declared part of the war against Islam.

Enver Masud, an Indian Muslim and author of the book The War on Islam complains that while there are no Muslims in high-level policy making and media jobs in the United States, "Jewish American occupy nearly every single position relating to US Arab-Israeli policy."

source

 

[JK8]

source

Jewish lobby...
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/jewishlobby.shtml

They a powerful bunch.

 

[grayston]

It can be said that it is settled that Hitler was NOT a Christian and he in Fact Dispised Christianity, and this can be found in the many quotes that he made in private meetings with his top ranking army officials, of which the minutes were retrieved by the Allies after WW2.

Moot point, move along now. Whether Hitler was a Christian or not makes no difference. Non-christians aren't Hitlers and never will be.

 

[smokey]

Like I said... I was honest

But I support religious tolerance, I only attack the rzas of this world.

Doubtful...

 

[Alan]

source

Just the father of the current president was a Muslim :erm: