Thoughts on Immigration?

The UK is a great place to go for a couple of years and all that but apparently working visa's are not available to South Africans anymore, unless you can get hold of the little maroon book. I hard America is also awesome as well
 
I have been in the UK for 2 1/2 years. I didnt plan on staying longer than 3 or 4 years, but having lived here and SA, there is no way I will go back to SA by choice.

You can still enter the UK on a Highly Skilled visa. I think they call it Tier 1 now. The only problem is that there are annual caps now. The usually reach their cap within 6 months. The Tier 1 visa and the ancestral visa are the only visa's which you can enter without first having job and be legally able to work. Depending on how the economy improves in the next 2 or 3 years, the cap will be relaxed or scrapped.
 
Morning all :)

So I'm about to start my honours year for my BSc IT at UJ & I've always had this idea of trying out a different country after I've finished with all my studying. Before I ask this though, I don't mean to be rude when I say I'm not looking for those answers of 'SA is the best' or 'theres no place like here'. Cause whether it is or not is irrevelent to this post :p

So my question is more towards how difficult is it to go from graduating to trying to move to another country on your own?

I feel it's better I think about all this before I get to a point in my life where I am starting with a family or something. I'm also thinking about it now because if I were to decide to try move to say the USA, I would need to obviously have money set aside and think about all the things like what state I'd be looking to go to, work visa etc..

So thoughts anyone? Maybe someone whose gone through this whole process already?

Thanks in advance
S1ght :)

Dono about the USA tbh :o

But get yourself a Working Holiday visa to the UK, you will have freedom to travel just about through all the EU countries with that. You will have 2 years to find yourself a job in your field of study and then you can take it from there. My sister in-law went on a working Holiday, se has a Bcom in Business management and Marketing. Got a very good job while on her working holiday. After 2 years she returned home as per her visa and the company she works for then did the whole application for her work permit and what not. She spent 40 days in SA after her return and she has now been in the UK for 4 years total.

Guess that is prob the easiest way to do it I think. Just remember you will have restrictions on your Working Holiday visa, so make sure you hunt correctly when looking for a Job. Alternatively, if you have enough cash stored go on a Holiday Visa for 6 months and go job hunting.

As for Ierland you just fly there, go to the offices and apply for a working permit. Since you are skilled you should get it pretty easy.
Google is your friend on this, not sure if it's the same still.
 
Well based on my dads experience with getting work in foreign countries I would recommend you supplement your skills with a CODE 14 with PDP.

One of the things many people do not realise is that the easily available jobs in other countries are the ones nobody wants to do. My Dad (in his 60s) has worked in both Ireland & USA with no problems of getting work & his work visa. On his first application for the states, he had to work as a farm hand for 6mths in the States. Got his VISA & work permit sorted out in 10days. He had very little money when he went over and that was not a problem.

So look at beyond your degree when getting into the country.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate it :)

Guess that is prob the easiest way to do it I think. Just remember you will have restrictions on your Working Holiday visa, so make sure you hunt correctly when looking for a Job. Alternatively, if you have enough cash stored go on a Holiday Visa for 6 months and go job hunting.

This is what I was aiming for at the moment and the reason I just spent my holidays doing vac work as a junior developer, well that and I thought I should get some experience :p But my main idea was to go for a short holiday there, maybe with some friends and spend that time going around the different states to find out if I'd first even like to live there :)

Does it take long to apply for a working visa? Is it something I should apply for now or rather wait till a few months before I want to go?
 
Tier 1 General Migrant is now closed until further notice (this replaced the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme).
Tier 2 Skilled Worker is an option, but you need an offer of employment and must get enough points.
Tier 5 Youth Mobility (aka working holiday) is not available to South Africans because the government has not signed onto the scheme (only a few countries have).
 
I have been in the UK for 2 1/2 years. I didnt plan on staying longer than 3 or 4 years, but having lived here and SA, there is no way I will go back to SA by choice.

You can still enter the UK on a Highly Skilled visa. I think they call it Tier 1 now. The only problem is that there are annual caps now. The usually reach their cap within 6 months. The Tier 1 visa and the ancestral visa are the only visa's which you can enter without first having job and be legally able to work. Depending on how the economy improves in the next 2 or 3 years, the cap will be relaxed or scrapped.

We have been in the UK for 7 months now and are not looking back one bit...
 
Last edited:
Having lived in the US and UK for over 7 + years, doing IT, I can tell you that you learn way much more here than you do over there. I worked in central London and Wall Street in NY and the jobs they have over there are NOTHING compared to the experience you get in SA. When I came back, mostly because of the awful weather, I really thought I was it, damn I was wrong. But rather go over, meet new people, have fun and then most likely you will realize what an awesome life we have over here.

I am sure this may have been your experience, but I completely disagree with this generalization. I work as a software engineer / quant, and have found the caliber of software engineering / quant work as well as general IT to be much higher in both the UK and USA (especially) than in SA. I expect that the reason for this disparity is that the quality of the IT and Engineering staff is far more closely tied with the culture of the particular company and even sub-division of the company (for large companies), than it is to the country it resides in. So to the OP: Choose your employers carefully, since YMMV.

To the OP on the topic of "should I stay or should I go": I strongly suggest going overseas as soon as possible. Here's why:

If you wait for a 5/10/20/etc. year time frame, you will be going overseas, likely to a more junior job, because of your relatively low (by 1st world international standards at least) SA salary, and with far less cash in your pocket. You will then have to live in a country that is very expensive, and experience a sharp decrease in your standard of living (which may eventually be amortized, but it will still be hard).

