murraybiscuit
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I'm not sure that Mugabe needed to rig anything. I reckon the populace would have voted him back in regardless. I think we need to coin a term for Stockholm Syndrome at a political level.
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The Zimbabwe 2013 Elections Thread
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TelkomUseless
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I think most Zim people are in SA.
killadoob
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Now who said that you cannot buy an election....
Wonder if those SA observers are actual observers and or whether they are ANC members who went to see how things 'should' be done seeing as we have upcoming elections.....
If i was the ANC i would be checking whether it is rigging or whether mugabe actually has the support. JUJU incoming. So if it was free and fair and the people voted him for him, stress time for ANC but i don't believe for one second mugabe has won an election on merit since 2000 even before then perhaps.
I know though the zimbo's are well educated, well the ones prior to the 2000 destruction of Zimbabwe, i don't know a single zimbo who likes mugabe. I know plenty zimbo's as well. Not hundreds but at least 20-30 have worked/work for our family, not a single one likes mugabe or wants him in power. I don't think mugabe winning elections is really based on anything but fraud and rigging. It is a fact that he rigs the elections. It is the only way he can stay in power and no mila Zimbabweans are not retards, they are well spoken, educated and hard working. Well that has been my experience, they don't come across entitled either.
Instead of questioning whether zimbo's are retarded we should be questioning why organizations like the UN avoid forcing mugabe to allow them to ensure free and fair elections. The UN however really should be forcing the issue. The AU is a bloody joke.
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AU election observers have just declared them free and fair 
Grant
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I cant see our country being much different in 25 years.
The masses will probably like sheep, keep voting for the "liberation" movement - no matter the extent of fraud, corruption and mismanagement taking place.
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2014 will be a clear indication how the wind will blow...for the next 25....think, the mighty ANC will come to realise, that fewer drink the koolaid.
OrbitalDawn
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Nah, I don't think so. As the old die off and the ANC loses its 'guilt people into voting for them' angle their support will taper down.
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You are aware, perhaps, of the cost implications for Zimbabweans to return? The majority are part-time or minimimum wage earners, who need their jobs in South Africa to support their families back in Zim.
Leaving South Africa to go to vote in a clearly meaningless election is both a waste of money and time.
As for "whimpering snot heads" let's talk about the South African government, who are doing their damndest to placate Mugabe - going so far as fighting to keep a report of the last rigged election out of the public eye.
As the regional power, RSA should be leaning heavily on Mugabe. Instead they are lying on their backs.
Grant
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Hell, I sincerely hope so.
But history seems to have a way of repeating itself, especially where african politics is concerned.
Cius
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What a tragedy. There is no way that intimidation and vote rigging is not a major part of what is going on right now. Still, most Bob haters have left Zimbabwe, especially the Ndebele. Many of those left behind seem to like the old dictator. This is the problem when you don't have a free press. The president is the only person who gets to speak so the people's worldview is skewed towards him just like in North Korea or any other tin pot dictatorship country.
Grant
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One can almost hear the bark of the "elder" statesman (who is to be obeyed at all times) :
"ASSUME THE POSITION"
LazyLion
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Election was 'credible', AU Observer Mission Chief says
Zimbabwe's election was credible and fair, the chief of the African Union observer mission said Friday, but the bloc's report noted some problems with the voter roll and of people being turned away from polling booths.
President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF appeared confident of a sweeping victory, while the rival Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) led by Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai has said the "sham" polls would plunge the country into crisis.
"We are very happy this morning. We are very confident and excited. We think there is a sense of victory for us," ZANU-PF spokesman Rugare Gumbo told dpa.
He said the party expected to get between 130 and 140 seats in the 210-member parliament.
Results from about 30 per cent of seats in parliament showed Zanu-PF taking a strong early lead, with 52 to the MDC's 10.
Mugabe's party managed to wrest control of some urban constituencies previously held by the rival MDC.
The final results of Wednesday's election must be announced by Monday.
Local elections observers noted there were serious problems with the voters roll in urban areas - long considered MDC strongholds.
Tsvangirai has declared the elections to be "null and void" because of allegations of vote rigging.
Zanu-PF insists the poll were conducted in a "free and fair" manner, as does the Zimbabwe Election Commission.
In the 2008 election that was marred by violence, Tsvangirai won the first round but did not get enough votes to avoid a run-off. Widespread intimidation, including the deaths of some 200 of his supporters, forced him to pull out of the runoff.
The presidential poll results are only expected in the coming days. If no candidate gets at least 50 per cent of the vote, a second round will be held September 11.