If you go soon, you will likely either hate it or love it. If you love it, you will stay, and you would have made the right decision. If you hate it, you will come back to SA, but hopefully with a lot more savings, a higher salary to negotiate at more senior role with in SA, and a bunch of new experiences.

I am currently in the USA (nearly 10 years now), and have worked in South Africa, and both Silicon Valley and Wall Street (US and UK offices). I went the work route, and got a job offer, visa, green card, etc. It's was a long process, but worth it.

AFAIK, almost all 4 year BSc degrees (4 year, or 3+hons) are recognized in the US and UK, same with MSc and PhD degrees. There are organizations that publish official education equivalence documents, which are used as justification for hire during your visa application process - when you are accepted by an overseas company, they will use an immigration attorney to get all the documents together for the application. Usually, right at the beginning, either an experienced HR person at the company or the immigration attorney, will know offhand if there are issues with your qualifications. I have never heard of this being an issue with a university degree (I have heard of on issue with a B.Tech degree, although even that eventually did get through successfully - there were a lot questions along the lines of: what is a "B.Tech"? If it's the same level as a BSc, then why is it called something different? If it's more practical then a BSc, then why is it a degree and not a diploma? etc.). The US also tends to treat 3 years of experience as 1 year of study, so if you have a 3 year degree and 3+ years of experience you will be eligible, also if you have no degree and have 12+years experience, you will be eligible for a work visa. The biggest obstacle after receiving a job offer is usually immigration quotas. Your chances are still good, but would be much higher with an MSc or higher degree.
 
Last edited:
I am sure this may have been your experience, but I completely disagree with this generalization.

I've heard many people say the same thing as him. They have division of labour down to a tee and you get compartmentalised to a certain specific function whereas here your scope is a lot wider. It's not the first time I've heard this and people also find work boring over there because of this.
 
I've heard many people say the same thing as him. They have division of labour down to a tee and you get compartmentalised to a certain specific function whereas here your scope is a lot wider. It's not the first time I've heard this and people also find work boring over there because of this.

That is a usual big company vs. small company criticism, and/or a junior vs. senior role criticisim - I really don't see this as being country dependent, except for the fact that the US and UK have more big companies (they also have more small companies).

That said, my personal experience at one vey large (~7k technical/engineering employees) company, was that I was very much encouraged (in fact, it is even a promotion check point) to work cross-organization and widen my scope. Obviously, at a larger company you can't get your fingers in all the pies, but there are often entirely new types of pastries - such as various flavours of large data problems and computational and organizational scalability, which I personally find very interesting. (Hmm... feeling hungry now for some reason...).

I personally prefer a smaller company (and currently work at one (under 500 employees) ), but I found my large company experience mostly enjoyable and extremely valuable (especially now, working at a rapidly growing smaller company). Generalized statements like "the jobs they have over there are NOTHING compared to the experience you get in SA." have definitely crossed to the wrong side of the line of complete bollocks.
 
Last edited:
I've heard many people say the same thing as him. They have division of labour down to a tee and you get compartmentalised to a certain specific function whereas here your scope is a lot wider. It's not the first time I've heard this and people also find work boring over there because of this.

Not always true. Job I had in London, they rotate you off one role and on to another. Some people change roles after 6 months. They encouraged it. Usually people moved to a new role after 12 months. I worked there for 2 years. Even in 1 role, you would find yourself helping out in different areas.

My current job, we rotate people between project work and maintenance work. Definatly not campartmentalised.

In SA, as the database developer, I had almost zero exposure to Unix, despite the database being hosted on Unix.

In the UK, I have become very comfortable using Unix. We are also expected to maintain and develop unix shell scripts.

I have used learnt to use SOAP.

I learnt b2b in the UK. I also learnt a lot about Siebel.

I also saw how large companies operate and leverage their presence around the world to deliver a single project. They have people on the same project in different time zones rotating and handing off work to each other.

In SA I was restricted to Oracle Forms, SQL*Plus and TOAD and Windows.

The experience I have recieved in the UK is not possible in a small market like SA. Unless ofc, you work for a fish and chip shop. I expect that can be pretty mundane. :)
 
Warning about the advice on visas in this thread. Those posts are very old.

A lot has changed. I don't think there is such a thing as a working holiday visa.

You will get the crappest of jobs as an illegal if go over on holiday visa. You might get your 5 minutes if fame starring in a reality show about UK Border cops busting illegals. Lol. Some of the excuses are hilarious.
 
Warning about the advice on visas in this thread. Those posts are very old.

A lot has changed. I don't think there is such a thing as a working holiday visa.

You will get the crappest of jobs as an illegal if go over on holiday visa. You might get your 5 minutes if fame starring in a reality show about UK Border cops busting illegals. Lol. Some of the excuses are hilarious.

What is life in Kent like zippy? Tell us more ?
 
Warning about the advice on visas in this thread. Those posts are very old.

A lot has changed. I don't think there is such a thing as a working holiday visa.

You will get the crappest of jobs as an illegal if go over on holiday visa. You might get your 5 minutes if fame starring in a reality show about UK Border cops busting illegals. Lol. Some of the excuses are hilarious.

Yeah, this post is a bit of a necro, and the UK just made massive changes to their entry requirements since. Tier 1's now appear to just be for rock/movie stars, and Tier 2 seems to be very similar to the H1B (US specialist work visa). At least the UK has made cap exemptions fo PhDs and people who earn over 150k pounds/year. The US makes it easier for MSc and PhD grads by virtue of alternate caps but still can conceivably turn these guys away with "sorry, we're full - try again next year or go to another country."
 
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X