The 89-year-old Mugabe, who has led Zimbabwe since 1980, has vowed to step down if he loses.
Africa's oldest head of state presided over a decade-long economic collapse, in part blamed on his policy of grabbing white-owned farms without compensation and fueling hyper inflation.
Source : Sapa-dpa /pk/aa/clh
Date : 02 Aug 2013 10:28
Zimbabwe's election was credible and fair, the chief of the African Union observer mission said Friday, but the bloc's report noted some problems with the voter roll and of people being turned away from polling booths.
President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF appeared confident of a sweeping victory, while the rival Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) led by Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai has said the "sham" polls would plunge the country into crisis.
"We are very happy this morning. We are very confident and excited. We think there is a sense of victory for us," ZANU-PF spokesman Rugare Gumbo told dpa.
He said the party expected to get between 130 and 140 seats in the 210-member parliament.
Results from about 30 per cent of seats in parliament showed Zanu-PF taking a strong early lead, with 52 to the MDC's 10.
Mugabe's party managed to wrest control of some urban constituencies previously held by the rival MDC.
The final results of Wednesday's election must be announced by Monday.
Local elections observers noted there were serious problems with the voters roll in urban areas - long considered MDC strongholds.
Tsvangirai has declared the elections to be "null and void" because of allegations of vote rigging.
Zanu-PF insists the poll were conducted in a "free and fair" manner, as does the Zimbabwe Election Commission.
In the 2008 election that was marred by violence, Tsvangirai won the first round but did not get enough votes to avoid a run-off. Widespread intimidation, including the deaths of some 200 of his supporters, forced him to pull out of the runoff.
The presidential poll results are only expected in the coming days. If no candidate gets at least 50 per cent of the vote, a second round will be held September 11.
The 89-year-old Mugabe, who has led Zimbabwe since 1980, has vowed to step down if he loses.
Africa's oldest head of state presided over a decade-long economic collapse, in part blamed on his policy of grabbing white-owned farms without compensation and fueling hyper inflation.
Source : Sapa-dpa /pk/aa/clh
Date : 02 Aug 2013 10:28
OrbitalDawn
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Well, I think education is key to this happening faster, and unfortunately the current government's failure has caused a lot of blowback in terms of allowing space for someone like the EFF to seize the minds of the disillusioned. That's one thing that could derail the natural atrophy that would have killed the ANC.
AU election observers have just declared them free and fair
Actually thats not what I heard, they declared it 'credible', which is an interesting choice of a word and does not imply it was free or fair in anyway.
LazyLion
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African Union wants more detail on Zimbabwe Poll
The African Union says it is reserving its judgment on whether Zimbabwe's elections were systematically flawed until details of the disputed vote are clarified.
The head of the AU's 70-member observer mission, Olusegun Obasanjo, said Friday that voting was peaceful but that observers noted "incidences that could have been avoided and even tended to have breached the law."
The mission is asking election authorities in Zimbabwe to investigate reports that large numbers of eligible voters were turned away from polling stations in Wednesday's vote.
The party of President Robert Mugabe is claiming a landslide victory. His main challenger, Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, has alleged massive rigging and declared the election "null and void."
Source : Sapa-AP /pk/aa/clh
Date : 02 Aug 2013 11:30 OrigID : LC358628
The African Union says it is reserving its judgment on whether Zimbabwe's elections were systematically flawed until details of the disputed vote are clarified.
The head of the AU's 70-member observer mission, Olusegun Obasanjo, said Friday that voting was peaceful but that observers noted "incidences that could have been avoided and even tended to have breached the law."
The mission is asking election authorities in Zimbabwe to investigate reports that large numbers of eligible voters were turned away from polling stations in Wednesday's vote.
The party of President Robert Mugabe is claiming a landslide victory. His main challenger, Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, has alleged massive rigging and declared the election "null and void."
Source : Sapa-AP /pk/aa/clh
Date : 02 Aug 2013 11:30 OrigID : LC358628
killadoob
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We all know it will be rigged and mugabe will stay in power or zanupf for that matter. Why they bother voting is beyond me.
killadoob
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If it's rigged does it really matter if you vote? So mugabe will win again and morgan will cry foul and well yea there we go. Back t square one. Time and money wasted.
Going to cast your vote in a rigged election must be terrible though. You know your vote means nothing. They have disputed the outcome time and again without anything happening and it's been declared free and fair by the AU, the flippin AU declare something free and fair while they support governments who steal and ruin the lives of millions. Welcome to africa.